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Yahoo Becomes Apache Platinum Sponsor

jschauma writes "Yahoo published a press release announcing that it has become a platinum sponsor of the Apache Software Foundation. In their company blog, Yahoo points out their particular interest in the Apache projects Lucene and Hadoop, and that they have hired Doug Cutting, creator of both projects and VP at Apache. (Lucene powers the search on Wikipedia; Yahoo also provides hosting capacity to Wikimedia.)"

110 comments

  1. Tax Break? by ookabooka · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was curious, can you deduct money you give to the apache foundation as a charitable donation? They are a not-for-profit organization aren't they? It certainly would be an interesting way for companies to mess with their books.

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    1. Re:Tax Break? by poopdeville · · Score: 2

      No, unless they have incorporated as a charitable organization and not just a not-for-profit corporation. I don't believe the Apache Foundation qualifies to be a charitable organization, but that's for lawyers to argue.

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    2. Re:Tax Break? by explosivejared · · Score: 4, Informative

      WP says they are a 501(c)(3), meaning they solely exist to promote science. So any donation to them would be a tax exemption just like a regular charity.

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    3. Re:Tax Break? by gbulmash · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you can justify that you got something of value for it, you can deduct it as a business expense, which is as good as a charitable donation, when it comes to its impact on their taxes. I'd guess Yahoo! would classify it as a PR expense, but they might also classify it as R&D. Depends on what their tax lawyers say to classify it as.

      - Greg

    4. Re:Tax Break? by jaaron · · Score: 5, Informative

      We have incorporated. Please see my other comment. Apache is a legal US charity.

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    5. Re:Tax Break? by wdr1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Rumor spreads that Google is helping an open source project & Slashdot falls over with praise.

      Yahoo helps open source & the first question is "Hey, are they cookin' the books?"

      Go figure.

      -Bill

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    6. Re:Tax Break? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree.. you can also find more information here Incorporated

    7. Re:Tax Break? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How long till Apache meets the security record of IIS 7?

    8. Re:Tax Break? by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      IIS? Why would they ever want to be that buggy?

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    9. Re:Tax Break? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google employees are good at this Web2.0 game. They get here quick to get their positive spin and mod points into any Google article. Slashdot is just a drop in the bucket compared to the number of posts all over the web by Google employees.

    10. Re:Tax Break? by WestCoastJTF · · Score: 1
      So any donation to them would be a tax exemption just like a regular charity.

      Not just like...they are a "regular charity".

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  2. Go Yahoo by cumin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I gave up on Yahoo many years ago and moved to Google in preference. More and more lately, with improved search results, useful information, less restrictive email, and now support for one of my favorite OSS projects, they lure me back.

    Keep up the good work Yahoo.

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    1. Re:Go Yahoo by Tatsh · · Score: 1

      I'm starting to like Yahoo again too, but can they make a really clean homepage like Google? That's one of the reasons my homepage has been google.com.

    2. Re:Go Yahoo by Temporal · · Score: 5, Informative

      Err... It's great of Yahoo to do this and all, but as others have pointed out, Google was already a platinum sponsor of Apache, and until now was the only platinum sponsor.

      Google also contributes directly to the Linux kernel, GCC, Mozilla, and many other projects, funds tons of open source development via the Summer of Code program, releases many of its own projects open source (from small things like its Java collections framework to huge things like Android), provides free hosting for open source projects, etc.

      Not trying to diminish Yahoo's contributions -- they release plenty of code too -- but just saying that you can hardly claim Google doesn't do enough for OSS.

    3. Re:Go Yahoo by thelamecamel · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Well let's just hope they don't adopt Wikipedia's pathetic search engine...

    4. Re:Go Yahoo by wannabgeek · · Score: 5, Informative

      You mean something like this http://search.yahoo.com/ ?

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    5. Re:Go Yahoo by Matt+Perry · · Score: 1

      While your link is informative, he asked why their home page isn't clean. Their home page still looks like something from 1998.

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    6. Re:Go Yahoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep up the good work Yahoo

      Just don't be too hasty in giving up Chinese journalists' identities...

