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Flying Humans

mlimber sends us to the NYTimes for a story about flying people who jump from planes or other high locations wearing a wing suit akin to a flying squirrel's. Their efforts have potential military and Xtreme sports applications. The story profiles, with video, one guy who wants to be the first to jump from a plane and land without a parachute (and live). Here's a YouTube video of another of these fliers skimming six feet above skiers in the Swiss Alps. Quoting: "Modern suit design features tightly woven nylon sewn between the legs and between the arms and torso, creating wings that fill with air and create lift, allowing for forward motion and aerial maneuvers while slowing descent. As the suits, which cost about $1,000, have become more sophisticated, so have the pilots. The best fliers, and there are not many, can trace the horizontal contours of cliffs, ridges and mountainsides."

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  1. 64 years late! by Eric+Smith · · Score: 5, Informative

    one guy who wants to be the first to jump from a plane and land without a parachute (and live)
    He's at least 64 years too late. Alan Magee and Nick Alkemade already survived jumps from aircraft without parachutes in 1943 and 1944.
    1. Re:64 years late! by Architect_sasyr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That and this sort of thing has been around for years. Outside of of the cinema and within, take the angels in "Reign of Fire", I'm pretty sure I've even seen it in a bond flick. The Guinness Book of Records has something of it. Slow news day at /. HQ?

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    2. Re:64 years late! by Repton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's not quite the same thing -- they didn't plan to jump without a parachute. If you throw enough people out of aeroplanes (as WWII did), it's not quite so amazing if a couple survive. This guy wants to be one from one -- much more difficult.

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    3. Re:64 years late! by ottothecow · · Score: 3, Insightful
      When you think about it, it doesn't really matter how far they fall as long as it is past a certain threshold.

      With a the wind resistance of a skydiver on earth, you would reach your terminal velocity of around 125MPH in about 1500ft or about the height of the sears tower.

      Of course this still is pretty high and has a very high risk of death, it would result in only the same risk of death as a fall from 15,000 ft.

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    4. Re:64 years late! by harl · · Score: 4, Funny

      Perfectly good airplane?!

      Have you seen jump planes? No seats and there's a huge hole in the wall.

      I can honestly say without caveat that of the hundreds of rides I've taken on Twin Otters not once have I safely landed in one.

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    5. Re:64 years late! by Megane · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Okay, fine. Then this guy can become the first to survive two jumps without a parachute.

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  2. The best fliers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    The best fliers, and there are not many,
    That is because the bad one die.

    Darwinism in action

  3. OB In Soviet Russia by davidwr · · Score: 3, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, Boris and Natasha get Moose and Flying Human.

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    1. Re:OB In Soviet Russia by hazem · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You joke about Soviet Russia, but when I was a paratrooper - many years ago - there were stories of how the Russians would drop airborne troops by flying very low and dropping them into to snow drifts.

      Maybe they just told us that so we wouldn't bitch about how fast we hit the ground WITH parachutes... One thing the army taught me is that someone ALWAYS has it worse.

  4. I got mine... by Marko+DeBeeste · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...from Acme products. Tragically the roadrunner continues to elude me.

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  5. Why? by Meshach · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I love the quote from the article:

    Which leads to an obvious and inevitable question: Why?
    "Because everybody thinks that it's not possible," Mr. Corliss said. "The point is to show people anything can be done. If you want to do amazing things, then you have to take amazing risks."
    That sums up so much. Why does any one do anything? Who does anyone jump out from the sky? Why does anyone contribute to open source?

    Because it is there
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    1. Re:Why? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Bah. I am skeptical. I think there's another answer, for when the reality of it being possible sets in: because flying is danged fun.

      I mean, why do people go on roller coasters? Not because it's impossible, that's for sure...

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    2. Re:Why? by Aneurysm · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sorry, I didn't mean to jibe. I know what you're saying and I agree, althought I think the quote is more about making huge risks for huge gains (but also potential losses). Sometimes it just feels like Godwins Law somtimes on slashdot though, except like this: As a Slashdot thread grows longer, the probability of a comparison to the benefits of open source approaches one. In fact I name it Aneurysm's law :)

  6. Darwin Awards by wildsurf · · Score: 4, Funny

    The best fliers, and there are not many

    Darwin in action.

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    1. Re:Darwin Awards by cowscows · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, doesn't the term "the best" by definition sort of mean there can't be that many? The best means superior to all others, and unless you're talking about something that has an absolute and measurable limit to "perfection", then "the best" is a pretty exclusive club.

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  7. An understatement by iamacat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The landing, as one might expect, poses the biggest challenge,

    I would say it's the only challenge actually. Gliding around in any winged suit is fun and safe as long as you still open the chute at the end.

    1. Re:An understatement by blastwave · · Score: 4, Funny

      The principal difficulty seems to be in throwing oneself at the ground and missing.

  8. I ponder by downix · · Score: 5, Interesting

    would it be possible to use an engine to turn these gliders into true flying suits? Similar to the Bell suit, but with real lift to allow it to fly for longer?

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    1. Re:I ponder by rts008 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Check this out:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHYXrqoS08o&feature=related. Is this anything like you were asking about?

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    2. Re:I ponder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of course it would! Just put telescoping poles on each limb and increase the wingspan about 20 feet or so... then add an engine and a propeller... maybe incase the guy in some kind of lightweight metal to protect him from the wind and such and to make him a bit more aerodynamic...

