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Flexible Optic Fiber Promises Cheaper Last Mile

bn0p writes "Ars Technica has an article on a Korean company that has developed a low-cost, flexible, plastic optical fiber that could bring cheaper 2.5 Gbps connections to homes and apartments. While not as fast as glass fiber, it is significantly faster than copper. In related news, Corning recently announced a flexible glass fiber that can be bent repeatedly without losing signal strength. The Corning fiber incorporates nanostructures in the cladding of the fiber that act as 'light guardrails' to keep the light in the fiber. The glass fiber could be as much as four times faster than plastic fiber. Neither fiber is available commercially yet, but both should help with the last mile problem when they are deployed."

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  1. Cabling expense by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Physical cabling, of any sort, is cheap if you're already digging trenches etc.

    If you don't have other reasons to dig trenches etc, then wireless is typically far cheaper because the installation costs are zero.

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    1. Re:Cabling expense by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Physical cabling, of any sort, is cheap if you're already digging trenches etc.

      This explains why Europe is so far ahead of the U.S. in terms of broadband penetration.

    2. Re:Cabling expense by calebt3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But it is less reliable. And the highest speeds offered by Clearwire in my area is the lowest speed offered by Comcast.

    3. Re:Cabling expense by nmg196 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > wireless is typically far cheaper because the installation costs are zero.

      Err, no. Wireless is very expensive to install. Even more expensive perhaps than mobile phone networks (mainly because you need 50-100 times more access points than you need for mobile phones (due to the very low transmission powers the standard permits).

      Why do you think that there are almost no cities with city-wide wireless access, years after the technology became prevalent? Most people have problems getting WiFi working in their house - let alone trying to get it to work for a whole town without all the channels massively overlapping. Municipal WiFi won't take off until the standard (perhaps a NEW standard) allows higher transmission powers and a larger frequency band for extra channels.

    4. Re:Cabling expense by Ephemeriis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      wireless is typically far cheaper because the installation costs are zero.
      Sure, in theory, it's cheaper because you don't have to sling cables/dig trenches/whatever... But in practice I've found it usually costs just as much as a wired installation, if not more.

      Wireless if fickle. You'll have a great connection in one room and then it'll go to hell in the next. You'll be fine with five users connected and then it'll go to hell when a sixth connects. The weather affects signal strength, as do human bodies, and furniture, and anything else that gets between you and the AP. It's hard to deliver consistent wireless connectivity.

      With a wired network you can install a single switch and run cables out to fairly distant locations... With wireless, you need an AP within reach of each device connecting... And then you've still got to get the APs connected back to your router - typically with a wire.
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  2. Two decades too late by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Flexible fiber optic may be a great solution for our broadband needs, but their true calling is now twenty years passed.

  3. Actually, by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The plastic one would be great in the last 100 feet (33 meters). It would be nice to run fiber through the home, as well as a cat 5. The cat 5 can carry power (POE). But if that plastic can carry 2.5G AND is easy AND cheap to install, it will quickly make waves in the housing industry.

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    1. Re:Actually, by hjf · · Score: 5, Informative

      CAT6a and CAT7 can work up to 10G, provided you use appropriate connectors such as Siemon's TERA, which can also be used for carrying telephone and CATV over the same wire. If you need the full 10G, you use 4 pairs. If you don't need 10G, you can use less pairs and the rest for other things (i.e: your PVR could use CATV, POTS, and still have 5Gbps for data). I know, I know, when 10G is commonplace, maybe we won't have CATV and POTS anyway.

    2. Re:Actually, by Firethorn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd rather just run a couple copper wires with the fiber if you want a combined power/information source. PoE is something of a hack. You'd be able to push more power with a couple of dedicated wires, for lower cost - simpler construction because you only need a couple wires even if you increase the gauge, don't need to twist them, etc...

      As for the other poster, I've seen those connectors - complex and expensive looking even(especially?) compared with fiber connectors. After a certain point fiber IS cheaper than copper.

      Though to be honest, wiring new houses with cat6 today would be cheap, you could have a little switching center in a closet somewhere to decide which ones are phone lines and which ones are data lines. Stick the networking hardware in there as well. Running it through conduit would increase cost, but allow relatively inexpensive upgrades(like if fiber to the desktop becomes common enough to be in houses).