    7. Re:Go Yahoo by Yetihehe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I like clean start pages too. So I'm using this

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    8. Re:Go Yahoo by caluml · · Score: 1

      That's because it's a portal.

    9. Re:Go Yahoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who here actually goes to a search site before searching for something? The search feature of firefox is really nice. Multiple search engines at your fingertips. You can also configure the address bar in many browsers to do a default search somewhere if it cannot locate a page.

    10. Re:Go Yahoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody's claiming that. You're just such a Google fanbois anytime someone says something good about Yahoo you feel threatened.

  3. Truly do no evil? by Veroxii · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it just me, or is Yahoo really what Google purports to be these days?

    Mmmmmm....

    1. Re:Truly do no evil? by DrEldarion · · Score: 1

      Yes, because Google never donates anything to anyone.

    2. Re:Truly do no evil? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Yahoo donates money to a foundation that Google has already donated tons of money to somehow makes Yahoo what Google purports to be? Yahoo's open source contributions are a tiny fraction of Google's. With the exception of Domain Keys, Yahoo hasn't really made much of an effort to contribute any meaningful tech back to the community over the last several years.

    3. Re:Truly do no evil? by peektwice · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Right, and Yahoo has never turned any Chinese dissidents over to the Chinese government either...

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    4. Re:Truly do no evil? by BeanThere · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yup, and Yahoo never collaborates unethically with the Chinese government. But hey, if people want to believe Google is more 'evil' than the others, I guess people see only what they want to see, or rather, what media FUD campaigns want them to see.

    5. Re:Truly do no evil? by stuuf · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and Google doesn't *actually* believe in open source end-user applications. Sure they'll make sure everyone knows how much of their success is because of open source server components, and they released a few specs and libraries that the community might turn into complete applications. But all the Google-branded apps that everyone loves to use and emphatically recommend to all their friends are proprietary, and either Windows-only or half-assed Wine-based "ports."

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  4. If Everyone by gbulmash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wonder what would happen if everyone who was using FOSS software like Apache actually supported it? I'm not talking sending your favorite Linux distro the cost of Vista Home Basic, but like $20 spread across your four or 5 favorite projects. I donated to OCAL earlier this year, but I really need to send a Christmas present to the guys at Inkscape. This story's a good reminder.

    - Greg

    1. Re:If Everyone by JPriest · · Score: 1

      Good point, I couldn't afford to donate to every project I use, but I do try to give $10 here and $20 there to the projects that I think are useful. I call it "microfunding".

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    2. Re:If Everyone by dedazo · · Score: 1
      If everyone donated to the FOSS projects they use commercial software would have been surpassed long ago. Think about the value that something like Apache or MySQL provides and monetize it. Vim? Emacs? That's a lot of money.

      Human nature being what it is however, donations are a revenue system that generally does not work well (with few exceptions like WP), and probably never will.

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    3. Re:If Everyone by cyphercell · · Score: 1

      I want to know if this stuff is tax deductible? If so, how can I prove it? Working as a consultant I wouldn't mind at all donating a tax deductible portion of my services back to the vendor of the software I use.

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    4. Re:If Everyone by calebt3 · · Score: 1

      You're just jealous because you didn't think of it.

    5. Re:If Everyone by wikinerd · · Score: 1

      Correct, more people should donate, especially to software they use (of course it has to be said that the greatest donation is your time in writing code). I am trying to bootstrap a project (AlgoLibre) modelled after philanthropy giving circles to enable people donate services (eg free email, web space, svn, cvs etc) to free software developers (the idea is, whoever manages Internet servers to take a small slice of each server, VPS or not, and give it gratis for use by free software developers, then my idea is to extend this somehow and I specifically want to create the impetus for the creation of various benefits for free software people, like some form of health insurance scheme). There is Advogato as well.

    6. Re:If Everyone by encoderer · · Score: 1

      If it's registered as a US-based non-profit then absolutely. The easiest way to keep "proof" would be to just mail them a check and keep a copy of the canceled check. It's not as easy for the non-prof as an online donation, but it'd probably be the best way to show proof of your donation.

      Otherwise, I'd just print-out whatever receipt you get after donating, and maybe a copy of your CC statement showing the transaction.