    3. Re:I ponder by Mawbid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      yup

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  9. Falling with style by inflamed · · Score: 3, Funny

    Kinda like Buzz Lightyear in Toy Story

  10. Been around for 10 years by greenbird · · Score: 4, Informative

    These things have been around for 10 years. Google Birdman Suit or go to any skydiving boogie. Anyone with a D license can demo one.

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  11. Patrick De Gayardon by goatpunch · · Score: 4, Informative

    Patrick was working on developing these winged suits before he died when a rigging error caused his parachute to malfunction. He was planning a way of skiing with one of these suits, so that he could take off and land on the way down. http://www.bpa.org.uk/skydive/pages/people/gayardon.htm

    Blue Skies Patrick

  12. Re:That wasn't flying! That was... falling with st by McFadden · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dammit... Now I want to know about the library incident.

  13. Re:Flying? by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

    Are their any true airfoils involved? This seems like nothing more than a creative way to fall.

    "That's not flying, it's falling with style"

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  14. Re:Bad news... by xSauronx · · Score: 3, Funny
    Vesna Vulovic was a flight attendant who fell out of a plane after an explosion, fell in snow, and survived.

    And he liked it!

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  15. The Man Who Rode the Thunder by pigiron · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In 1960 William Rankin ejected from his F8U Crusader jet at 48,000 feet and his parachute was ripped away in the jet stream. He traveled 150 miles and didn't come down for an hour. There are more stories like it here: http://www.greenharbor.com/fffolder/ffreading.html

    1. Re:The Man Who Rode the Thunder by goatpunch · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sorry, here's the TIME story from 1959: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,937849,00.html

  16. Better video by blhack · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is a much better video of what you can do with one of these suits Here

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  17. Wile E's failure... by dgun · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...is our gain. It was going good for him until he got smug about it.

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  18. Any Aerodynamics Testing? by PPH · · Score: 3, Interesting
    It would be interesting to see if any legit aerodynamics analysis and/or testing has been done on these suits?

    It appears that the suits are just trading vertical speed for horizontal speed. That might keep the flyer from making a crater in a field somewhere, but the human body won't tolerate a 100 MPH slide along the ground very well either. It might be possible to 'land' on a ski slope or a lake. But if the goal is to set down on flat ground, that speed will have to be reduced.

    The aero folks get concerned with things like wing loading, drag and stall speed when figuring aircraft landing characteristics. The same would appear to apply here. Unfortunately, we already know what one suitable (no pun intended) glider configuration looks like that is safe for humans. It's a paraglider configuration. I don't think you can hang that much airfoil between your arms and legs.

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  19. Obligatory Far Side Caption by jpellino · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Say what's a mountain goat doing way up here in a cloud bank?"

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  20. Hey! by markov_chain · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was not necessarily saying that open source is just as exciting as jumping out of a plane.
    Speak for yourself there, buddy! :)
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  21. Re:Bad news... by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 5, Funny

    Vesna Vulovic was a flight attendant who fell out of a plane after an explosion, fell in snow, and survived. And he liked it!

    I don't think so... Vesna Vulovic was female. ;)

    After the accident, at least...
  22. Summer recruits by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, the Russian commanders probably told them that they didn't have it so bad - the guys who were drafted in the summer had to do it without snow.

  23. A suit? by omnipresentbob · · Score: 5, Funny

    And here I thought it was Python...

  24. Re:Free Fall? No Problem! by ColaMan · · Score: 3, Funny

    Look around for a proportionate personal vehicle--some large, flat, aerodynamically suitable piece of wreckage.

    Unfortunately at this point, all those bits are still wayyyy above you, flapping about as they tumble gently to earth. You, however, having been in the "dead spider" position for a few minutes, are wayyyy below them. Bummer.

    But still, keep your hopes up and your mind clear, and you'll be able to take some nice shots with your cameraphone, smiling and waving cheekily as you plumment to earth. Try and get into one of those legs-crossed hindu levitation positions for the last ones - they'll look a treat.

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  25. Lethal dose of height by spineboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    The height at which 50% of the people die from a fall is about 50 feet( actually 4 stories or 48 feet). The Lethal Dose at which 90% of people die (LD 90) is approximately 84 feet , or 7 stories. At least those numbers are what we use in medicine in an urban setting. Falls outside may be cushioned by trees/ bushes,snow, etc and may change the numbers. Obviously there exists anecdotal evidence of people falling 5 feet and dieing and people who fell 20,000 feet and lived, but statistically those are the numbers collected by medical literature.

    You hit the ground at about 35-36 MPH from a 48 foot fall, at 84 feet - about 50 MPH. Actually speeds are a little bit smaller,since I didn't takeinto account the effect of wind resistance and body density, and just used the simple physica acceleration formula V^2 = U^2 + 2AS

    I'm an orthopaedic surgeon, and when fall/jump from those heights, putting them back together can be a bit "tricky", and the pieces don't always go back together well. When the suicide jumper only jumps from 40 feet and lives with horrible fractures, we sometimes joke that they didn't read the literature and plan things out correctly. Now the person is depressed AND may have bad arthritic pain from their smashed joints now, or just be plain old paralyzed.
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  26. Not many of the best fliers... by Aqualung812 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The best fliers, and there are not many, can trace the horizontal contours of cliffs, ridges and mountainsides.

    Would there not be many because few have tried, or because when you try you have two outcomes: Live or die? Those that live become the best I assume? What about the average ones?

    It reminds me of a saying: "There are stupid exterme skiers and there are old extreme skiers, but there are no old, stupid extreme skiers..."

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