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i-Snake, a New Robotic Surgeon

Roland Piquepaille noted coverage of the iSnake Robotic Surgeon which is basically a super flexible robot that can travel through blood vessels and repair the heart. Of course the article isn't exactly clear on what happens if they gain control of the city's sewage system and take over.

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  1. Article short on details, title misleading. by palegray.net · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't understand why they're calling this device a robot in the first place. It doesn't operate in even a semi-autonomous fashion, at least given the information found in the (very sparse) linked article. I fail to see how this device is groundbreaking; similar surgical techniques have been in use for years. If somebody has a better link, or at least one that doesn't sound like a fluffed-up ad, please help me out here.

    1. Re:Article short on details, title misleading. by phillips321 · · Score: 2, Informative

      i'm not sure about robot, maybe a machine? but hasn't this already been done?http://www.forumpix.co.uk/i.php?I=1199036905

    2. Re:Article short on details, title misleading. by palegray.net · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly my point. Folks can also reference this article on endoscopy and related topics for additional information. While there may indeed be innovative research going on in the field, the submitted article is about as newsworthy as an advertisement for a wheel.

    3. Re:Article short on details, title misleading. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If somebody has a better link, or at least one that doesn't sound like a fluffed-up ad, please help me out here.
      > Select from people where time_spent_here > a_little_bit and ID = you.
      0 rows returned.
    4. Re:Article short on details, title misleading. by x_MeRLiN_x · · Score: 1

      If somebody has a better link, or at least one that doesn't sound like a fluffed-up ad, please help me out here.
      > Select from people where time_spent_here > a_little_bit and ID = you.
      0 rows returned. Given that you didn't SELECT anything, you would be given a parse error - not a valid result as you claim. If you insist on conveying messages to people with [insert computer language here] then at least do it right.
    5. Re:Article short on details, title misleading. by Zinob · · Score: 1

      And ad for the wheel? now that sounds like a larf: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/04/2214224

    6. Re:Article short on details, title misleading. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus christ, not only is this another Roland article, but then you come along again with your pointless and annoying forumpix.co.uk-spam.

    7. Re:Article short on details, title misleading. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      STFU, faggot.

  2. iSnake ? Anyone remember this song by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    There's a monster in my pants
    And it does a dirty dance
    ooo monster get away monster

    1. Re:iSnake ? Anyone remember this song by ud+plasmo · · Score: 1

      Is that a trouser snake in your pants?
      Or are you just happy to see me?

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    2. Re:iSnake ? Anyone remember this song by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Yeah ... MTV ran the video back in the 80's, I think.

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  3. As long as... by Urger · · Score: 5, Funny

    As long as they don't call it McSnaky I'll be fine.

    1. Re:As long as... by OECD · · Score: 4, Funny

      Snakes In A Vein?

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    2. Re:As long as... by dwillden · · Score: 1

      Or, Snakes in the Brain!

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    3. Re:As long as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      One man's -1 Flamebait is another man's +5 Funny.

      They are not mutually exclusive.

    4. Re:As long as... by Kiuas · · Score: 1

      Sounds like some Apple product.

      "I hate these motherfucking iSnakes in this motherfucking iVein."

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  4. Tagging says it all. by palegray.net · · Score: 1

    I had to wipe tears of laughter from my eyes when I notice one of the tags for this article: :"ohnoitsroland"

    To anyone who doesn't get it, don't worry... hang around here for a little longer and you'll understand. That tag just made my day a little brighter.

    1. Re:Tagging says it all. by Troed · · Score: 1

      I like that tag. It means there's an interesting article waiting for me to be read. The old days of Roland doing nothing more than pushing his own blog in all the links are long since gone.

    2. Re:Tagging says it all. by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      Hey, I'm not saying Roland hasn't reached a "come to Jesus" sort of understanding with the community, but you have to admit the tag does bring back memories of the good old days... this article submission really isn't helping to bolster his reputation, however.

