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Is Apple Killing Linux on the Desktop?

Domains May Disappear writes "Chris Howard has an interesting commentary at Apple Matters on recent trends in OS market share that says that while OS X has seen continual growth, from 4.21% in Jan 2006 to 7.31% in December 2007 at the same time, Linux's percentage has risen from only 0.29% to 0.63%. The reasons? 'Apple has Microsoft Office, Linux doesn't; Apple has Adobe Creative Suite, Linux doesn't; Apple has easily accessed and easy to use service and support, Linux doesn't; Apple is driven by someone who has some understanding of end-user needs, Linux is not,' says Howard. 'Early in the decade it seemed that if you wanted a Windows alternative, Linux was it. Nowadays, an Apple Mac is undoubtedly the alternative and, with its resurgence and its Intel base, a very viable one.'"

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  1. my rebuttal by Reverend528 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    linux has apt, apple doesn't;

    1. Re:my rebuttal by AmaDaden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple might be good for a grandma or for a graphic designer, but for a programmer it's an annoyance.
      Exactly. Keep in mind since most people are not and will not ever be programmers I fully expect these kinds of numbers. Us Slashdot readers can hate using macs all we want but I know that I am grateful that OS X is Unix based and is gaining ground over Windows. It is far easier to port from OS X to Linux then from Windows to Linux. This means that in a world where OS X is king a programmer should have no problem getting Linux support for his hardware and games. Good OS X numbers are GOOD for Linux.
    2. Re:my rebuttal by u-bend · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not to be mean but Ubuntu, and Red hat have 1/4 of the pacakges of Debian apt suppositories. You know, I enjoy Linux as much as the next man, especially Debian-based versions, but that's either a brilliant typo, an inside joke I'm not 1337 enough to know, or some aspect of open source I'd rather not know about.
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    3. Re:my rebuttal by jav1231 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So why didn't just keep it and load Ubuntu on it? Sounds fishy to me.

    4. Re:my rebuttal by Teilo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, thank you! For every barrier in Linux desktop adoption there are ten thousand Linux ideologues insisting that the barrier is a good thing, and you are just stupid if you can't deflibberate your cronoodleblitz.

      I ran exclusively Linux on desktop and laptop for 3 years. I ran Gentoo. I deflibberated many many cronoodleblitzen. I loved it. Still love it. Still manage 6 Gentoo servers.

      I currently run Leopard an a Macbook Pro.

      Sorry, but TFA's right. I run CS3; I develop in Eclipse; I have Terminal open almost all the time; I run Parallels w/convergence and effortlessly run Access databases with no library/3rd party control weirdness such as WINE/Crossover gave me.

      My business needs are broad. I live in a mixed Mac/Windows/Linux office environment. I commonly am required to mix graphics design, database, and server work all together into one project (image personalization, data scrubbing, variable data printing, bulk snail-mail processing). I need all the above tools. I could do almost all of the above in Linux, and spend hours being unproductive while I was just trying to make things work. Or I can just use a Mac.

      Someday, when life is simple for me again, I may go back to Linux on the laptop. (As it is, I occasionally fire up an Kubuntu VM in Parallels for certain things). But until then, I am very content with OS X.

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  2. Point of view by reynaert · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Linux market share has increased by 117%, while Apple's increase is only 74%.

    1. Re:Point of view by Neil+Watson · · Score: 5, Funny

      Someone promote this guy to VP of Marketing right now! :)

  3. Linux market share? by Scarblac · · Score: 5, Informative

    OS X sales can be counted, Linux downloads more or less can't.

    Also, those must be US-only figures, surely? OSX 7%!?

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  4. meh statistics by nevurthls · · Score: 5, Informative

    From 4.21% to 7.31% is an increase of ~73% of market share for the mac.
    From 0.29% to 0.63% is an increase of ~117% of market share for linux.

    Isn't that a bigger victory for linux?
    The relative market share increase of linux being about 1.5 times that of the mac...

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    1. Re:meh statistics by colonslash · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Another way to look at it is that 3.44% of the market has changed hands, 10% of that to Linux and 90% to OSX

  5. Yes, for me at least. by MBCook · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I liked Linux and was slowly switching until I got to see how nice OS X was and became (as it was released/updated). There is a very good chance I spent most of my time on Linux at this point if it wasn't for OS X. My brother is probably the same was, as are many others in small IT department I work at. OS X provides us the unixy goodness we love (command line and such), with a great GUI that's easy to use and commercial software and things "just working". I've been on a Mac for a few years now, yet I still discover nice little things (like my Mac keeps separate mute statuses for when I have headphones plugged in and not plugged in, so it adjusts automatically as soon as I plug my headphones in.)

    If you are not a hardcore FOSS person who wants the source to everything they run... OS X provides a fantastic environment for a great many people.

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  6. Source by thePsychologist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's much easier to measure OS X adoption since most of it is just purchases of Mac computers. It's impossible to do the same with Linux. Who knows how many Linux users there are out there. I've never registered my copy of Linux, for one.

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  7. Who uses support? by magister159 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Honestly, I have never thought of calling my operating system manufacturer for support.