      Still, I'd estimate that cat6 won't be unusably obsolete to the desktop for ~15 years. Gigabit ethernet is fast enough to stream at least a compressed HDTV stream. Of course, you'd technically be able to run HDTV over a 10mbit connection by my calcs at least.

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  4. no they won't by EjectButton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not in the United States anyway, our "last mile problem" has a lot more to do with entrenched telecom and cable companies with regional monopolies than any sort of fiber bendiness.

    1. Re:no they won't by calebt3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Those monopolies only exist because they have the government's blessing. You can bet that they will be broken up shortly if the legislators find out that they could be getting their pr0n faster. Unless maybe those monopolies give enough bribe money that the legislator can pay for a 2.5Gb connection without thinking twice.

  5. Last mile = Apartment Buildings by imstanny · · Score: 4, Informative

    Flexible fiber optics would do wonders for apartment buildings and its residents. With cable going digital in 2009, this would be very important. BTW - check out the back of your plates - it may be made by Corning as well (mine is).

    1. Re:Last mile = Apartment Buildings by calebt3 · · Score: 2, Funny

      This could be a good incentive for a us to finally get out of our parent's basements and into apartments of our own.

    2. Re:Last mile = Apartment Buildings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Besides, fiber requires a transmitter for every line - it's a star topology by default, not a bus like coax can be. That increases expense.

      I don't think that's right. You can use passive splitters to connect multiple devices to the same fiber line. Verizon does this for their FiOS service: it's how they connect 32 houses on a single fiber line.

      Here be a wiki on the subject:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_optical_network

  6. Will this matter? by tsotha · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think the cost of the actual cable will change the equation very much. I've been out of it for more than ten years, but even then you could get fiber for less than $1/foot - I assume it's even cheaper now. I have to believe most of the cost lies in planning, getting permits, and digging trenches.

  7. cheaper 2.5 Gbps connections by seanadams.com · · Score: 2, Funny

    cheaper than the one I have now? sweet!

  8. Invest for the long-term by r_jensen11 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What I don't get is why we seemingly refuse to invest for the long-term in the United States. Sure, some companies do, generally the smarter ones. But when it comes to public infrastructure, politicians haven't found a way to inform the public that by spending 2x as much now, we're saving 20x as much over the next n years.

    I know that technology evolves at a rapid rate, but if we invest more money now and use the same amount of energy* now (compared to doing investing less money and the same amount of energy), then we can use the energy that's left over from not having to double our efforts next year for other causes.

    *energy here is refering to human capital.

    1. Re:Invest for the long-term by Shajenko42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What I don't get is why we seemingly refuse to invest for the long-term in the United States. Sure, some companies do, generally the smarter ones. But when it comes to public infrastructure, politicians haven't found a way to inform the public that by spending 2x as much now, we're saving 20x as much over the next n years.
      Perhaps because we don't believe them?

      It's easy to SAY that you'll save a lot in the future, and then not deliver. Most likely the particular politician that claimed that will have moved on by then, or the blame will be watered down across, for instance, the entire Senate.
    2. Re:Invest for the long-term by rmerry72 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...politicians haven't found a way to inform the public that by spending 2x as much now, we're saving 20x as much over the next n years.

      Politicians, business leaders - hell most people - don't believe/see/understand/care (pick one) that a stitch in time really works. If they can't see immediate bang for buck then they won't support it. That's the way our world is now and has been for a while. Instant gratification. Apollo program got cut because of the same attitude, lack of spending in helath/roads/telecom, AT&T's video phone never took off (WTF?), even quadraphonic failed;

      All because people just can't see past the day after tomorrow. If the effects won't be seen till next week, or next month, then wait till then to do something about it. Politicians really do implement the will of the people sometimes.

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    3. Re:Invest for the long-term by ThousandStars · · Score: 2, Interesting
      In many ways we do invest for the long term. POTS has been around for about a century. For another example, my parents' house was built in 1996 or something like that, and they have an option for something like six phone lines if they so choose. Except they now use cell phones and have zero phone lines -- oops! All the money spent on those extra copper lines doesn't matter, but I know they'd use fiber optic lines if the builder had had the foresight to include them.