      I've never been audited, but this is what my CPA has told me. canceled checks are best, but in lieu, be certain to get a receipt.

    7. Re:If Everyone by jrp2 · · Score: 1

      "If it's registered as a US-based non-profit then absolutely."

      Not quite. In the US it needs to be a "charity", not simply "non-profit". I think 501(C)(3) is the designation. If they are (and Apache is) they will make it VERY CLEAR on their donations page as it obviously helps their fund-raising efforts.

      Bottom line, IANATL, but I know that simple "non-profit" status is not enough to make a donation deductible on your US taxes. Most non-profit FOSS projects probably are NOT tax deductible. My personal opinion is for small donations, it is not a big deal. I do not let that stop me from dropping $20 to a project I find useful. I also find a thank you note, or a wish-list gift, goes a long way too, especially for the smaller projects with only one or two developers. Folks like to know their hard work is appreciated.

      Your suggestion on cancelled checks, though, is likely good advice (again, IANATL).

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  5. Lucene and Wikipedia by Blue+Trapezoid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I hope Yahoo taking an interest in Lucene involves them making heavy improvements to it. Wikipedia's search is the worst.

    1. Re:Lucene and Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Definitely true, I always find myself using the google option or even just
      doing my search in google and adding the work wiki or using the site tag.
      Its really amazing how bad Lucene is at searching.

    2. Re:Lucene and Wikipedia by QMalcolm · · Score: 1

      I find myself just using google to search inside of wikipedia.org instead of using the actual wikipedia search. It really is quite bad.

    3. Re:Lucene and Wikipedia by nostriluu · · Score: 1

      I was surprised to hear they used Lucene.. I don't think Lucene is bad, I've checked it out and it has a nice feature set (as well as being robust), but Wikipedia's search is awful.

      This whole thing is also interesting from the Google Knol vs Wikipedia angle.

    4. Re:Lucene and Wikipedia by Titoxd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wikipedia's search is crapola, and everybody and their dog knows that. However, It is not because of limitations with Lucene; it is more caused by limitations with MySQL. The MediaWiki database backend stores the text of pages in an InnoDB database, and InnoDB was used because it provides more robustness during simultaneous read and write operations (or at least that is what I understood). However, InnoDB does not allow for the creation of full-text indices, like those needed for Lucene search; MyISAM databases are required for that. So, there is an expensive replication task from the text table to the search tables in MediaWiki.

    5. Re:Lucene and Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm glad that Yahoo! is funding a search technology I'm familiar with. Lucene is actually a fairly decent technology. I just wouldn't suggest that Wikipedia's implementation of it is the best example out there to showcase its features. It's fast enough that people aren't bothered by lag. However, Wikipedia search lacks some essential features such as Google's typo correction feature. Google also has the advantage of access to massive amounts of data to draw up statistical insight upon.

    6. Re:Lucene and Wikipedia by arotenbe · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia's typo-correction project recommends using Google when searching for common misspellings of words, because Wikipedia's built-in search is so terrible by comparison.

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    7. Re:Lucene and Wikipedia by otisg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wikipedia search may not be great, but Lucene itself is an amazing toolkit. I tend to think that without Lucene half of the companies that have some kind of a search companies (think Web2.0) wouldn't know what to do.
      Lucene is great and free. FAST, Autonomy, Google Appliance, Endeca, etc. are all *massive* and *expensive*. Compare that to the free and super-flexible Lucene! Oh, and it's not like there is no professional support and services around the Lucene stack! Just look at http://sematext.com/ and its client list and you'll see some big names.

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    8. Re:Lucene and Wikipedia by mastershake_phd · · Score: 1

      What database does google use?

    9. Re:Lucene and Wikipedia by otisg · · Score: 1

      Are you sure it's Lucene and not Wikipedia's use or Lucene? (I never use Wikipedia's internal search, so I really don't know)

      Did you know that Amazon uses Lucene for "search inside the book", for example? Does that suck, too?

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    10. Re:Lucene and Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GoogleFS

    11. Re:Lucene and Wikipedia by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2, Interesting
      According to THIS, Google runs MySQL for AdWrods.