    Perhaps it's because I work in IT, and I'm smarter than your average Tier 1 support monkey... But I can't imagine a normal person saying "I can't connect to the Internet, let me call Microsoft".

    Then again, I could be completely off base.

    1. Re:Who uses support? by Tranzistors · · Score: 5, Informative

      Microsoft could really care less about the average home user.

      It is "couldn't care less". The point of this expression is "I do not care at all, so I cannot care less, because there is no such thing as negative care"
      You essentially said "Microsoft cares about average home user and is threatening to care less." Which, I believe, is not what you tried to say.

      Faithfully yours, semantics Nazi

  8. apples 'n' oranges, perhaps by Quadraginta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These are all the reasons Microsoft gives for using their product, and I expect if their product wasn't riddled with bugs and annoyances, you'd be a closed MS shop.

    I think the bottom line is that Linux is, and always will be, a bit of a hobbyist and/or experimentalist bleeding edge platform. It's like the difference between commercial radio and amateur (ham) radio: the former is all about "getting work done," as you say, and so it's streamlined, standardized, and widespread. The latter is about experimenting with new ways of doing stuff, about cooking it up at home by yourself, about trying out your individual creative thoughts and ideas. So it's idiosyncratic, quirky, customizable, and thinly spread.

    Each has its place, of course. Without streamlined standardized production platforms, people trying to get stuff done who don't give a hoot about computers and software would be endlessly frustrated. Without weird individual experimentation, advancement stagnates. (I don't doubt that one of the reasons OS X is so much more useful than, say, OS 9 or, God forbid, that bombing monster Mac OS, is because it was goosed by Linux coming up fast from behind.)

  9. Re:Not Quite Universal by peragrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Guess what!!! some people don't mind paying for software. Especially if it is good software.

    Oh and you can use OS X with completely free as in beer software. I use Abi-word instead of Pages or MS Word.

    But unlike Linux I can install Adobe Photoshop.

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  10. You are right on by krog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mac OS X is the success of Unix on the desktop, period.

    There are a lot of geeks who are reluctant to admit it, though. Most people pinned their hope on Linux + GNOME/KDE for delivering us from evil. While GNOME and KDE brought Unix miles ahead in terms of GUI usability, neither matched the elegance and power of the NeXTSTEP interface developed years before; the evolution from NeXTSTEP to OS X has further secured this lead.

    The defeat of their favorite candidate for Unix GUI Savior left many geeks unwilling to even consider or support the idea of OS X as a real Unix, as an improvement to Windows or existing Unix GUIs, etc. Sour grapes, basically. The whole experiment goes to show that in software, as in government, in the ideal case you want a well-backed tyrant with his head screwed on straight. That's Steve Jobs.

  11. Linux has staying power by spiritraveller · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Linux's strength is in it's staying power. It's not going anywhere. You can't kill it the way you can a start-up company... or even a large and powerful company.

    It's still largely a hobbyist platform. (Remember, I'm talking about Linux on the desktop, not on the server.) But given a time-span long enough, Linux is bound to be a major player on the desktop (possibly even the dominant player).

    The economics of Linux don't place the same value on a perfected user experience. But it does place some value on user experience. That value only goes up over time. What was the most user-friendly Linux distribution in 1996? What was the installation like back then? Now compare that with installing today's Ubuntu or SUSE or Fedora or Mandriva or almost any distribution that you randomly pick off the front page of distrowatch.com. The difference is huge, and the user experience can only continue to improve.

    If Steve Jobs is the great master of the user experience, what will happen to Apple if when he quits or dies? I don't know the answer to that.

    But I know what will happen to Linux if Linus Torvalds dies... Pretty much nothing. Linux is analogous to the internet. It keeps getting bigger and better, and it has no weak link. The same cannot be said for Apple or Microsoft.

  12. Re:Not Quite Universal by Seumas · · Score: 5, Informative

    The one thing I hate about my OSX laptop is trying to get a lot of CPAN and perl related libs installed on it. If you just want to dump a pre-set LAMP (er.. OSXAMP? Whatever) on it, that's fine. But I was trying to replicate my development environment for a personal project onto my powerbook so I could carry it all with me and no longer have to telnet to my system to work on such things.

    I found a lot of seemingly trivial things to be absolutely tedious and borderline impossible on OSX. Something I could have just installed with cpan or apt-get on debian required that I install this lib. Then that lib. Then FINK. Then tweak a bunch of stuff. Then, finally, if I'd sacrificed enough chickens, I could install the actual think I had wanted to in the first place.

    I know that OSX is a huge platform among web developers, but I also know most of them are into dreamweaver crap and php, ruby, etc. But I know that it's big enough among them that it can't always be that difficult. For me, however, I simply wasn't willing to invest the absurd amount of energy and time to get my development environment going on it that would have taken me an hour from start to finish on any given linux system. And without that, there is absolutely no reason for me to own a mac (the unix underpinning being the reason I enjoy it so I can do my solaris/linux-ish stuff with it). The only exception being that I do love my powerbook, for ease of networkability in multiple environments and the rather rugged, durable, always-works consistency of it.

