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Necessity of Dark Energy Questioned

ttnuagmada points us to an article about scientist David Wiltshire's suggestion that theorized dark energy is not needed to describe the expansion of the universe. His work challenges assumptions made about the distribution of matter in the universe. Early solutions to general relativity were based on a "smooth distribution" of matter. Wiltshire's approach focuses on a "lumpy" dispersal, which more accurately fits data from modern studies. We have discussed other theories about dark energy in the past. Quoting: "Through observational projects like the Sloan Digital Sky Survey and the 2 Degree Field survey, we now have a much better picture of the large-scale structure of the universe and we know that galaxies are not uniformly distributed. 'Rather, they are in clusters sprinkled thinly in filaments and "bubble walls" surrounding huge voids hundreds of millions of light-years across,' Wiltshire says.

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  1. Skeptical by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Mostly because of this:

    we now have a much better picture of the large-scale structure of the universe and we know that galaxies are not uniformly distributed. 'Rather, they are in clusters sprinkled thinly in filaments and "bubble walls" surrounding huge voids hundreds of millions of light-years across,' which we have already known for decades. He seems to think all the cosmologists who have signed on with the dark energy model are unaware of it.
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    1. Re:Skeptical by sam_handelman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just because you know that something is happening doesn't mean that you account for it correctly or fully appreciate the implications; I'm a biologist, all the systems I deal with are heterogeneous, and it's always a major bitch to deal with. That said, I share your skepticism but this doesn't strike me as implausible - although I know essentially nothing about astrophysics.

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    2. Re:Skeptical by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 3, Interesting

      From the article, it seems like he believes that this lumpiness was always there, rather than an earlier smooth distribution they've been assuming.

      While we might not ever know who is correct in this regard, I tend to prefer theories that don't have the need for dark energies, or matter,even if that really really screws up the equations we use to model the early universe. I think at some point every physicist just stares at a black board somewhere and says to himself " thats fucked up". We really have lost the elegance of the universe being a series of spherical shells rotating around the earth. Since that point we've managed to go through cycles of discovering elegance in the universe on a deeper level (the simple math of kepplar and Newton), and having to reject it for more complexity( Einstien's huge matrix of PDE's ). Let this be a lesson to us all, Don't let what should be prevent you from seeing what is.

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    3. Re:Skeptical by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He isn't saying that they didn't know about it: just that they didn't realize that they couldn't get away with simplifying their calculations by ignoring it.

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    4. Re:Skeptical by bigpicture · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Exactly, even though we don't need to postulate the presence of "Dark Matter" to construct mathematical models of the expanding Universe, Einstein did not need the "ether" theory to construct "relativity" mathematical models that incorporated how light seems to behave.

      Still that does not prove that the "ether" either exists or doesn't exist. Just that it is not necessary to incorporate into a mathematical model, that will more or less express what is observed. But we still have the question of "zero point energy", what exactly is it? And what possible connections or similarities might it have with "dark matter" and "ether" theories.

      I have my own theory, and it is about the limitations of thought or of comprehension. Thought itself seems to work on a relativistic principle, where the polar opposite is always simultaneously needed as a contrast. Example: Up/Down, In/Out, Near/Far, Good/Bad etc. etc. So Einstein's theory of Relativity does not necessarily explain how the Universe works, it only explains how the limitations of thought work. Thought as a medium of awareness can therefore never grasp the Absolute, or the Non-Relativistic Totality, because that requires a different kind of awareness than thought is capable of.

  2. Meanwhile, on the Neutral Planet by davidwr · · Score: 5, Funny

    As Zapp Brannigan is in lukewarm discussions with the Neutral Planet president, the planet's scientists are holding a lukewarm debate over the possible existence of Grey Matter.

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  3. I need my dark energy by russlar · · Score: 4, Funny

    'Dark energy', which researchers have spent years trying to fathom, isn't necessary to explain our universe after all I don't know about those guys, but I usually do my best work after a cup of dark energy.
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  4. Relatively readable survey of solution approaches by gyepi · · Score: 5, Informative

    ... can be accessed here: http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0510059 . A bit less recent (but even more readable) account is http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/astro-ph/0310342 . The first linked article also mentions the approaches featured in the slashdot post (this is an ongoing business for a while). For starters the flow diagrams in the front pages describing the options might be particularly useful.

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  5. Can someone please explain? by martyb · · Score: 5, Informative

    I did some googling and found David Wiltshire's home page which had links to his recent publications. That brought me to this full article which I am guessing is the one that corresponds to what was discussed in the original /. article here.

    I had a couple courses in astronomy and cosmology way back in my college days. That said, I can't begin to understand the details. I'm hoping someone with more knowledge and experience could elaborate. Is he really onto something that can dispense with the need for dark energy? And, if he is, am I correct in thinking this would be Nobel-Prize-Candidate-Worthy?

    1. Re:Can someone please explain? by SoberVoiceOfReason · · Score: 5, Informative

      I am, for the record, a physicist.