      Fast forward to today. As I stated in an earlier post, there's a real danger that technology might solve the last mile problem through wireless. We might not, and if Verizon offered FIOS to my apartment I'd certainly take it over Clearwire, but telecom companies can't be eager to take the very real risk that in 10 years consumers will all be using laptops and iPhones connecting via whatever the successor to EVDO is/will be.

    4. Re:Invest for the long-term by Belial6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unfortunately, fiber would be just as bad of a long term decision. How about conduit. If instead of just allowing builders to lay wire, they should run conduit under the roads, and right up to the house, and that the conduit is owned by the city/county. The city/county could then rent the last mile to anyone that wants to offer data services. We could actually have competition in the telecom and cable tv industry. If this were done in new construction or during times when major reconstruction is already in progress, the cost would be dramatically less than than trying to do this in established neighborhoods. I would bet that once people started seeing the benefits, you would see demand for retrofitting older neighborhoods with conduit. This would also turn the last mile into an on going revenue source for the cities/counties.

    5. Re:Invest for the long-term by Squalish · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You can also see the other end of this.

      • Given that there are temporary measures an officeholder can take to push back major forseeable crises.
      • Given that these measures improve the immediate situation and deepen the intensity and inevitability of said crisis
      • Given that we have elected an officeholder who's not motivated by pure benevolence towards his constituents, and is self-interested in immediate popularity/power.
      • And given that this officeholder is term limited.


      What motivation does this officeholder have not to set everything up so that it comes crashing down six months after he's out of office? This is in regards to budget problems, and wider than that, fiscal, monetary, and trade problems. Is it possible to avoid an officeholder using the quick (eventually disasterous) fixes available to him?

      Bush/Greenspan's ticking timebomb appears to have sparked early, and we've crested the top of the hill - the dollar is accelerating downwards of its own accord now. Where will it stop, nobody knows.
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    6. Re:Invest for the long-term by Belial6 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here in the US they don't do conduit at all. The reason they don't is because it is cheaper cheaper to just run the cables, and the only way you will get developers to spend an extra dime is if it mandated by the city/county. While it sounds like NZ has the problem half solved, allowing the company to own the conduit is only slightly better in practice than letting them bury their cables directly. (By the way, when we are saying conduit, we are not talking about a protective sheathing, but are talking about a large tube that new cable can be pulled through.)

  9. Fiber faster than copper? Ummm....no by cafucu · · Score: 2, Informative

    While not as fast as glass fiber, it is significantly faster than copper. Not quite, since speed =/= bandwidth. Fiber can provide more bandwidth than copper because lasers can light fiber up and turn it off quickly without a problem, whereas electrical charges on a conductor tend to hang around for a bit. But the actual delay from source to destination is faster on copper. Again, speed =/= bandwidth.
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  10. Wrong summary by ihavnoid · · Score: 5, Informative

    The research group is mentioned to be in "Korea Institute of Science and Technology", which is better known as KIST here in Korea, isn't a company. It is a government research agency.

  11. Last mile... by Usquebaugh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My understanding is that the last mile problem is all to do with the cost of laying wire not the cost of the wire itself. Also, if everybody has gigabit connections the cable provider is going to have to invest in some very serious switching and upstream connections. In short fixing the last mile will probably only expose problems up stream.

    I keep wondering about god playing dice and quantum entanglement. Currently, the labs are stuck at a few miles. But if they can up the range and speed would this not be a better solution. A cable of infinite length that is also secure that you can give to any ISP. ISP would be an open market and speeds would go up as costs went down. No need for cable/wireless so zero installation costs.

    So is QE going to happen or is it just my poor grasp of the subject matter?

    1. Re:Last mile... by jrcamp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In short fixing the last mile will probably only expose problems up stream.

      How do you think progress is made? At any given point in time there will be one bottleneck in a system. Things progress by removing the bottlenecks one by one. You fix the slowest part and then move on to the next slowest part. Over time, the system as a whole evolves to become faster as its parts do.

      If it exposes problems upstream then great! It means we have removed a bottleneck and the next worst one will be fixed. Otherwise companies will just say "well there's no demand from consumers so we don't need to improve our infrastructure."

  12. TFA misses the point by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not the cable itself that's expensive, it's laying it.

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  13. Wow! by SailorSpork · · Score: 2, Funny

    You mean I can get internet porn even faster with these plastic rope thingys? Sign me up!

