Slashdot Mirror


SixApart Sells LiveJournal to Russian Media Company

molrak writes "SixApart tonight announced the sale of journal/blogging service Livejournal to Russia-based SUP. Original LJ founder Brad Fitzpatrick has chimed in on the situation: 'This is pretty cool because - They're ridiculously excited about LiveJournal, and have been for awhile (they previous purchased advertising rights in Russia, but ended up doing a bunch of Russia-specific LJ development as well). They want to throw a lot of resources at LiveJournal in terms of product development and engineers. "LiveJournal.com, Inc." now stands alone again, focusing on nothing but LJ. Sounds like I'll have more LJ influence (via new role as advisory board member) than I've had recently.'"

30 of 172 comments (clear)

  1. Im wondering... by renegadesx · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will that mean LiveJournal will write us from now on?

    --
    Make SELinux enforcing again!
    1. Re:Im wondering... by caffeinemessiah · · Score: 2, Interesting

      SOAB! LiveJournal has been a great source for academic researchers in NLP, social networks and data mining, mainly because they don't mind you crawling their site and users have public "friend lists", etc. I doubt if that culture is going to be retained with a Russian owner. I was at a conference earlier this year, and met a guy from SixApart. He was talking about some sort of open API for crawling multiple social networking sites, but I guess that's probably going to be history now.

      --
      An old-timer with old-timey ideas.
    2. Re:Im wondering... by fellip_nectar · · Score: 2, Funny

      In Soviet Russia: Funny the first few times, but now its like your old man telling the same joke he told you 20 years ago

      --
      Worst. Signature. Ever.
  2. Putinist Russia by Clay+Pigeon+-TPF-VS- · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does this mean that any anti-Putin blogging will be noted and passed on to the "proper" authorities?

    --
    Viral software licensing is not freedom, it is in fact GNU/Socialism.
    1. Re:Putinist Russia by seasleepy · · Score: 5, Informative

      You may be joking, but there appears to have been a considerable amount of concern about this when SUP first got involved with LJ -- Alexander Mamut, one of SUP's main investors (or possibly its owner -- I've seen both descriptions in articles), apparently has some ties to Putin. Brad had tried to assuage fears about it at the time, but I unfortunately don't really know how the situation stands on the Russian side after those initial reactions.

      As a longtime LJ user, I'm encouraged that Brad's still optimistic about SUP today, and I don't think Six Apart ever really knew exactly what to make of LJ, but I'm still having a hard time getting over a vaguely uneasy feeling about the whole thing.

    2. Re:Putinist Russia by fm6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Alexander Mamut, one of SUP's main investors (or possibly its owner -- I've seen both descriptions in articles), apparently has some ties to Putin
      Nowadays, there ane two kinds of Russian businessmen: those with ties to Putin, and those that are out of business. Basically, they're back to the state running the economy.
    3. Re:Putinist Russia by kot_ivanovich · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The current level of Access SUP (which is definitely a KGB-backed company, given the personalities involved) has to LJ already allows them to monitor and to report LJ activity. My guess is that this purchase is more of the order of psychological pressure: "Look, we can win the elections with any score we want, we can beat up and jail opposition activists and we also can buy the last independent media outlet in the country (because this is what LJ became in Russia). Got the hint?"

    4. Re:Putinist Russia by QuickFox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It'll still be more free than it would be here. Not at all. Not by a long shot.

      The US may have sunk into becoming a harsh Big-Brother nation that is effectively ruled by two wings of a single party, but Russia is run by their local mafia.

      In the US you still have lots of TV channels and papers and forums loudly critical of the reigning system, in Russia such voices are systematically silenced. In the US your government may be shamelessly lying to you about important matters like reasons for war and reasons for what they call anti-terror measures, but dissenting voices do get heard, even if they drown in the general noise. In Russia dissent is silenced for real.

      In Russia it is too late. In the US it is not too late. Not yet. There's still time for you people to do something, should you wish to do something about it.
      --
      Terrorists can't threaten a country's freedom and democracy. Only lawmakers and voters can do that.
    5. Re:Putinist Russia by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Informative

      It'll still be more free than it would be here.