      Here's the slightly more condensed version of this story. Einstein's theory of General Relativity (GR), which incidentally should the Law of GR by today's standards, gives a large set of differential equations to be solved. When this was first being applied to Cosmology in the 1920's, some basic assumptions about the universe had to made in order to solve the GR equations: it is isotropic (same in all directions), and homogeneous (uniform everywhere). They were primarily made for two reasons: mathematical expediency (this is the simplest sort of non-trivial universe you can have), and this didn't conflict with any observations at the time. Solving the GR equations with these assumptions gives fairly simple equations for the time evolution of the universe, leading to the standard model of Cosmology (called the Lambda-CDM model).

      As you would imagine, we have vastly more astronomical data now then we did in the 20's. To explain what we observe now, particularly the cosmic microwave background data, with these evolution equations we need to include a constant expansion term. This expansion would have to be from something uniformly distributed throughout the universe with negative pressure (very reminiscent of phlogiston, isn't it?) which we call "Dark Energy". So, based on current data and using the standard model to explain certain properties of the universe, it must consist of around 73% dark energy. Considering that this is the bulk of the universe and that, other than negative pressure, we have no idea what dark energy is or what it's properties are, this leads to a scientifically troubling state of affairs.

      However, modern sky surveys show that the universe is neither isotropic nor homogeneous. Instead there is a tendency towards a bubble-like structure with large empty spaces surrounded by thin "filaments" of galaxies. Even still, the standard model which requires dark energy ignores these differences. So, Wiltshire's contribution is to replace the standard assumptions with this "bubble" model, re-solve the GR equations, and get new equations for the evolution of universe based on it's *observed structure*, not some simplified model. In his new equations, dark energy is completely unnecessary. Since the structure of these "bubbles" is so large, fits to the data with Wiltshire's model are statistically just as good (actually indistinguishable) as the standard model, though as a caveat not all of the calculations have been done. Not only is Wiltshire's model much better from an Occam's Razor standpoint, it may actually solve some mysteries which the standard model cannot explain.

      I really can't go any further and still call this a "condensed" version with a straight face. In /. articles in other fields, I enjoy reading the commentary from experts, so here's an attempt to reciprocate. Hope this helped.

    2. Re:Can someone please explain? by ErkDemon · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Nobel prizes are tricky. They're supposed to be for work that has some demonstrable practical benefit to mankind, so getting a prize for cosmology is difficult.

      Although the basic idea has been kicking around for a while (ahem), this work seems to put some numbers to it. Basically, current cosmology has tended to be founded on the idea of a nice simple universe, and when theory moved from a "constant, flat" universe to an "expanding bubble" universe, we still tried to maintain the idea that things were nice and orderly.

      This gave us the idea of an expanding hypersurface that was rather like the surface of an orange ... pitted and creased with gravitational detail, but essentially sphere-like.
      On the other hand, if you allow expansion to run faster in the less-dense regions, perhaps as a consequence of the higher rate of timeflow in those regions, what you end up with is a more lobed shape that looks more like a raspberry.

  6. Mini-Inflation events in Voids by skeptictank · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The fact that matter forms bubbles around the voids intuitively make me think that some force is pushing matter away from the center of each void. Perhaps the center of each void is location where mini-inflation events have happened and what we see today is the reslut of these events pushing shells of matter up against each other so that they form filaments and bubbles. Just a though, IANAP though.

    1. Re:Mini-Inflation events in Voids by LionKimbro · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't think so; My understanding is that it's the force of gravity.

      Here is the picture I have heard:

      The universe basically, from any point, stretches out in all directions. Gravity pulls a given lump in all directions at a given time. But local things are more powerful by the law of gravity, than far things. So things start lumping with their neighbors.

      Some lumpings occur earlier than other lumpings, which cause then to exert a stronger pull. These become the super-clusters (joining points between filament; such as the Virgo Cluster.)

      So masses are basically pulled towards the closest super-cluster. But, ah-hah, some are pulled strongly by *two* super-clusters. These become the filament ("bubble walls.")

      If you download Mitaka, you can see a lot of these things first hand, with data directly from the Sloan Digital Sky Survey.

    2. Re:Mini-Inflation events in Voids by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > Otherwise they should just sit there, riding along with the expansion of the universe as
      > a whole - no?

      They do, pretty much. Here is a crude, oversimplified summation:
      Since there is less matter in the voids than there would be in a homogeneous universe time runs faster in them then it would in a such a universe. Therefor the universe is older seen from the voids and so they seem bigger than they should be. Meantime down here in the matter concentrations where contraction due to gravity dominates time runs slower due to all the mass than it would in a homogeneous universe. As a result contraction seems not to have progressed as it should have. Taken together these effects give the impression of a weak but all-pervading force trying to push everything apart: dark energy. When you redo the calculations taking into account the fact that the universe is older where there is less mass and younger where there is more the need to postulate dark energy vanishes.

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  7. Re:Dark matter balloney by vertinox · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you cannot detect something at all with light or gravity effects, then it very likely isn't there.

