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Facebook Retreats on Online Tracking

Nrbelex writes "Facebook is reining in some aspects of a controversial new advertising program, after users became extremely upset and threatened various 'protests' over possible privacy infringement issues. 'Late yesterday the company made an important change, saying that it would not send messages about users' Internet activities without getting explicit approval each time ... Facebook executives say the people who are complaining are a marginal minority. With time, Facebook says, users will accept Beacon, which Facebook views as an extension of the type of book and movie recommendations that members routinely volunteer on their profile pages.'"

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  1. Re:Good! by Y-Crate · · Score: 4, Informative

    But too late for me...I already deleted my Facebook profile when they launched this abominable feature. You merely deactivated it. It's still there, all the data has been retained. You could go back and reactivate it tomorrow and find yourself staring at the same profile you had before you "deleted" it.
  2. translation... by mosch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Facebook Executives wrote: Facebook executives say the people who are complaining are a marginal minority. With time, Facebook says, users will accept Beacon, which Facebook views as an extension of the type of book and movie recommendations that members routinely volunteer on their profile pages.

    What they meant: "We're turning it off for now, but we're going to slowly and deliberately swing it back to an on by default system."

    As far as the claim that the complainants are a "marginal minority", I think that it's only a "marginal minority" of Facebook users that even knew the system existed, and probably a smaller minority that had any personal experience with it.

  3. Sssshhh. Facebook will track your /. post. by frinkacheese · · Score: 5, Funny


    And then they will tell there Amazon partiners and next time you check you're email you'll will get a recommendation about a book all about using the correct grammar for writing Englishings.

    Next thing, you'll get phone calls offering you fasterinternetserviceprovidings ...

  4. PR Babble to English Translation by Coopjust · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "With time, Facebook says, users will accept Beacon, which Facebook views as an extension of the type of book and movie recommendations that members routinely volunteer on their profile pages."

    Translation: We're not sorry, and in a week we think that everyone will have forgotten about the privacy issues, just like the news feed.

    I'm seriously considering closing my Facebook. Free service hemorraging privacy by the day = Mistake. Facebook is definitely past its prime.

    Another poster (when the Beacon article was on Slashdot previously) said that the facebook belief was that "it's better to ask forgiveness than permission". Definitely the case here...

  5. Let's all say goodbye to Facebook by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Facebook requires the good graces of its users to make money by selling the attention span of those users to advertisers. So what does Facebook do? Simple, piss off those very users it needs to make money.

    Facebook says it is a vocal minority who are complaining. Perhaps it is the same minority who make up a majority of the page hits that the advertisers pay for?

    Facebook is no smarter than the record companies. You do not anger the constituents of your revenue stream.

    1. Re:Let's all say goodbye to Facebook by JonC88 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Facebook requires the good graces of its users to make money by selling the attention span of those users to advertisers. So what does Facebook do? Simple, piss off those very users it needs to make money.

      Facebook, unfortunately, appears to have been extremely calculated and crafty in its decisions to roll out new features, each time building upon the level of addiction that its existing users have already reached and the larger social "necessity" of being on Facebook, especially among college and high school kids.

      By the time they allowed high school students (and later anyone) to join, Facebook was already fairly established with students, who already had enough "invested" in their accounts and knew that their real friends were in the same situation. The introduction of news feed may have angered those with concerns about privacy, but certainly not enough to make a significant number of users angry enough to leave. For those that did stay, News Feed reinforces the necessity of being on Facebook, because once you do have access to that kind of information about your friends, it's hard to turn it down.

      This Beacon situation feels very much like News Feed, except that the impact on solidifying Facebook "addiction" will be less marked. Facebook and its features just become too important to most users (in college, not having an account can get you some very strange looks), and Zuckerberg et al. will continue to use that to their advantage in building their revenue stream.

  6. Re:Is there really much Slashdot/Facebook overlap? by tehcyder · · Score: 3, Funny

    "what's your favorite desktop background image?"
    That Britney upskirt shot, although you do get some odd looks at work...
    --
    To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  7. One of the issues by wiredog · · Score: 4, Informative
    As described in The Washington Post:

    Sean Lane's purchase was supposed to be a surprise for his wife. Then it appeared as a news headline -- "Sean Lane bought 14k White Gold 1/5 ct Diamond Eternity Flower Ring from overstock.com" -- last week on the social networking Web site Facebook.

    Without Lane's knowledge, the headline was visible to everyone in his online network, including 500 classmates from Columbia University and 220 other friends, co-workers and acquaintances.

    And his wife.



    Further down, the reason Facebook changed the policy:

    Lane complained to Overstock. Company spokesman Judd Bagley said this week that on Nov. 21, Overstock abandoned its Beacon feature until Facebook changes its practice so that users must volunteer if they want to participate.


    Hard to be an ad-supported site if the advertisers won't advertise...

  8. Re:Result don't buy stuff advertised on facebook by Bieeanda · · Score: 3, Informative
    No, that's the problem. The Beacon system lets retailers interact with your Facebook cookies. They get your Facebook ID, insert what you've bought into a new cookie, and Beacon happily makes your purchase into an ad. Worse, the opt-out functionality is on a case-by-case basis, and you have to opt out after the fact because there's no way to turn it off before-hand (beyond proxying Beacon out).

    This isn't a matter of simply not clicking on banner ads or affiliate links. This is collaboration to track your on-line movements and make banner ads out of them.

  9. Re:Good! by Otter+Escaping+North · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the number of people annoyed were so marginal, why didFacebook react so quickly?

    A guess based on what I heard; because the vocal minority scared the partners more than it scared Facebook. The main shopping drive right now is Christmas; making this the absolute worst time to introduce a tool that publishes your shopping habits to your family and friends. Retailers get that, even if thick-headed social networking bosses don't.

    If a couple of retailers get grumpy - or even just one of sufficient size (ie. Amazon), then Facebook would definitely want to tone it down, and try again in the new year.

    This is all about business, kids.

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    Running Windows^H^H^H^H^H^H^H OSX and Linux in the home. (I don't have time for Solitaire any more.)
  10. Re:Good! by goldaryn · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the T&Cs: "By posting User Content to any part of the Site, you automatically grant, and you represent and warrant that you have the right to grant, to the Company an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense) to use, copy, publicly perform, publicly display, reformat, translate, excerpt (in whole or in part) and distribute such User Content for any purpose, commercial, advertising, or otherwise, on or in connection with the Site or the promotion thereof, to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into other works, such User Content, and to grant and authorize sublicenses of the foregoing. You may remove your User Content from the Site at any time. If you choose to remove your User Content, the license granted above will automatically expire, however you acknowledge that the Company may retain archived copies of your User Content." http://www.facebook.com/terms.php

  11. Re:Is there really much Slashdot/Facebook overlap? by DorkRawk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It always amuses me when people dismiss social networking sites by saying, "If I want a presence on the internet, I'll use a site that I built myself". Using a personal site/blog to keep in touch with people only works if all your friends read/write blogs and check their friends personal sites regularly.

    To quote one of my roommates, "Blogs? Aren't those something high school kids do?".

    But she checks Facebook several times a day. If you want to stay in touch with people you have to use the medium that the people you want to stay in touch with use. Sure there's a pretty bad signal/noise ratio on all of these social networking sites. Not wanting to use a (non special interest based) social networking platform because too many people use it, seems a little self defeating.

    Also, the OP has obviously not been in college in the past 5 years. They practically give you a Facebook account with your student ID these days.