    3. Re:Tagging says it all. by Troed · · Score: 1

      Agreed :) I actually went along and looked through the latest entry on his blog instead.

  5. Inevitable typo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i-Shake

  6. just a fancy tool for... by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    a more advanced form of angioplasty...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angioplasty

    rotorooter thats the name and away goes troubles down the drain...

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  7. bad idea by ILuvRamen · · Score: 0, Troll

    If someone's blood vessel is plugged up with cholesterol, wouldn't a snake get stuck and kill them? And if they break the chunk off that could easily cause a stroke. Plus a big snake stuck in your heart doesn't sound too safe either. And what if it doesn't want to get out and causes a hostage situation? Then what?

    Btw wtf is everyone's problem with Roland? Maybe I haven't been around long enough but my only problem is I can't pronounce his retarded last name and he looks like a douche.

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    1. Re:bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      The problem that people have with Roland is that when he first started submitting stories to Slashdot, the only link he included was one to his own blog, which included only a bit more information than was included in the slashdot summary. On his blog page one could find a link to an article/writeup elsewhere that actually contained information. He was using slashdot purely as a means of driving hits to his own website and nothing more. On top of that, his own writeups often contained misinterpretations of information that was contained in the actual story. In short, he didn't know what he was writing about, yet he was profiting from it. Only after months of people grumbling about this did he start including links to the actual article from the summary without having to go through his blog first. He still includes links to his blog here, but now that we can bypass it, things are much better. However, this being slashdot, people around here like to complain about things long after the situation has been remedied. He often still doesn't know of what he writes, though.

    2. Re:bad idea by thrillseeker · · Score: 2, Funny

      If someone's blood vessel is plugged up with cholesterol, wouldn't a snake get stuck and kill them? And if they break the chunk off that could easily cause a stroke. Plus a big snake stuck in your heart doesn't sound too safe either.

      Perhaps such concerns are why it's recommended that this be done under the supervision of a doctor, instead of at the back room at your local fried chicken joint...

    3. Re:bad idea by niceone · · Score: 1

      Plus a big snake stuck in your heart doesn't sound too safe either.

      No, you're thinking of a stake.

    4. Re:bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, people have submitted stories, had them rejected only to see the stories appear almost word-for-word the next day under Roland's name.

    5. Re:bad idea by blue+l0g1c · · Score: 1

      An iStake.

  8. It's almost eerie... by palegray.net · · Score: 1

    It's just downright coincidental that the article describes technology that closely resembles endoscopy, right?

    1. Re:It's almost eerie... by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, its like someone took an established idea and improved on it with new technology. Spooky!

  9. Snakes in the sewer? by ByteSlicer · · Score: 1

    Of course the article isn't exactly clear on what happens if they gain control of the city's sewage system and take over.
    Or worse, if they get loose on a plane...
    Or worse, if they make a movie of that...
    oh, wait...
  10. You insensitive clod! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a doctor, and I can't pick up chicks in bars over the weekend!

  11. Metal Gear Solid 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "- No ! The Robot missed the surgery operation ! - Oh my god ! Snake, Snake, Snaaaakkkkeee !"

  12. Can you imagine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Can you imagine having a Beowulf Cluster of these shoved up your ass?

    1. Re:Can you imagine? by AnotherBrian · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, I think we've all seen anime.

  13. I'm tired... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of all these motherfucking isnakes in my motherfuckin body!

  14. At Least by Symbolis · · Score: 1

    This time(well, currently) they seperated his BS from a BBC link.

    I think we need a custom snake for Pigpail, one that expands enormously once inserted into the vein.

  15. pond life by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    On top of that, his own writeups often contained misinterpretations of information that was contained in the actual story.
    It's like he applies a transformation that converts "X suggests that in theory Y isn't necessarily impossible, at least given condition yada yada yada, a following wind and the will of the gods" into "Y solved by X". It gets pretty tiresome after a while.

