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Narrowing the Space Flight Gap

MarkWhittington writes with an article on the AssociatedContent site, discussing the impending US space flight gap. Between 2010 (the end of the shuttle era) and 2015 (expected date for the launch of the Orion project) the United States will have little or no spaceflight capability. This is an obvious concern to some members of Congress and NASA. "Is all, therefore, doom and gloom? Not necessarily. Just over a year ago, NASA chose two companies for its Commercial Orbital Transportation Systems (COTS) program ... The goal of COTS was for the two companies to build prototype space craft capable of delivering crews and cargo to the International Space Station. A second phase of the COTS program would consist of a competition for a contract to actually deliver crews and cargo to ISS after 2010 ... Private industry may well come to the rescue and preserve American access to space, at least until Orion becomes operational."

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  1. Oblig. Dr. Strangelove by GroeFaZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mr. President, we must not allow a mineshaft gap!

    But seriously, why do US political rhetorics always seem to have that military touch?

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    1. Re:Oblig. Dr. Strangelove by heinousjay · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because it's a human tendency to find exactly what you're looking for.

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  2. Why bother by ArcherB · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If we can push out a space delivery system that is "good enough" in such a short time, why bother with Orion?

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    1. Re:Why bother by QuickFox · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The article mentions this:

      Indeed it could be argued that Orion would not be needed for the resupply of the International Space Station, with a private firm already providing the service.

      Perhaps, therefore, NASA could decide to bypass the development of the orbital Orion and go straight to one capable of going to the Moon. How much money would be saved is open to question, but perhaps enough would be to advance the return of explorers to the Moon by a few months, if not years. And for those who have been waiting over a generation for that event, it cannot come too soon.
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  3. COTS is the problem. by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I work in the space industry, on the Landsat satellite program.

    There's a law that we must have an operating Landsat satellite -- it's that important to geology, agriculture, urban planning, etc. Landsats 1-7 were all specified and built by the government or its contractors.

    In the early 2000s it came time to build Landsat 8 (known as LDCM, because nobody likes the abbreviation 'L8'). The government directive was to use the COTS program: Buy data from an existing commercial satellite, or get a commercial company to build and operate it for profit, with the government its preferred customer.

    But there are no satellites that create the precise kind of data that Landsat needs. And when companies measured the profit potential of building the right kind of satellite, they walked away. If I recall the COTS LDCM request for proposal got zero bidders.

    The government has finally given up on its free market fever and allowed LDCM to be a non-COTS system. Meanwhile, because we dicked around trying to shoehorn a government project into a commercial venture, we're going to be 4-8 years late in launching the next Landsat satellite. Assuming budgetary problems don't kill the entire 30+ year program.

    COTS, and the recent governmental zeal to make everything part of the free market, is what has crippled and bankrupted the US space program. Some things are just better if done by governments, and at this point in history spaceflight is one of those things.

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    1. Re:COTS is the problem. by R2.0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I work for a Very Large Charitable Organization, and a number of years ago we wrote a software application in house - it worked OK, but never really well. When it came time to replace it, the word came down - WE SHALL USE COTS! One little problem - our real world application is literally one-of-a-kind. NO ONE made a commercial version of our software that did what we needed it to do. But since the directive was COTS only, we bought the next best thing, and are now having the vendor modify it (so much for the OTS part). Now it's late, over budget, still doesn't work, and we are seriously considering just throwing the whole thing away and hiring the developers to write In House 2.0.

      COTS is to avoid $600 toilet seats, not things which are nearly unique.

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  4. Re:Oh noes!!1! by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thank you for your Libertarian, "drown government in a bath tub" input, Mr. Norquist. Developing the infrastructure and knowledge to explore the universe is such as waste of time. By the way, Grover. I would have loved to have heard your fiscal conservative input while your party was generating $2 trillion dollars in debt for a bogus war and handouts to friendly corporations like Halliburton, even after they'd been busted screwing the government out of "hundreds of millions of dollars." But, I suppose we need to focus on the money wasted by scientists, bridges to nowhere, and all the welfare crack moms that are the real cause of our excessive governmetn spending.

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  5. Re:Oh noes!!1! by QuickFox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    America is left without any ability to waste hundreds of millions of dollars firing people into low earth orbit Don't worry, the Iraq money sink still remains, and it's far, far more efficient. There's also the general terrorism scare money sink. And others. Spacefaring is a drop in the ocean, lots of efficient money sinks remain!
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  6. One question by hellfire · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's an interesting section on mitigating risk, but it doesn't specifically mention the worst case (and quite possible scenario) that the fission rocket blows up somewhere in the atmosphere. What's the radiation damage then? I'm not a nuclear or rocket scientist but I don't see that discussed.

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  7. Who would have thought? by Brass+Cannon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What would you have thought in 1969 (had you been alive) when Armstrong landed on the moon, if someone asked you where the US space program would be in 2007?

    Colonies on the Moon? Sure.
    Humans on Mars? Check.
    Remote exploration of the outer planets? Probably.

    The US unable to launch a manned mission into orbit? Absolutely not.

    But here we are. Armstrong will most likely be dead before we go back to the Moon.

    What a terrible shame.

  8. Re:I just know this is gonna kill my karma... by ozbird · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Try 1: In Soviet Russia, the government bails out private industry!

    In former Soviet Russia, they have tried and tested launch systems that the US could use to fill their gap. However, if the 45 year old embargo against Cuba is anything to go by, I can't see it happening.
    (Pity: a trade deal for SLVs in exchange for cash and a crack down on spammers, phishers and other criminal elements in Russia would be a win-win scenario.)