      As a linguist studying minority languages of Russia, I do field work in places where the Putin-aligned local government has had no qualms sending goons to beat women and the elderly with pipes just for speaking or singing songs in the local indigenous language, and opposition figures still get sent to psychiatric hospitals whenever they dare to challenge the ruling party. When has that last happened in the US? Certainly there are some worrying developments in civil liberties, but people can breathe a lot more freely there than in Russia, which is truly one of the scariest places I've visited.

    6. Re:Putinist Russia by Ilgaz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Alexander Mamut, one of SUP's main investors (or possibly its owner -- I've seen both descriptions in articles), apparently has some ties to Putin
      Nowadays, there ane two kinds of Russian businessmen: those with ties to Putin, and those that are out of business. Basically, they're back to the state running the economy. Is there a single American business guy who is fundementally against George W. Bush and successful?

      Don't give Soros example since it is clear that he is playing some "bad cop" game serving interests of USA and CIA with his "open society" (!) thing.

      Is there a single high end business guy who will hang up the phone if president of USA calls? What would happen if he does?

      I am not defending Putin, I am just saying it is how the entire planet in this economic/political system works.
    7. Re:Putinist Russia by ubernostrum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It'll still be more free than it would be here.

      In the US, if you loudly criticize the government you won't be heard because a finely-tuned media machine will just shout louder. In Russia, if you loudly criticize the government you won't be heard because you'll disappear.

      In the US, the president belongs to an "old boys network" of guys who were in the same secret fraternity in their college days. In Russia, the president belongs to an "old boys network" of guys who were in the same secret police agency in the Soviet days.

      In the US, journalists who uncover serious government misconduct get yelled at by Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh. In Russia, journalists who uncover serious government misconduct get injected with lethal doses of radioactive material.

      Now. You were saying?

    8. Re:Putinist Russia by Inzite · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I can tell you've never been to Russia.

      I live there. It's cold.

      Yes, there are problems with the limited Russian media. However, your definition of Russia as a harsh Big-brother nation run by the local mafia is overly simple and in most cases just flat out wrong.

      The mafia don't run Russia any more. Russia is controlled and run by a few very rich corporations and individuals. The number of very rich corporations and individuals is growing on a daily basis.

      Dissenting voices do get heard. The problem is that most Russians don't care to listen. Most Russians don't give a shit about politics.

      Putin is doing wonders for the economy. Russia is one of the fastest developing countries on the planet, and will continue to grow that way for at least the next 5-10 years. The reason Russia is controlled by one party is because that one party is doing wonderful things for the average living standards of people across the country.

      In another 4-8 years, Putin's power in the Russian government will have declined, and Russia will start to move towards a true, multi-party system as all those wealthy companies and individuals step in to fill the ex-Putin void. However, in the mean time there's no reason for Russia to change, and the vast majority of Russians will be much better off if the status quo is maintained for a couple years longer.

      P.S. In Russia, Gary Kasparov is a joke. And 95% of what the New York Times writes about Russia is pure tripe.

    9. Re:Putinist Russia by Wdomburg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ever heard of Google? 98% of employee contributions are to Democrats, and Google's founder has been a frequent contributor to the Democratic party. I think they qualify as successful.

    10. Re:Putinist Russia by Inzite · · Score: 3, Interesting

      True, Russia's riches are largely attributable to hydrocarbons. Any administration in Russia would be getting rich off of oil right now. However, oil & gas are just a small part of the story, and they're what _made_ Russia rich, not what's keeping Russia rich (although they are making Russia _richer_).

      I'm a Putin fan because he's doing an incredible job of not wasting or misspending all those riches. The vast majority of Russia's petrodollars have gone into funding the federal budget and anything left over is invested into a massive Stabilization Fund. The government is actively promoting diversification of the economy and development of additional sectors, and most importantly, they're being VERY CONSERVATIVE with what they do with that money.

      The average Russian's salary is around USD 600 per month, and that's heavily skewed by the ungodly (by Russian standards) salaries seen in a few large cities like Moscow, St. Petersburg, Ekaterinburg, etc. A teacher, doctor, etc. in any provincial town is going to be making around USD 100 a month. Maybe a bit more, maybe less.

      And yet the government is sitting on top of a stabilization fund in excess of USD 150 bn. The kneejerk reaction would be to increase spending and raise the salaries of all those doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc. who get paid so little.