      Here is some more about Google and MySQL: http://www.mysql.com/customers/customer.php?id=75

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    12. Re:Lucene and Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're about 20% right. INNODB doesn't support full text searching, which is why wikipedia uses Lucene.

      Luecene, however, has no relationship to mySQL at all. It's a totally separate entity that stores its indeces on the *file system* in its own binary format.

      You can use lucene to index myISAM, innodb, Oracle, or just a bunch of text files you have sitting around. In no way is it dependent upon the existence, or capabilities, of mySQL however.

    13. Re:Lucene and Wikipedia by RiyazShaikh · · Score: 1

      FYI, there is a way to search InnoDB tables - Sphinx Search, and it's pretty fast too.

    14. Re:Lucene and Wikipedia by xant · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia's search may or may not be terrible (I've never had any problems..) but I doubt it's Lucene's fault. I've written a pylucene-based application, and I found the search results to be outstanding.

      That said, Lucene really does need lots of help. It's terrible to compile, the bindings leave something to be desired, it seems to be a resource hog and it needs built-in numeric range search ("find me all typewriters costing more than $100 and less than $400").

      I hope Yahoo! is actually interested in helping there.

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    15. Re:Lucene and Wikipedia by vhogemann · · Score: 2, Informative

      I guess that there's two search mechanisms in place at wikipedia, one search for the exact title of the article, and anoter is a fuzzy full text search. The first one is provided by MediaWiki, and the second one is powered by Lucene.

      The title search takes only exact matches, and probably that's the crappy one.

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    16. Re:Lucene and Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't make sense to call out Lucene because Google does a better job on Wikipedia. There are a couple of good reasons for this.
      Lucene is a Java library designed for embedding in many contexts. Google is a massively parallel computing platform which has access to vast amounts of data such as :
      1) The web's link structure, used to compute PageRank and therefore better rank authoritative Wikipedia pages
      2) A large proportion of the user searches conducted on the internet - used to inform spelling correction.

      Smart systems are increasingly about software algorithms augmented with huge amounts of data.

      If you happen to crawl the web (or at least the bit of it that links to Wikipedia and isn't black hat SEO) and compute a PageRank then you could use Lucene's "document boosts" feature to store and use this ranking. If you have billions of user searches you can add some spelling correction on top of Lucene.

      However, computing PageRank and offering Spelling Correction are deliberately not part of Lucene's "lean and mean" feature set (and rightly so).

      If you want to improve something here perhaps it is the functionality Wikipedia have built on the Lucene core that needs addressing.
      What Lucene sets out to solve, it actually does very well.

    17. Re:Lucene and Wikipedia by risk+one · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia's search is bad because the implementation blows. It not Lucene's fault, it's the fault of the mediawiki devs. Lucene has implementations ready for every kind of search improvement trick you can think of. Simple example, you can boost the importance of different fields. Mediawiki could easily boost the influence of the title field, but I'm pretty sure that they don't. When I search for UDP, the first hit is about UDP ports, the second is the disambiguation page for UDP. Lucene allows for all sorts of improvements to your search strategy, MediaWiki just doesn't use them.

  6. Another Yahoo! open source story by netdur · · Score: 1

    They released Flickr Uploadr under GPL (2 only)

    http://flickr.com/tools/uploadr/

    The interesting thing here, it is using xulrunner from Mozilla && there no Linux binary!!!

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    1. Re:Another Yahoo! open source story by saleenS281 · · Score: 1

      I'm still waiting them to go all the way and add local photo album support to it. Looks like they're getting there. I really need to be able to organize stuff offline a-la picasa, only with an easy to upload interface. Kind of like the api they added to picasa for smugmug.

    2. Re:Another Yahoo! open source story by ggvaidya · · Score: 1

      Completely offtopic, but never a bad time to push a worthy tool: there's an excellent command-line, Perl-based tool to upload images to Flickr. Not necessarily your cup of tea if you want/need to organise or sort images before uploading, but if you've got a lot of photos to put online all at one, tagged and titled, this might be the tool for you! Anti-Perl people (the thought!) can look up other script-based command line tools on Flickr's API page (of all places).

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  7. Re:Hah! That's NOTHING! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fail. I have a platinum account.

