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Report Says 36.4% of World's Computers Infringe on IP
I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "According to a new report by Digital Music News, 36.4% of the world's computers have LimeWire installed. Given their claim that filling an iPod legally would cost about $40,000, they're pretty sure that most of those computers are infringing upon at least a few imaginary property rights. BitTorrent shouldn't feel left out, though. BitTorrent actually uses more bandwidth, but the article suggests that this is because it is used to share larger files, like movies."
Haven't they heard of NNTP?
No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
If you count IP infringements made by software vendors. Face it, in the world where One Click patent can even exits, you're _guaranteed_ to infringe on someone's intellectual property if your code is more complicated than "Hello world". And software vendors can't guarantee non-infringement, either, because there are tens of thousands of vaguely worded patents.
Thankfully all of us that have eMule installed are downloading purely legal files.
What doesn't kill you only delays the inevitable
So I guess screw innocent until proven guilty.
Becuase I have bittorrent installed to download Mandrake, I *MUST* have illegal things on my machine?
Screw that report and the assholes who wrote it!
WTF? Over?
"36.4% of the world's computers have LimeWire installed"
That's some damned weak logic, since LimeWire's real reason for existance (and the RIAA's opposition to it) is for independant artists to get their music out.
The RIAA labels have radio and empty-v. Since the RIAA effectively killed "internet radio" P2P is all the indies have.
Now someone please tell me, I heard a song by some indie whose name I don't remember named "scatterbrain". There are literally hundreds of different songs with that name. How can I get a copy of the lagal song I want without ACCIDENTALLY downloading some crap RIAA song with the same name?*
The war against P2P is a war against their competetitors, the independant musicians.
-mcgrew
* Fuck LimeWire, Morpheus has a check box where you don't automatically share downloaded files. The RIAA can go fuck themselves. Hey guess what they are!
mcgrew's razor: Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greedy self-interest
So basically, -1 troll/offtopic is really slashdots way of saying "I hate that you thought of something before me."
~36.4% of PC users are freeloaders.
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E pluribus sanguinem
somehow, there must be a tension of powers between shared public wealth, and private corporate wealth. there is no such mechanism to legally reflect this tension in the current world. and so all we have is the the ever increasing encroachment of corporate ownership into what should naturally be public spheres of public ownership. and so none of corporate ownership can be respected. naturally, some of it should, but not the overextended monstrosity that the corporations currently expect
and it is not up to the corporations to restrain themselves. it is their job to squeeze money out of every possible nook and cranny. that is what corporations do, that is their nature, it is not their nature. we should not expect them to restrain themselves. it is our job to restrain them, so they do not become cancerous growths. and we, the legal world and our legal frameworks, are not currently doing that. so we must begin doing that then, so that some of private ownership is respected, not none of it, as currently is the case, because current private ownership laws overreach in time and in venue
as if these means somebody won't still make money, and good money! it is just that the old models won't work anymore, and the corporations are nervous about the unknown
in the current world, the legions of lawyers representing the corporations, and the congressmen they buy (sonny bono, et al) push the scales firmly in the direction of irrational monetization. in a world where i cannot play "happy birthday" without paying someone, something is seriously broken
it is not that we shouldn't respect morality. it is that we shouldn't respect a legal system that is seriously broken, and doesn't reflect morality. current ip law is nothing more than an overextended farce
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
31.2% of computers infringe TCP.
22.9% infringe UDP.
The report doesn't mention other protocols, but as IPv6 gains ground, we're all sure to see lots more infringement.
From the report linked to in the article, the data was collected when users went to a site (pcpitstop.com) and allowed their computers to be scanned so that the software could find "performance improvements" and make suggestions for their machine. Although I'm sure it was buried in the fine print of the TOS, I wonder how many people realized they were allowing this type of information to be sold to data mining and/or marketing companies.
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
Since the concept of intellectual property is almost completely meaningless, the title must be about Internet Protocol, and I bet close to 99% of the worlds computers have IP, and most use it every day.
Oh, you mean that 36.4% of the computers have tools installed that facilitate copyright infringement?
Can we please stop using the term "IP" or "Intellectual Property" and actually specify what we are talking about, which in this case is copyright infringement? Especially since the source articles never use either of those two term in them?