    It's pretty evident that he either doesn't understand the subjects he writes about or that he doesn't care about the truth. Decide for yourself which is worse.

    Plus he was and is a close associate of saboteur, bitchslapper and domain hijacker Michael Sims; that alone is reason enough to despise him.
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  16. It's the mending apparatus. by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

    Finally, someone has invented the mending apparatus, except they mend people, instead of The Machine.

  17. Why it is ground breaking. by DrYak · · Score: 5, Informative
    Disclamer : IAAMD, although surgery isn't my main field.

    I don't understand why they're calling this device a robot in the first place.

    Because, traditionally, all forms of surgery where the surgeon doesn't directly hold the instruments but control them at distance are called "robot-assisted surgery".

    In opposition, for example to laparotomy (the surgeons cuts the belly opens and works with his hands and instruments) or to artroscopy (surgeon make tiny hole in the knee, and puts a camera and instruments through the holes) or gastroscopy (a long tubular instrument similar in aspect to the i-Snake goes down the patient throat, the surgeons uses microscopic instruments which are inserted through a tiny channel inside the gastrocope).

    In the case of robot-assisted surgery, the surgeons isn't directly interacting with the instruments, but he's controlling them using a separate console. In fact, he doesn't need to be sterile or even in the same room. There are even experiments involving remote controlling the robot over Internet2 across the Atlantic ocean (a big publicity stunt for the ISPs involved, and the hope that one day complicated operations could be achieved remotely by the expert surgeons without needing to fly them to the actual place). This is actually safe, as long as there's a surgeon standing by which could take over the procedure in classical way (-tomy) in case the robotic method fails.

    So it's not "robot" in the "autonomous artificial intelligence" sense, but in the sense "remote-controlled machine where the work is done by electrical motor actuator and not the operator's hands".

    I fail to see how this device is groundbreaking; similar surgical techniques have been in use for years.

    There's two reasons why the device is ground breaking.

    The first is a political one : until now we completely lacked competition in the market. The most wide spread robot currently is the Da Vinci by Intuitive Surgical and the problem is that they have bought their concurrent in the field, so they are currently the sole providers for robotic surgery solutions. The surgeon that I know vehemently criticize this lack of concurrence (and slow speed at wich the prices lowers as a result).
    A new different company offering surgical robots will likely bring some fresh air in the market.

    The second reason is a technological one (that maybe isn't obvious if you don't work in that field).

    When looking to Da Vinci's picture, one realises that the robot is a very huge thing.
    The basic technique looks like all the different laparoscopic techniques : long rigid instruments that are hold by arms, except that these are Da Vinci's robot arms.
    The machine is big, a little bit slow, and takes some time to install and remove before/after each operation.
    And the problem is that it can only work inside a big body cavity (abdomen - it is used a lot for different gastroenetrological, gynaecological and urological operations). There's no way you could put a huge thing occupying 1m^3 inside a blood vessel.

    This kind of newer generation robots look like tiny snakes. The technique is similar to the different gasto-/colloscopic and angioplatic techniques : it's a long tube with tiny channel in which very long and flexible instruments go.
    Except that now the instrument are controlled by motors, AND THE WHOLE SNAKE-LIKE BODY can ondulate and reptate (like the actual animal it's named after) thanks to all motors that control it's body..
    This enables a lot of new possibility :
    - first it's much smaller than the older robots, so it will probably quicker to set up, and there's more room around the patient for the non-robotic personnel.
    - also it could be used inside smaller cavities : the article give exampl

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    1. Re:Why it is ground breaking. by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What a great post. Much better than the actual article.

    2. Re:Why it is ground breaking. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it's not "robot" in the "autonomous artificial intelligence" sense, but in the sense "remote-controlled machine where the work is done by electrical motor actuator and not the operator's hands".
      So an RC car is a robot? Stop redefining words.
  18. You know what by Shadow-isoHunt · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I'm rather annoyed with companies these days. Are you fucking Apple? NO!!! Then don't make an iProduct, if not that, then because prepending 'i' infront of 'x word in the dictionary' is fucking stupid in the first place, you consumerist whore.