      And that's exactly the worst thing the government could do. An influx of cash like that would seriously hamper the country's economic development and drive inflation through the roof. Rather, the government is saving those assets for a rainy day (Russia has the third-largest international reserves in the world, behind China and Japan, and is a major creditor to its G8 peers, including the USA).

      The government is nurturing development of additional industries, including metals & mining (Russia's a huge steel producer, and China next door is a HUGE consumer), its utilities sector (China's also set to become a huge electricity consumer), agriculture, industrial, chemicals, technology, retail, etc. Corporate taxes are low. Personal taxes are almost nonexistent (13% flat tax across the board! Hell Yeah!!!)

      While at the moment the country is still threatened by Dutch Disease, as these other industries develop further, the chance that Russia's economy could be ruined by a downward spiral in oil prices will decrease. As it stands, the Russian budget will still be balanced even with oil at USD 40 per bbl (and it's currently just shy of USD 100 per bbl). In 2006, oil & gas represented just 6% of GDP, and the government hopes to have that number down to less than 4% by 2011.

      So where's all this growth coming from? It's largely domestic, and it's NOT A RESULT OF HIGH OIL PRICES. In 2006, the vast majority of Russia's GDP growth came from non-tradable services and goods for the domestic market. We're talking about telecommunications services (cell phones), transportation (airlines), banking, etc. etc. etc. And the most promising thing, is that the entirety of the non-raw-materials economy is only just now getting started. Moscow itself is really approaching the same level of living as any major metropolis (note I say approaching - there's a lot in Moscow that's in need of a major overhaul. The streets are dirty, water and electric utilities will take 30 years to overhaul, etc.). Yet one-third of Russia's GDP is produced in Moscow and Moscow region, which are home to ONLY ONE-TENTH of Russia's population.

      Personal incomes are rising quickly (18% per year), inflation is high but under control (9% in 2006, 11.5% in 2007), and the ruble is slowly but steadily appreciating (which is exactly what the government should try to do). In short, the economy is growing at a healthy rate, and business is developing on its own as fast as it can, but not because of some huge cash injection from the government that would be squandered.

      Russia's got its problems. There are far t

    11. Re:Putinist Russia by encoderer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Is there a single high end business guy who will hang up the phone if president of USA calls? What would happen if he does?"

      The answers are "Probably Not" and "Probably Nothing."

      But, more on point...

      I detest President Bush, but I would still take a call from the President of the United States if he were to call me. I mean, you wouldn't? And why not? Like it or not (and, in my case, it's NOT), Bush is the President. And I'm a patriot. And I'm not going to turn down any reasonable request made by our President.

      Furthermore, there are LOADS of successful Democratic businessmen. LOADS. Millions of them. You're being ignorant if you think that's not the case. An obvious example that I just read about this morning is Mark Warner, former governor of Virginia and a speculative Presidential Candidate. ...Before entering politics he made his billion$ running a little-known outfit called "Nextel"....

      Besides, as heavy-handed as the Bush Administration has been, this is nothing, NOTHING like what Putin has done in Russia. To say that it is, undermines the seriousness of what Putin has done to Russia.

  3. Hmmm by Zouden · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I predict that 50% of the comments here will be thinly-veiled racial attacks on Russia.
    The other 50% will be "in soviet russia" jokes, of course...

    --
    "A week in the lab saves an hour in the library"
    1. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I predict that 50% of the comments here will be thinly-veiled racial attacks on Russia.

      Criticizing Russia's government and corruption isn't a racial attack, unless you're criticizing the fact that they're White.
    2. Re:Hmmm by willyhill · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Please, define a "thinly veiled racial attack" for us, so we'll know when a joke about a country becomes a racist insult, in your opinion. For example, if I make a funny about how the Swiss eat lots of cheese, would that be construed as a racial attack on all Swiss?

      I'm trying to figure out how you'd devolve a discussion into "racial attacks" on a country like Russia on a web site where the vast majority of people are likely caucasian or European descent.

      Or maybe you meant something else, like nationalist flamebait and so on? Because that I can believe.

      BTW, I hear Putin won 99.99421% of the vote yesterday, give or take a few uncorruptible precincts. You guys must be very democratic... <grin> [*]

      .

      [*] I hope that wasn't racial...