It would be very hard to infringe on trademarks using limewire or bittorrent in any way, and the same goes for patents unless the patents cover the implementation of the software.
If I have nothing to hide, don't search me
Well it says "iPod" and not what size. I did an estimate with an 80GB size. I came up with ~$17000 to fill it (20000 songs says Apple). I am guessing that most of my CDs have 12 or so songs on them. If you just use the $0.99 a song from iTunes, then it would of course be ~$20000. There is a 160GB version, so I suppose that is the $40000 they are figuring on. But, I've got a bunch of albums I've bought legally for less than $10 an album, so I don't think that it would cost me the full $40K. Worst case scenario I suppose.
Everything you know is wrong, Just forget the words and sing along.
I have just scanned all of the computers on my corporate network. I have concluded that 0% of the computers in my office (out of 300) have LimeWire installed. I am therefore claiming that 0% of the WORLD'S computers have LimeWire installed based on my sample group. /sarcasm
I believe this is a valid comparison as the data in question was collected when users submitted to voluntary PC scans by visiting a specific website that 99% of the worlds computer users have never heard of.
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
Indie artists can use HTTP (and Torrent if necessary), theres plenty of willing hosts.
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You are assuming that all of those songs need to be purchased at $1 apiece. What about the CDs I already have at home? I know that Sony lawyer said that ripping even one song is OMG theft, but I don't live on her world. What about all the stuff I downloaded from eMusic when I belonged? There was a cost, but not anything close to $1/song.
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(Ducking and running from the inevitable Troll mod points.)
Have gnu, will travel.
Yeah, exactly.
Attention **IA, this is my current seed list, you insensitive clod
- debian-40r1-i386-DVD-1.iso [1180675963]
- debian-40r1-i386-DVD-2.iso [402297137]
- debian-40r1-i386-DVD-3.iso [24379392]
- debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso [0]
- debian-update-4.0r1-i386-DVD-1.iso [3342336]
- openSUSE-10.3-GM-Addon-Lang-i386-iso [917504]
- openSUSE-10.3-GM-Addon-Lang-x86_64-iso [1261568]
- openSUSE-10.3-GM-DVD-i386-iso [180797440]
- openSUSE-10.3-GM-DVD-x86_64-iso [819200]
- StealThisFilm.Part1.mov [428353952]
- strip_souffle_high.wmv [0]
It's either opensource software, or a couple of movie which are freely available.So could now please all this stupid companies stop equating "Peer 2 peer" with "Imaginary Property infringements" ?
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The premise of this argument is that no content worth having exists in the public domain, so any use of this tool must be directed toward infilching upon proprietary content.
Half of the motivation being the Mickey Mouse copyright extension act was not just to protect Mickey's inflated infantilism, but also to keep the public domain shelf as bare as possible, so legitimate sharing doesn't cloud the wolf cries of MAFIAA, where every untaxed gratification over every untaxed wire represents a pimple-faced insurrection against the natural order bought and paid for.
You're applying the adjective "imaginary" to the wrong noun. Indeed, you're applying it to a noun that isn't even there. You may not have noticed, but not once have I referred to "imaginary property law" (which would contain the ambiguity you describe).
It is the "property" that is only imaginary, because it is a non-rivalrous good with a very low marginal cost. In other words, we can both have a copy without deleting the other person's and it's cheap to make more copies. The law tries to make it rivalrous by giving the author legal rights to prevent duplication and certain other things, but it can't do much of anything about the low marginal cost, so a black market flourishes. Yes, they've tried things like blank CD levies, but those don't seem to do much.
As for the propaganda comment, I'd say that you must be new here, but come on. Believe it or not, I do not represent any government or business, just myself. To call it "propaganda" because you think I'm sensationalizing a report that's going to get passed off to those in power as saying exactly what I said it implies is a bit much. I know the report is badly flawed. That's actually part of why it's newsworthy.
Finally, you should have realized something already, but I can't count on that if you think that adjectives like "imaginary" modify nouns like "law" that aren't there, so I'll tell you outright: I know all this because I am the submitter and I was the first I know of to coin the term "imaginary property." Don't worry, though. You can use that term freely, as much as you want.
You're welcome.