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PDF Is Now ISO 32000

It is official. As PDF Architect Jim King blogged today, Adobe has received word that the ballot for approval of PDF 1.7 to become the ISO 32000 Standard (DIS) has passed by a vote of 13 positive to 1 negative. A two-thirds majority is required to pass so it was a large margin of victory (93%). The vote breaks down as follows: Countries voting positive with no comments (9): Australia, Bulgaria, China, Japan, Poland, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Ukraine. Countries voting positive with comments (4): UK (13 comments), USA (125), Germany (11), Switzerland (19). Countries voting negative with comments (1): France (37 comments). Countries abstaining (1): Russia.

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  1. Re:France... by 644bd346996 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    RTFA. It's almost a subtle jab at how different the PDF standardization process has been from the OOXML standardization attempt. The PDF process has been straightforward, with no "trickery," and the proponents were actually working to improve the standard and resolve technical problems.

  2. In case we forget. by Protonk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Another standard from our friends the ISO. I'm glad the .pdf is now a documented standard, but this doesn't really mean TOO much in the document world. It might convince a few pointy-haired bosses that .pdf is MUCH better than develpoing some internal document handling protocol due to the imposing and convincing sound the standard makes when spoken, but I know that most of the ISO standardization process is in name only.

    Let's not get started about process and quality management and the yellow sticky of approval that is ISO-9000.

  3. Re:France... by GreatDrok · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "OK so why is this good but the Microsoft format is bad?
    Fact is that some proprietary formats become defacto standards. If the proprietary owners are willing to make them more open then they should be recognized as official standards."

    Because PDF works and can be implemented?

    There are many implementations of PDF including commercial and open source ones. They can interoperate with high fidelity. OOXML isn't even implemented according to the specs in MS Office 2007 and there are no other reliable implementations.

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  4. Adobe by clarkkent09 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Great, now just make a reader that doesn't slow my system down to a crawl while opening a 100K document.

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    1. Re:Adobe by RealGrouchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The whole point of standardization is that it shouldn't matter what Adobe does. Fixed.

      The same can be said of Internet Explorer/Microsoft with regard to the html standard.

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  5. Re:PDF is nice, but Acrobat ain't by mike260 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Plus it'd disregard all Windows conventions, and implement it's own jarringly out-of-place antialiasing. See Safari/Win32.

  6. PDF Tainted by Shitty Adobe Reader by ComputerPhreak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's sad that PDF, which seems like a pretty good format to me, has earned such a poor reputation. It has nothing to do with the format, rather, it has everything to do with the shitty software Adobe has put out to read PDFs. Sure, recent versions of Reader have improved loading time, and there are alternative packages available for reading, but the precedent was set around the time Reader 6 or 7 came out, as PDF usage was exploding. I grimmace everytime I see a link to a PDF on my Windows machine or on a Solaris workstation. Both have Reader installed, and it is a truly shitty piece of software: the load time is far too long (even with the latest improvements), it has embedded ads, the interface doesn't match the platform's Look & Feel well... the list goes on. Adobe could do a lot to spur the popularity of PDF by releasing a really high quality reader... but the damage may have already been too great.

  7. Re:France... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    OK so why is this good but the Microsoft format is bad?
    Go look at the specs for OOXML. They're an embarrassment to the computer science community. You'd think there was no such thing as formal requirements. PDF is very well defined, which makes it possible for third parties to use it.
    I might also add that the entire point behind the ambiguity in OOXML is to lock users into Microsoft Office. I can use any PDF viewer, because it is a well defined standard, but if the only viewer that displayed PDF's 100% correctly was Adobe's, I'd have to use them. Same idea with OOXML. If 90% of the world uses Microsoft's interpretation of the standard, and I try to use something else, everyone else is going to have trouble with my documents. I'll have to use Microsoft Office, or have people be annoyed with my poorly formed documents.

    I'm not anti-Microsoft, I'm just disgusted with this issue.
  8. Re:PDF is nice, but Acrobat ain't by VirusEqualsVeryYes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not Apple's fault if Microsoft can't display fonts correctly.

    *gets modded down by ignorant Windows users*

  9. Re:PDF is nice, but Acrobat ain't by FasterthanaWatch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think what started this debate is that the "obvious" link on the foxit site gives you that scam for their "pro" version. If you look a little to the left of the "big button" there is a small download link which gives you the free version without the scam. Or just follow the link up there to download.com. Reminds me of good old AVG Free edition. eventually, I just started googling for AVG free instead of trying to find it's hidden location on grisoft's site.

  10. Re:France... by mysticgoat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    OK so why is this good but the Microsoft format is bad?

    Let me count the ways that PDF succeeds:

    1. Over two dozen pdf readers and editors available
    2. Full support on numerous different platforms
    3. Full support from multiple vendors
    4. Complete documentation
    5. Reasonably concise documentation
    6. Clear documentation
    7. Free of proprietary constraints
    8. And probably a number of other reasons, but this short list should suffice.

    If OOXML met these criteria, it would stand a fair chance of becoming an accepted standard, too. But Microsoft does not seem to think that meeting these criteria are in its best interests, presumably because that would mean that people could use OOXML without buying licenses to Microsoft products. Microsoft isn't thinking clearly at this time; it is confusing some of the fantasy aspects of its "vision" with the evolving realities of the market it is trying to sell product to.