  8. Google donates too by Dashcolon · · Score: 4, Informative

    All you gents lauding Yahoo for being a platinum donor in comparisons to Google should take a look at Apache's donation thanks page, where google is also listed as a platinum donor

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    1. Re:Google donates too by linguizic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All you people reminding us that Google also contributes to Apache need to keep in mind that Google has allot more money than Yahoo! does. This isn't a pissing contest between the two companies--it's just good news.

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  9. Yes, Apache is a legal US charity (Re:Tax Break?) by jaaron · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes. Apache is a US charity under Section 501(c)(3) of the U.S. Internal Revenue Code. See the donation FAQ.

    Furthermore, Apache is still almost completely a volunteer organization. The board members, officers and members do not take a salary from the donations. The only paid staff the ASF now has include a PR person, a system administrator, and a part-time secretary.

    Disclaimer: I'm an Apache board member.

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  10. Google is also an Apache Sponsor by jaaron · · Score: 4, Informative

    Google is also an Apache platinum sponsor. We're happy to have both of them involved!

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  11. Re:Hah! That's NOTHING! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fail. You have an account on 4chan.

  12. So now Chinese blood money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    is being used to support FOSS. So what. ALL money is blood money nowadays :-(

  13. Yahoo and Microsoft not in the same tree by eebra82 · · Score: 1

    I guess this puts Microsoft and Yahoo further apart. Not too long ago, it was speculated that Microsoft would make a move to buy Yahoo. Now Yahoo's sponsoring .NET's biggest competitor.

    1. Re:Yahoo and Microsoft not in the same tree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or gives Microsoft more incentive to buy them and cut off funding.

    2. Re:Yahoo and Microsoft not in the same tree by etnu · · Score: 1

      Java and web tech (HTML, CSS, Javascript) are .Net's biggest competitors, not ASF. Tomcat and Apache WS compete with IIS, but that's about the extent of the overlap.

  14. Re:Truly do no evil? (Google -- Summer of Code) by otisg · · Score: 1

    Google sponsored several Summer of Code .... summers and good things came out of it. Some of the SoC projects actually ended as Lucene contributions, too.

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  15. Wikipedia, eh... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Informative

    Lucene powers the search on Wikipedia...
    This is not meant to be a troll, though many may take it that way, but if Lucene is what Wikipedia uses, than either Lucene needs a lot of work, or Wikipedia just isn't implementing it right. Wikipedia's search is just about one of the most unforgiving search functions on the web; unless you hit the spelling perfectly, you often simply will not find what you're looking for, and better not have any extraneous words in the search string either. Which is why I use Google to search Wikipedia...
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    1. Re:Wikipedia, eh... by garbletext · · Score: 1
      The reason I still generally use WP's search function is the fact that it will take you directly to the article if you get the title correct, and to the results otherwise; quite useful in conjunction with smart keywords, where I can type wp Penguin to get directly at that article. This can be approximated with google's browse by name and I'm feeling lucky functions like:

      http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=site:en.wikipedia.org %s
      and

      http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&btnI=&q=site:en.wikipedia.org %s
      , respectively. Both versions are more powerful than the wikipedia search function, but WP's is good enough for me, for the main reason that I'd rather not give google a list of every wikipedia article I look up, given that wikipedia lookups account for at least a third of my searches. I'm still searching for a replacement for 'I'm feeling lucky' un the URLbar, as it and GIS are the only things keeping me using Google; all normal searches go through the Scroogle Scraper, which is easy to setup with firefox and prevents most of the profiling google does. If only google would provide a way to opt out of storing search data, I'd happily go back, but ATM I'm wary.
    2. Re:Wikipedia, eh... by Eighty7 · · Score: 1

      Which is why I use Google to search Wikipedia...
      Yeah, everybody does. I have the firefox extension googlepedia installed so I always get wiki results when searching google.
    3. Re:Wikipedia, eh... by ONU+CS+Geek · · Score: 1

      Sourceforge.net uses Lucene for searching, I believe. They seem to get it right.

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    4. Re:Wikipedia, eh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you even know what Lucene is for?