      --
      The twitter monologues. Click on my homepage and be amazed.
    3. Re:Hmmm by marnek · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah it's called "caucasian". Note that the Caucasus mountains, the origin of the word, are IN Russia.

  4. Editorial Controls? by Bieeanda · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, um. What kind of a corporate culture are these guys bringing in? Given the readiness with which the Putin government has been putting the boots to dissension (particularly in terms of media), I have to worry (because I don't have all the information) that increasingly Draconian laws over there might spill over into how the LJ TOS is adjudicated in general.

    1. Re:Editorial Controls? by mattwarden · · Score: 3, Funny

      In 3 months, I predict that each livejournal member's cat will be pro-Putin.

  5. Filtering and Censorship by Macgrrl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What will be interesting to see is whether the filtering and censorship of LJ will be more or less stringent than it was previously.

    Earlier this year we had uproar due to fanfic heavy accounts being blocked and assorted accusations regarding slashfic being porn and potentially kiddie porn in the case of Harry Potter fic.

    I wonder if moving out of the US juristriction for the 'publisher' will affect the degree in which copyright violations are pursued.

    --
    Sara
    Designer, Gamer, Macgrrl in an XP World
  6. Big News! The Rest Of the World Has Money Now by TheNarrator · · Score: 4, Informative

    So I'm sure a lot of American Slashdotters are thinking: "What? A Russian Company buying an American Company? Where did they get the dough?"

    From : http://www.econstats.com/weo/V012.htm
    Share of World Economy %

    country 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006
    United States 21.68 21.34 21.13 20.97 20.85 20.71 20.57
    Russia 2.36 2.42 2.46 2.55 2.60 2.66 2.69
    Italy 3.22 3.20 3.12 3.01 2.91 2.84 2.79
    France 3.34 3.33 3.27 3.17 3.10 3.04 2.98
    Spain 1.81 1.82 1.81 1.78 1.75 1.72 1.70
    China 10.92 11.47 12.07 12.68 13.18 13.59 13.99
    India 5.45 5.54 5.65 5.83 5.91 6.05 6.17

    I wish this chart went back further to really accentuate how much has changed over the past 15 years. The point being... Slowly but surely the world economy is getting more evenly distributed around the globe.

  7. Re:First it was China... by rednip · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First it was China...now, it's Russia. Guys, the Russians are coming! These two countries are gobbling up our [American] companies fast!

    Welcome to the weak dollar. Newly rich former adversaries are buying into our economy, both Germany and Japan did the same thing in the 80's. Might be a good thing for our (American) economy, might be (another) problem, however fresh capital is rarely a bad thing.

    --
    The force that blew the Big Bang continues to accelerate.
  8. Prediction: no more censorship by tetromino · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you look at the backstory for the rise of SUP, the whole thing started when the abuse team tried to apply American standards to Russian bloggers. You see, the Russian internets culture is different. You post whatever you want to post. For example, if you feel that you want to personally execute every member of [insert group of people here], burn the corpses in a fire, and piss in the ashes, then you should definitely blog about it. Self-censorship is for wimps and politicians. A few years ago, American lj abuse members attempted to ban some Russian bloggers (for posting something about murdering NATO soldiers, iirc). The Russian blogosphere exploded in indignation, and the lj management decided that the only way to sort out what was going on with its Russian-speaking users was to offload them to a Russian company. Hence, SUP, which acquired the rights to the Russian-speaking part of lj last year - and now, has bought the whole service.

    If the behavior that SUP has found acceptable in its segment of lj is anything to go by, lj filtering and censorship may be set to disappear entirely.

  9. Re:doesn't SUP = KGB? by Zibblsnrt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In 2006, when SUP was put in charge of handling LJ's Russian userbase (which was defined, if I remember correctly, as "everyone in the former Soviet Union or anyone who blogged in Cyrillic at all"), there were howls of rage from the Russian community for that specific reason. "SUP = FSB" was a pretty common refrain in comments of the announcement.

    Considering a lot of Russian LJ users were on the site precisely because it was, if not completely out of Moscow's reach, at least more difficult to readily get at, I can understand why they'd be furious about that - and moreso about this.

    --
    "All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
  10. Pure Coincidence or Kremlin Shenanigan? by reporter · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The Russian election for the Duma concluded on December 2. During this process, Golos was instrumental in identifying voting irregularities that skewed the vote in favor of United Russia, the pro-Kremlin party. Golos is an independent organization that monitors elections and receives funding from the United States and the European Union.