    I know that I have had to pull myself away from apple.com on more than a few occasions where I was playing with the configurator and so ready to hand out my cash like an idiot, before I came to my senses and said "but you're just doing this so you can have a new shiny toy -- there's nothing you can do on this box that you can't already do on your powerhouse linux box at home... save your $3,000+ and get a hooker, some blow and a couple midgets".

  13. Re:Lies, damn lies and statistics by kebes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    According to this there 1.26 billion Internet users. According to Wikipedia there were 1.4 million iPhones sold by October 2007. Assuming every iPhone connects to the Net at some point, that means ~0.11% of the connected devices should be iPhones, which is remarkably close to the number the article quotes.

    That having been said, I don't really trust the stats provided in the article. They claim 0.6% Linux usage, but most other estimates based on web traffic put Linux usage at 0.8% to 3% (and as we all know such techniques are inherently error-prone; e.g. Linux users may spoof their agent string).

    As usual, estimating Linux market share is nearly impossible. It can be interesting to look at the numbers, but I wouldn't make any sweeping arguments based on such uncertain data.

  14. Re:hmmm by Yaztromo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    But isn't OS-X...under the Aqua interface basically a *nix platform? So in a way, can't we possibly...if we wanted to be REALLY anal about it and help shove it down the throat of M$.... claim that with the migration of the Apple OS to the OS X platform from the classic OS (os 9 and prior), that we have actually dramatically INCREASED the adoption of *nix on the Desktop??

    I think this is an important detail. While OS X may compete in some peoples minds in the desktop realm, in actual fact they are complimentary. While some OSS advocates may decry OS X as "proprietary", the fact is that Apple releases a lot of the core of their OS as OSS, uses a lot of OSS software in OS X, and they embrace standards (as opposed to trying to co-opt them).

    What this means in practical terms is that OS X and Linux integrate together quite easily. For example, stick netatalk and Avahi on a Linux system, and you have a really easy and Mac-friendly file-server.

    I won't claim that Apple is always perfect, but at least it's fairly easy to use OS X with other OSs, especially when it comes to Linux.

    (I've had the thought int he back of my mind for some time that if I had the time and resources, I'd love to fork a Linux distro to create a Mac-friendly-Linux distro. All the parts are there -- it just takes someone to put them all together).

    Yaz.

  15. Source? by thejam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Could you point me to where I can find evidence to support this over/under-estimation?

    1. Re:Source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh come on, it comes from a 15 year old kid called "linuxrocks123", so it must be true.

  16. Re:Not Quite Universal by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There is a Adobe Photoshop codebase that works on Unix based platforms. When you ask for a copy for your Linux desktop, the reason the answer is no is because even though we've invested the effort and could give you what you want, for business reasons we choose not to do so at this time. If Photoshop used POSIX and Cocoa APIs on OS X then you might have a point since the POSIX APIs exist on every *NIX platform and the GNUstep implements a large portion of Cocoa and someone like Adobe could relatively cheaply implement the others.

    This is not the case, however. Photoshop on OS X is a port of the old MacOS Classic one. This originally used the Mac Toolbox. It was then ported to Carbon, which is very similar to the old toolbox APIs but tidied up a bit. When OS X was introduced, the few MacOS 9 dependencies were removed and it was recompiled for OS X. No implementations of these exist for any *NIX platform other than OS X. It would be easier to port the Windows version of Photoshop to Linux/BSD/Solaris using Winelib than the Carbon version.

    Of course, now Apple have effectively deprecated the Carbon APIs (no 64-bit version) and added a lot of things to make it easier to move apps from Carbon to Cocoa, this may change.

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  17. Scientists are buying macs in droves by Pausanias · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Ten years ago, a lot of us were using Suns and shelling $10K a piece for them. Then we tried linux boxes, which were like ten times cheaper, but ran the same software as the Suns ran. The problem with linux boxes, though, was the amount of head-banging required to get things like wireless and 3D graphics working. Especially on laptops, which only recently have caught up (thanks to the people reverse-engineering proprietary hardware).

    Macs were the perfect solution. They ran our geeky unix software. They ran powerpoint which most prefer for presentations. Wireless just worked.

    After a brief stint with macs, I'm back to linux. I love free software. I love the fact I can customize the GUI easily. But most of my colleagues couldn't care less. They just want their hardware to work. They will not listen to argument about free software and proprietary lock-in.

    Here's an aside about OS X that's relevant for people who work with PDFs, which includes scientists but I'm sure a lot of other people too. One area that OS X beats linux in handily is Preview, their PDF viewer. Preview does the following things that are much harder or impossible to do with linux software:
    • Convert postscript files to PDF that ghostscript cannot.
    • Extremely quickly search a PDF for a phrase, and display a sidebar showing all the search results, allowing you to quickly move between pages that contain the search term.
    • Easily cut-and-paste figures out of a PDF and save them as PDF, tiff, and other formats.
    • Beautifully antialias graphics before printing, even with complex color background.


    In summary, I love Linux, but I do believe that the article/summary have a point and that Apple's significant resources in (1) spending money on proprietary drivers and (2) developing software that is in some cases superior is cutting into Linux.