  14. Better idea by ILuvRamen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What's wrong with copper? I'd freakin love even 100 MBPS at my house! That's like a minute and a half for a good quality DVD movie instead of hours. And copper can do gigabit so geeze. They just need more of it and better network switches and routers instead of cheaping out and giving crap service to everyone to save a buck

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    1. Re:Better idea by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Fiber propogates much longer distances and easier. Your 10/100 ethernet is only up to (IIRC) 100 meters. The same goes to gigabit, but that's even touchier.

    2. Re:Better idea by felix9x · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thats why when Verison gets over to your house and wires it up with fiber your cable company is not only going to drop your rates but also triple your download and upload.

  15. If the last mile matters by ThousandStars · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's a reasonable chance wireless will eventually solve many of the last mile problems; I recently cancelled Millennium Cable in Seattle for ClearWire instead. Right now it isn't available everywhere and the service isn't particularly fast by fiber standards, as its 1.5 down /756 (I think) up. But if the technology improves faster than fiber can be rolled out we might not care by the time 2011 rolls around.

  16. Peopel always missunderstand quantum... by BlueParrot · · Score: 2, Informative

    Using quantum interactions to transmit information also requires you to transmit a signal the old fashion way. This is essentially what prevents you from exceeding the speed of light. You would also need a way to distribute the entangled particles ( each pair can be used only once ). The advantage of quantum entanglement is completely down to its ability to transfer quantum states ( no set of classical information can completely describe a quantum mechanical system ) and it's security against eavesdropping and brute force attacks

    Now, contrary to popular belief a man in the middle attack is still possible. That you are exchanging pairs of entangled particles rather than exchanging large integers doesn't matter. You still have to be careful about who you accept keys ( or particles ) from.

  17. This isn't news at all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The article writers and poster have no idea what they are talking about. Unfortunately most of us fiber scientists & engineers got laid off during the tech crash.

    Plastic fiber has been around for decades. It is cheap. The problem with plastic fiber is that your signal won't go as far as with a glass fiber. However, for "last-mile" use, you don't need to worry about signal loss since you aren't going very far. The big cost in "last-mile" is digging up the ground and putting in the cable/conduit/fiber. The cost of the fiber is negligible compared to getting right-of-way and the cost of labor.

    The cost of the fiber is so low, that normally when you dig up the ground to put in fiber, you put in lots & lots of fiber (since it is so cheap), just in case you need it in the future. This is called dark fiber, and there are millions of miles of dark fiber all over North America (from the tech boom) that used to belong to dotcom upstarts & their venture capitalists.

    And as for bending fiber, you can always bend fiber. When you make very thin glass or plastic fibers for optical purposes, they are flexible. Has everything been running in straight lines?! Idiots.

    Now, there is minimum bend radius for fiber, and if you bend your fiber beyond that, then you start to get some loss. Normally this isn't a problem, and you can't bend the fiber that far anyway - fiber has a cladding & outer sheath (which varies depending on the application indoor/buried/underwater), which limits the amount of bend, preventing bend loss.

  18. Re:Installation cost by memrob · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think you're correct - cable itself isn't the greatest expense - even the custom ends on the cables are fairly cheap, though more expensive than with copper as they are a bit finicky. But the installation is the expensive part. Civil utilities are installed in new subdivisions by government contractors by the local city or county in most places, but television cable and phone lines? I'm not so sure who foots the bill for that infrastructure. This doesn't even mention that installing new fiber in already existing subdivisions of single family homes has got to be expen$ive for sure. Telco and cable monopolies have little incentive to upgrade existing infrastructure in the last mile until current infrastructure has inadequate bandwidth for content. They're already running into some bandwidth contention during peak hours, which is why they are increasingly using throttling techniques and traffic shaping (like the forged RTS packets my own provider, Comcast, has recently gained so much noteriety for). That has turned out to be problematic for public relations and will rapidly provide diminishing returns, but I don't expect cable providers and telcos to do much until they absolutely are forced to do so. Adding customers adds to monthly cashflow; redeploying infrastructure doesn't. I suggest an actuarial decision will drive the deployment: When paid HD content outgrows the existing pipe in the last mile, the providers will build the infrastructure they need to reap those new revenues. So I expect content, not Internet traffic, will be the driver for the deployment.