    Are you so sure there aren't other spectrum's yet to be discovered? We just might not have the technological know how to detect certain things. Doesn't mean they aren't there.

    Take radiation for example. You can't see it, can't taste it, can't feel it and without the proper tools you'd never know you're sitting in it.

    Same thing for "dark matter". Yes it could be a bunch of baloney, but its the only thing that somehow makes the model of everything else work on a astronomical scale. Eventually, we might find some other explation but we can't discount anything until we can prove it false.

    Currently we don't have the means to prove it false so its just a big assumption. Hopefully the LHC will shed more light this spring on how matter works so we can stack the evidence for and against dark matter in general.

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  8. Re:Dark matter balloney by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you cannot detect something at all with light or gravity effects, then it very likely isn't there. So, the whole dark matter thing is equivalent to calling in the gods to explain the unexplained with something even more inexplicable.

    I would compare it to just calling something "X". However, sticking the name "energy" or "matter" onto an unknown may be a bit presumptuous. But frankly, I can't find a better description that rolls off the tongue nicely in popular press science articles. You can't just keep saying, "effect X is making galaxies spin faster than expected" over and over again. You have to name it eventually.

    Although, in the past they've often named it after the discoverer such that it may be the "Fergenhiemer Effect" or the like. Why they didn't do that this time with dark energy and dark matter is a curiosity in itself. I'll call it the "Tablizer Naming Mystery" after myself.

    Perhaps we can barrow from that practice: "I didn't get dumped, I'm merely in a "dark relationship".

  9. Re:KISS by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, physicists hate complex answers. The overwhelming guiding principle of physics is to describe the universe with as few axioms and rules as possible. Leon Lederman (former director of FermiLab) has a neat little passage in his book about the goal of physics being to produce the ultimate t-shirt: everything that's needed to describe everything written on a shirt. And not one of those XXXL shirts couch potatoes wear.

    If this guy is correct then it's a nice advancement of cosmology. From what's described in the article it appears that at least the sign of the effect in his argument is correct. You hear a LOT of these claims though, that explain one or two observations and conveniently omit a hundred or so others.

    And the article is terrible. It sets this up somehow as a battle between this guy and Einstein. Einstein postulated a cosmological constant (the equivalent of dark energy) because he wanted a STATIC universe and then retracted it when Hubble came up with experimental evidence that the universe isn't static at all. Einstein's theories have nothing to do with whether matter is smoothly distributed or not.

  10. Re:Dark matter balloney by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Informative

    You do know that the temperature of the corona has been explained by observation of the sun's magnetic field lines right? Your confusion stems from modeling the sun as a light bulb, rather than the physics.

    The shortage of detected solar neutrinos was explained by hypothesizing that neutrinos actually have a very small mass. That would imply that they oscillate between types, only one of which we were detecting. That implies that the shortage is made up by neutrinos of the two other types that we couldn't detect. Now, with better equipment, we've discovered that neutrinos do have some very small mass and everything adds up nicely. Sorry, but that's a TRIUMPH of quantum mechanics, nuclear physics and the standard model, not a failing.

    But if you don't like all that math, that's no problem. Please sell or recycle your computer, which is only possible due to all that math.

  11. Re:Relatively readable survey of solution approach by Chemicalscum · · Score: 2, Informative
    You picked on a particularly apposite article in your ref: http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0510059

    from the article

    A central question for this approach is whether the feedback of non-linearities into the evolution equations can significantly modify the background, volume-averaged FRW universe and explain the accelerated expansion without the introduction of new matter, or a cosmological constant [13]. Key to this issue is that interpreting observations made on a particular scale tacitly also requires the smoothing of theoretical predictions on that scale, and the smoothing operation does not commute with time evolution [14]. The Einstein equations are non-linear, and this non-commutivity means that the FRW equations, for which quantities have been averaged prior to inclusion, will not be the same as the equations and then averaging the equations.

    This defines exactly the questions Wiltshire seems to be addressing. His most recent paper on arXiv posted on 24 Dec (from a yet unpublished confrerence contribution) is here:

    http://arxiv.org/abs/0712.3984

    It seems like a good review. He may be right, but then again he might not. Only careful testing against the observational data will tell. He proposes to outline the differences in observational predictions between his "Fractal Bubble" model and the current Lamba CDM model in a forthcoming paper.

  12. Re:Dark matter balloney by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Informative

    You confound dark energy with dark matter. They are very, very different concepts. This paper deals with dark energy.

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  13. Re:Seems to Make Sense by boot_img · · Score: 2, Informative

    IAAAP: The explosion model was ruled out in the late 1980's. Why? velocities of galaxies are not compatible with observations.

  14. That makes sense, but by shadowofwind · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why have they been wasting our time with this dark energy stuff for the last decade then? Why posit the dark energy if its only needed to fix a model that was derived with what has for a while now known to be a false assumption? It seems stupid. Instead of endless science articles on dark energy, instead there should have been articles on scientists working to solve pde's with really hard constraints that match modern astronomical observations. I don't get it. Is there more to the story?