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Jack Thompson Claiming Games Industry in Collusion with DoD

mytrip brings us a Wired blog about Jack Thompson's recent press release, which claims an "unholy alliance" exists between the gaming industry and the U.S. Department of Defense. Game Politics also has a discussion of Thompson's main points. From Wired: "Jim Blank, the head of the modeling and simulation division of the U.S. Joint Forces Command, says that commercial games don't meet the demand of the military, adding, 'first-person shooter games really don't apply in this environment.' Blank's point is that game-like simulations are a valuable tool for training soldiers in situations that would be too expensive to simulate in reality."

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  1. and? by spiritraveller · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, they use video games to train. Yes, they use video games to market to recruits. Yes, they are in the business of war.

    Somehow adding video games to the mix makes it more unholy than it already was?

    Whatever. Will someone just shoot this guy already?

    1. Re:and? by TitusC3v5 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Whatever. Will someone just shoot this guy already?

      Don't be alarmed, everyone. That's just the video games talking.

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    2. Re:and? by Seumas · · Score: 5, Funny

      By Thompson's logic, cars are training simulators for driving tanks and APVs and and RISK is a training simulator for conquering and destroying to build a fascist global empire.

      Why is this guy still allowed to tie up the media and court system? Why isn't he in jail or disbarred or institutionalized? He is the Jerry Falwell of videogames and at least Falwell finally had the decency to fucking die.

    3. Re:and? by Derosian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A madman is a madman until someone kills him and turns him into a Martyr.

    4. Re:and? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    5. Re:and? by thewiz · · Score: 4, Funny

      I forget the exact name, but it's one of the cognitive fallacies.

      Stupidity?
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    6. Re:and? by Fmuctohekerr · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I agree with you that no one is very good at following whichever "word" they consider to be from "God," however they define it.

      But let's be accurate:

      • The early Israelite leaders (Moses, Joshua, David, ect) clearly interpreted "thou shall not kill" to specificaly mean murder. Killing first born Egyptians, warfare, ect., all OK to them. David on the other hand repented for "killing" a fellow soldier over a hot chick. So there is a difference in Judaism.
      • Islam (the Qur'an) has the concept of Jihad, and spells out rules for warfare (not in a holy month, ect). 'Nuff said.
      • Christ was a complete pacifist in every way. "Turn the other cheek" and "he who seeks to save his life will lose it" spell out a very clear message of non-violence, even for self-defense. I don't think Bush has read this part of the bible. This does not apply to God, however, He gives and takes as He pleases.
      • Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism Dharma all consider non-violence to be a virtue. A primary virtue, in fact. I'm not sure elevating the concept to "sin" or "commandment" is quite accurate. I'll leave that question to someone who knows more than I do.

      Obviously I'm down with JC. Just a disclaimer. I am biased.

      But my point is that hypocrisy is harder to nail down in some religions than in others. Christianity, IMHO, makes glaring hypocrites of us all in short order. Christ set the bar ridiculously high. As was His point.

      Sorry for the appologetics on the nerd site.

      On topic, I'm all for video games depicting violence. I play FPS with my nephew all the time. Being human and intelligent requires some basic discernment, after all. Thompson should probably keep his mouth shut and not claim to represent "values" or any religion whatsoever, if he does.

    7. Re:and? by Courageous · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I mean really! You can't really "interpret" thou shalt not kill... that's unambiguous, entirely unambiguous.

      Well. I'm an atheist. And care very little. Be that as it may, why is it you are so sure? "Kill" is a modern word. And an English word. Surely you don't think that they were speaking English back then, right? The Bible wasn't written in English. That part was... what?... Aramaic? Old Hebrew? What was the original word used, and what were its connotations? And why are you so sure that the English word "kill" is a precise and exact carry over of all the connotations of the original word used? This needs some splainin'.

      C//

    8. Re:and? by Dragonslicer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My Chumash translates tir'tzeach as "murder". My Hebrew-English dictionary translates "kill" as harag or hemit. My guess would be that "kill" is the incorrect translation.

  2. Of course it is. We got ninjas and pirates too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...and we're coming for you, Jack. We're all out to get YOU, Jack. Boo!

  3. Re:Have a pretty white jacket, long arms. by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Freedom of speech and all that. Yes, I hate it as much as anyone that this guy can spew his drivel and waste valuable oxygen by continuous breathing and add to the carbon dioxide problem that way, but he still has the right to keep talking.

    I think the 1st is more important than silencing him. He ain't that important.

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  4. Parsimony... by RyanFenton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really, folks - which is a simpler explanation for these graphs:

    Violent crime rate

    Video game sales

    That (presumeably violent) video game use correlates with a massive secret drive towards violence, that is somehow counterbalanced in the overall violent crime rate, or that this (now) extremely common form of entertainment is at worst, on average, a similar factor in people's lives as movies or books?

    True, the ever-shifting and politically influenced definition of violent crime may have shifted definition over the years too, but I highly doubt any theories on that line would be able to mask the accusations Thomson makes about the use of video games in society.

    In order to match Thomson's account to reality in any way, you'd have to start making up any number of wild inventions to force the facts into place... kind of like what he's doing here.

    Ryan Fenton

  5. Re:It's the gamers! The gamers and the DOD! by fastest+fascist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But his whole thesis is that video games make people violent, and obviously he's pissed off a lot of said video gamers. How is he still alive?

  6. Re:WTF? by 0racle · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yvan eht nioj

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  7. Re:Mr. Thompson, should I interpret it in this way by innerweb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am pretty sure that was meant to be funny, but the truth of what is really being said is startling.

    He is anti-american, like so many other neo-cons. The reason they want to change so many things of such consequence is they do not like the US. They want a new country with their rules in place. Something much more akin to the fundamentalist Muslim countries or Mussolini's government. A place where their ideals and beliefs reign supreme without that bothersome interruption from people who would think or believe differently.

    I guess the scary part for me is that at one time, when I started learning about the neo-cons, I agreed with much of what I had learned. It was not until much later when I started seeing through the lies that I really got a grasp on what they stand for. It almost lends plausibility to those who believe they are trying to create a new world order. Because it sure seems like they are.

    InnerWeb

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