      Last I knew, it is built to be the base of other search technology, so it does a fine job of text indexing and searching, but not guessing you meant "Paris Hilton" when you search for Pares Hiltone.

      It is not trying to compete with google, but rather make a base for others, such as Nutch, to compete.

    5. Re:Wikipedia, eh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is why I use Google to search Wikipedia...
      Hell, I use google to search MSDN. Off-topic, I know.
    6. Re:Wikipedia, eh... by prime_61997851 · · Score: 1

      After having done some extensive work with Lucene I'd have to say that Wikipedia is not implementing it well if their search does indeed suck (I don't know, I use Google to search Wikipedia). Lucene is a library for building search engines, not a search engine itself. It's possible to implement things like roots of words, synonyms, misspelled words using the Levenshtein distance algorithm , etc.. It's a good tool set and you can use the tools to build crap if you're under deadline/lazy/unimaginative or you can use the tools to build just about any kind of text search feature you can think of.

    7. Re:Wikipedia, eh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go fuck yourself, troll.

  16. Like a new drug? by RealGrouchy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One of the theories of why violent crime spiked in the late '80s is that crack cocaine was new on the market, and so the territories among the drug lords had to be established and drawn--often through violent means. After the dust had settled and the lines were established in the early-to-mid '90s, violent crime came down somewhat (both in cities like New York that had spent oodles of money on "tough-on-crime" measures, and in places where no additional resources had been allocated).

    Every time I see things like Google latching on to Firefox, or the ones referenced in TFA(S), I can't help but think that Yahoo, Google, Microsoft, IBM, etc. are simply snatching up open-source "territory".

    I wonder what it means and where it will lead...

    - RG>

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    1. Re:Like a new drug? by mysticgoat · · Score: 1

      One of the theories of why violent crime spiked in the late '80s

      Well, you can have all kinds of theories about anything, I guess.

      Violent crime in the USA was increasing from around 1910 onward, until around 1990, then it began to decrease.

      The rapid decrease in inner city crime since around 1990 correlates well with the increased use of cell phones in these areas. This is probably causal rather than coincidental. The combination of cell phones and rapid response to 911 calls appears to be an effective deterrent to assaults, robberies, breaking and entering, and other crimes that would be obvious to an unseen observer.

  17. Well DUH. by WarlockD · · Score: 1

    I work on their servers, they all run either FreeBSD or RedHat. (FYI those were the only choices as of a year ago in PXE reimage boots) Its not like they have many robust other hosting choices

    Its good that they are support Apache, but really, they should of just did a joint statment with Goggle when they signed on. Sounds to much like a one-up manship.

  18. linux needs sponsors by chrisranjana.com · · Score: 0

    If Major sponsors like yahoo adopt linux and opensource. It is going to be great for the opensource community as such.

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  19. Re: Google could go to the Dark Side by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1
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  20. Re:zonk is a homo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DUDE YOU'RE GETTING A DELL

  21. Re:Go Yahoo (Their webhosting still sucks) by Z80xxc! · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I agree that it is great that Yahoo is supporting Apache in this way. However, their webhosting (which uses apache, by the way) is still miserable. I'm not talking geocities, I'm talking their Small Business hosting that they tout as being so great. One of the websites I maintain is hosted by Yahoo Small Business. It is possibly the most restrictive host I have ever had to use. The user has very little control over apache settings, and in fact cannot even edit the .htaccess files. The strange, unintuitive, dumbed-down interface is so annoying that working from a computer without ftp access is excruciating. So, yes this is a step in the right direction, but their web hosting services still leave much to be desired.

  22. Re:Yes, Apache is a legal US charity (Re:Tax Break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    so...who/what does the donated money go towards?

  23. Shame on Apache. by salparadyse · · Score: 1

    And there was me thinking that the tendency of Yahoo to cooperate with the Chinese Gov in tracking down "dissidents" would have made anything they did repulsive in the eyes of anyone with a heart. Accepting money off them comes under this assumption.
    Such optimism, when will I ever learn? We're in the West where anything goes and the consequences, as long as they happen to others elsewhere, are of no concern to us. Who cares if we do business with those who have no conscience?