  11. Re:PDF is nice, but Acrobat ain't by EvanED · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now if only they would add Postscript file viewing so that Windows would have a PS reader that doesn't completely suck (*cough* GSView *cough*)...

  12. Re:PDF is nice, but Acrobat ain't by Hovsep · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Like Apple's Quicktime player is any better? Fortunately, Quicktime Alternative and Real Alternative solves both problems pretty well. Not completely, but good enough to avoid installing both of these obnoxious pieces of software.

    I don't want to upgrade to (buy) QuickTime Pro. I don't want Photoshop Starter Edition to take over my other, much better, image editing software or hide my USB drives from me if they happen to contain a graphic file (Windows behavior). I don't want the Google Toolbar. When will these assholes get the hint? Hopefully before they're killed and skull fucked...

  13. Re:ISO? by eggnoglatte · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Latex and pdflatex can create thumbnails with the hyperref package, but I don't know if there free tools for creating them from any old document format.

  14. Re:ISO? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes and no. Thumbnails are not too difficult to support, and can be managed by libraries like PDFBox and iText. The problem is that thumbnails are actually small drawings embedded in the PDF file. Unless you have a PDF renderer handy, they can often be a bit hard to create. Your best bet is to narrow down your choices to your language/platform of choice (e.g. Java, .NET, PHP, whatever), find one of the options that allows you to insert thumbnails, then render the thumbnail in the source program before inserting it into the PDF file. If your program is already graphical, then you shouldn't have too much trouble. If you are creating the PDF more dynamically, then you'll need to get creative. :)

  15. Re:PDF makes Baby Jesus cry by Daengbo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I ask a simple question: How do you re-flow a PDF to fit your browser window? Oh, you can't?

    Ummm, I think it's called "Fit Page Width" in Evince. Oh, Reflow? PDF is meant to retain document formatting. It works perfectly for desktop publishing attempts.

    Word processing programs aren't for desktop publishing, but most WP programs continue to try to get pixel-perfect formatting. This is the largest complaint I get from reviews of OpenOffice.org -- that it doesn't keep the same exact document formatting that the MS Word version of the document had. The mentality confuses me no end.

    Lyx and pdflatex all the way, babe!

  16. Re:France... by daem0n1x · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We already have an ISO standard for office documents. It's called ODF. Sorry, Microsoft you showed up too late for this fight, like you did a few times in the past. We don't need another office document standard, please start supporting ODF or else just fuck off.

  17. Re:PDF makes Baby Jesus cry by Bert64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    PDF is not intended for reflowing, or display in browsers... It's meant to preserve the layout and content in the originally intended form, and it does that well. As for structure, it does support hyperlinks and a proper table of contents providing you use a half decent tool for creating the PDF... Most PDF files created are done using nasty "print to pdf" hacks so it doesnt have the necessary data to create the index. PDF files created with pdflatex and hyperref look nice and have a nice clickable index at the side of your pdf viewer.

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  18. Re:ISO? by Bert64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not the pdf generator that makes the thumbnails, its your reader...
    That said, your reader will only display the thumbnails by default if there isn't a proper index. The index is better, because you get a textual list of the contents of your pdf file and can go straight to the chapter/section you want, but even if you have the index you can display thumbnails instead. I hate pdfs that dont have indexes.

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  19. Re:France... by 3247 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    PDF can be implemented right up until Adobe threatens to sue you if you implement it. Although they're perfectly fine with you offering it as a free download instead.
    That was antitrust law.

    If Microsoft bundles software with its products and/or integrates new features, other companies like Adobe, Netscape or Realmedia often fear that they will sell fewer of their products. Unfortunately, this means that Microsoft products often can't have features other operating systems or office packages have (PDF export, a decent web browser, ...).

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  20. Another reason for bad rap- abuse of the format by jensend · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Very true. Another reason PDF has a bad rap is because people use it for things which it's not at all intended for. For instance, at my university, it seems like word-processed documents given to students to print out etc. are generally .DOC (where PDF would be ideal) while scanned-in documents are always in huge, bloated, and slow PDFs (where DejaVu would be ideal and any decent image format would be better than PDF).

  21. Russia's abstinence for Dmitry Sklyarov? by yakumo.unr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anyone think maybe Russia abstained as a cheeky protest against the arrest of Dmitry Sklyarov in 2001? Seeing it's an Adobe product, and PDF in particular.

    He was arrested by the FBI in the US for DMCA Violation (which does not apply in Russia obviously), after Adobe complained about his production of AEBR for ElcomSoft, which cracks PDF passwords. No violation was committed on US soil.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Sklyarov

  22. Re:PDF works by matt+me · · Score: 2, Insightful

    PDF was never intended to be edited, once published. Really? It's a wonder we're not still reading in Latin. or perl Aren't we? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl
  23. Re:That is pretty sensitive.... by Phat_Tony · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Kodak recommends shooting Tmax 3200 up to ISO 25,000 and pushing it accordingly in development.

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