    Not posted AC, bitches.

    (last explitive added to spite the lameness filter)

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    1. Re:You know what by AnotherBrian · · Score: 1

      Thank you! I came in here to post the exact same think. I am so fucking sick of i[word] product names. iPod was irritating but ok, iPhone was really pushing it, anything else is way over the line.

  19. Perhaps... by jrothwell97 · · Score: 1

    I assume that iSnake will lock itself to a particular health insurance provider, still to be announced by the manufacturer, and will be bricked on software updates if found to be unlocked?

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  20. oh .. nice! by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    I didn't know there were cheaper places around to get some surgery done...

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    1. Re:oh .. nice! by ILuvRamen · · Score: 1

      yeah, Canada! Didn't you get the e-mail? (yes it's mostly drug spam but some seriously is canadian medical procedure spam)

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  21. What about the blood by begonia · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of course, one of the major reasons why endovascular microsurgical technology hasn't caught on yet is all the blood that gets in the way. Hey, it sort of cuts down on visual acuity. If you were to attempt to operate endoscopically on a cardiac valve, you would need to either do things under radiologic control (quite limiting) or under direct vision (such as thru fiberoptics). But you need to move the blood out of the way to be successful and no one has come up with a good way of doing this yet without cardiac bypass.

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    1. Re:What about the blood by Ted+D.+Hoise · · Score: 1

      It does seem like, if you could overcome the blood issue, that a lot of blood vessel type surgery could be done thru an endoscope. A lot of the problem seems to be cholesterol plaque build up and that could probably be cut out or trimmed down under direct microscopic vision.

    2. Re:What about the blood by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Hey, it sort of cuts down on visual acuity
      Couldn't you like dilute it with lots of water or something?
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  22. future meme by dafing · · Score: 1

    Im Sitting Here On An Excercycle And Almost Hit The Handlebars from laughing at that. Like most other people I didnt see Snakes on a plane but damn, I can imagine "I have had it with these MF Snakes in this MF Brain!" lol. Thanks for a laugh.

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  23. Oblig. by dave_h_in_philly · · Score: 2, Funny

    Seems like iSnake would be a better name for a robotic lawyer... rimshot!

  24. Domain-specific vocabulary by DrYak · · Score: 3, Informative

    So an RC car is a robot? Stop redefining words.


    I'm not personnaly re-inventing words.
    It's just that in some specific field, the word aren't used in the exact same way as the average /.er use them.

    In the case of Medicine autonomous A.I. isn't required to call something a "robot" (probably rooted to the fact that for a lot of actions in the medical field, a decision from a formed specialist is always required). In fact with your definition a pacemaker in automatic mode should be called a robot as it can autonomously decide when to fire. It's not the case.

    In fact, in the military field as far as I've read, it seems that the word "robot" is also used for a lot of remote controlled device like defusing/demining machine, so apparently we aren't the only one using this king of vocabulary (probably also for the same reason as a human is always mandatory to pull the trigger and that autonomous armed machine were a big no-no until very recently).

    Although, about autonomous surgery, there are research into developing techniques were surgeon first train and try an operation virtually on simulation, recording their best performance and restarting the simulation when unhappy, and then have robot "replay" the best scenario recorded on the actual patient. But that won't see the light. Machines performing actions on their own without human supervision is a big taboo in medicine, even if the public opinion seems to tolerate more from machine than humans.
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    1. Re:Domain-specific vocabulary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up for not calling the AC an ignorant cocksucker. I would have.

  25. A very creative name!! by listen_to_blogs · · Score: 0

    Snake robot, a very creative name indeed for a medical device!! listen_to_slashdot

  26. Apple? by Coldness · · Score: 1

    $10 says Apple has a fit over them calling it something prefixed with an i.