    Golos and its supporters have been maintaining a blog page at LiveJournal. You can read either the actual blog page in Russian or the English translation of the blog page. It contained plenty of damning evidence showing that the Kremlin had manipulated the election.

    Then, after the election concluded, a Moscow-based company acquired LiveJournal. Is the timing merely coincidence or is the Kremlin somehow connected to this business deal?

  11. ZheZhe, Russian media rules by migstradamus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Came to this late, so not sure if anyone who actually knows anything about LiveJournal in Russia or the Russian media has posted above. LiveJournal IS blogging in Russia, almost literally. Its acronym ZheZhe, for ZhivoiZhurnal, is what blogs are called generically. It has also proven relatively influential in a country where the television and major print media are under strict Kremlin control. Not as in the old Pravda days of one message one source, but with set themes to promote (temnyki), blacklists, and a long list of unmentionable topics.

    Less than 20% of the Russian population is online, but outbreaks of support for otherwise ignored cases on LiveJournal have actually made it to mainstream prominence. Liberal groups (and others) have used it for organizing. All this was more than enough to set off the alarm bells of the Kremlin media masters. There have already been many cases of direct repression of bloggers and other web presences online (not just on ) using the broad extremism act. The Kremlin is wary of broader action because they don't want to make enemies of the active Russian internet community.

    That's not the Putin model anyway, while what just happened to LiveJournal is exactly that. The annoying and/or potentially useful media entity is acquired by someone with tight Kremlin connections. Disloyal staff are replaced. Slowly or quickly, negative content about Putin and his administration disappears. Discussion is allowed as long as it doesn't cross the invisible line. The Putin regime has raised this to an art form, studying how the authoritarian governments of Serbia, Georgia, and Ukraine were toppled (all with a similar blueprint) and taking preventative action. The internet wasn't really much of a factor in those cases but with the increased penetration these days the Kremlin isn't taking any chances. They won't care about blogs not in Russian. Intimidation and a chilling effect is the point. The best repression is the kind you don't have to back up.

    Despite its overwhelming control, the Putin power structure is brittle and they have to figure out how to transition this power monopoly come the March 2, 2008 presidential elections. It's no coincidence that this move "against" LiveJournal comes now. It was a potential loose end that can now be bullied, or snipped off if necessary. Notices go out to all publishers/editors/reporters/users telling them they must comply with all laws, including the extremely vague act against extremism the regime uses to confiscate materials and harass critics across the country.

    The internet in Russia is in a precarious state. If it were more widespread and more heavily used as alternative media it would attract the Kremlin attention it has largely escaped so far. Other than the DDOS attacks opposition sites are hit by on a regular basis. (A la the Estonian sites during their diplomatic row with Russia. Our Russian sites kasparov.ru and namarsh.ru get hammered regularly.)

    The optimists and Putin apologists inside and outside of Russia have been proven wrong again and again. Of course he won't... and he does. He doesn't care how something looks to the West as long as it doesn't affect his bottom line and the grasp on power. They have a huge amount of money at stake, the only thing he and his gang really care about. LiveJournal is just another piece in the game.

    Saludos, Mig Greengard

    Editor, http://theotherrussia.org/

    1. Re:ZheZhe, Russian media rules by tetromino · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If (when?) SUP starts actively censoring livejournal (thus far, its moves have been restricted to wordfiltering dpni), all the interesting people will simply migrate to any one of dozens of lj clones, and the less-interesting people will gradually follow. The internet interprets censorship as damage etc. It's not like television, where the opposition eventually ran out of channels. The only real way for Putin to restrict the freedom of blogging is with a China-style filtering setup - and AFAIK, no Russian official has mentioned any plans to do anything of the sort. So far.

    2. Re:ZheZhe, Russian media rules by eulernet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't forget that they have access to all the IP logs.
      Since they are able to locate people from their IP, they will be able to find the people behind the blogs (I'll let you guess what they do to their opponents).

      It's a known manipulation technique used by Scientologists: never defend, always attack.
      When you cannot shut your opponents, keep attacking them. If you have more resources, the opponent will eventually break or stop.

      It's a sad day for Russia's democracy, and democracy in general.