  24. Parent is WRONG, not "Insightful". by Eivind+Eklund · · Score: 3, Informative
    Lucene is a full text indexer. It does NOT need MySQL full text indexing; it does full text indexing all by itself. This is a primary point.

    If Wikipedia had used MyISAM (or MySQL hadn't tied full text indexing to their storage engines), Wikipedia could have used MySQL full text searches instead of Lucene. That is a completely different matter, though.

    So, please, mod parent to oblivion. (And when do we get a "Wrong" moderation? It could be a warning to moderators to look before they mod things up again...)

    Eivind.

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  25. Wikipedia Search Sucks by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    The Wikipedia search sucks. It's case sensitive (but not always), doesn't use word stems (though it seems to sometimes), and has other inconsistent results that mix lexical and semantic matches with underwhelming effectiveness.

    Now Yahoo wants the same "quality"? Their creating their most successful competitor in Google has really maimed their senses over there.

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  26. Yahoo has become Apache's platinum sponsor by joaommp · · Score: 1

    And Microsoft will become someone's palladium sponsor

    1. Re:Yahoo has become Apache's platinum sponsor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Palladium? Or Plutonium?

    2. Re:Yahoo has become Apache's platinum sponsor by joaommp · · Score: 1

      No, Palladium, really... you'll figure it out eventually...

  27. Re:Go Yahoo. Hardware is king. by milsoRgen · · Score: 1

    I used Yahoo! for years. Only in the last couple did I switch to Google. The A-One reason being the front page. Thank you very much! ps the reason I used yahoo was the simple fact, back in the day (dunno if this holds true anymore) i used to be able to type in the serial numbers of long forgotten hardware and get back somewhat relevant results. Google I'm sad to say, has failed each and every time I've tried to hunt down old school and obscure hardware. Pretty much the reason I don't bother trying to help people with older computers. I just don't have the resources to track down old drivers, patches, updates, information for old hardware these days.

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  28. Re:Yes, Apache is a legal US charity (Re:Tax Break by lukas84 · · Score: 1

    Me.

  29. Re:Go Yahoo (Their webhosting still sucks) by ynohoo · · Score: 1

    well I'm still complaining about how they crippled Geocities. They crippled the access to try to bleed money out of the community, then after they destroyed the community they stopped caring, and made their ads more intrusive. If they opened it up again it could still be a useful service, but it has been bypassed by the blogging generation.

  30. Re:IMPORTANT SLASHDOT QUESTION by somersault · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Possibly because you aren't actually being relevant.. certainly aren't in this case anyway, hijacking some other thread with your 'important question'. And yahoosyourdaddy, that's freakin hi-larious! :D ho ho ho. Merry Christmas.

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    which is totally what she said
  31. Re:IMPORTANT SLASHDOT QUESTION by tyrione · · Score: 1

    Responding to the right parent poster makes it much easier on the reader.

  32. Re:IMPORTANT SLASHDOT QUESTION by somersault · · Score: 1

    I was responding to the 'right' poster? Or are you referring to his post? Tbh I dunno what appropriate place there is for his rant.. probably should just go in his sig or journal..

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    which is totally what she said
  33. Lucene by wicka · · Score: 1

    "Lucene provides search for Wikipedia"

    I hate to say this, but Wikipedia's search is godawful. Sometimes it's more effective to just type what you want into the end of the URL and hope you hit a disambiguation page or something.

  34. Yahoo's Search engine by cumin · · Score: 1

    Seriously, Yahoo's search engine is in some regards better than Google's. I read last year that they had better results as judged in a double blind and Google was judged better only when people knew it came from Google. Dubious, but curious, I started doing searches on Yahoo, sometimes just as a test, sometimes when dissatisfied with Google. I was shocked to discover that Yahoo did provide better results most of the time.

    Somehow, I'm still addicted to Google, but it's not always my first choice anymore. Certainly I'm still a fan of google, and my gmail still beats my Yahoo mail. Google supports Apache too, good for them! I'm not going to start using one search engine solely based on who they're supporting, but I'll probably start telling people to try Yahoo as often as I tell them to Google it... interesting though, now that google is a verb meaning 'use a search engine to find' I wonder if I'll hear people say 'google on yahoo for'.

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