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Microsoft Giving Xbox Live Users a Free Game

Earlier this week we covered the Xbox Live outages over the holidays. Several users have pointed out that Microsoft has acknowledged its lack of performance, and is now offering a free game to compensate its users. Unfortunately for Microsoft, disgruntled patrons have already filed a class action lawsuit over the recent difficulties. Quoting the PC World article: "Xbox Live general manager Marc Whitten said that the problems with Xbox Live downtime were caused by an influx of new users who had gotten an Xbox 360 over the holidays. It's been a record-setting season for Xbox Live. 'This included our largest sign-up of new members to Xbox LIVE in our 5 year history and just yesterday you broke the record for the single biggest day of concurrent members ever on the service,' said Whitten."

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  1. Free Game by SirLurksAlot · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm guessing the free game is going to Pong Advanced.

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  2. dodge the chair by kie · · Score: 4, Funny

    will it be a game of dodge the flying chair?

    don't flame me please, it was just a thought!

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    1. Re:dodge the chair by beckerist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because I'm typing this on a legal XP box that has never failed on me in the 3 years I've owned and upgraded it.
      Because this is the first time I've ever experienced this on XBLive and I've been playing since Halo 2 was released.
      My Xbox red-ringed last year. Without a penny paid they shipped me a box in 2 days, and I had a working Xbox in 5 business days. Did it suck? Yep, but they took care of it as they will (and are) this. If people really needed the entertainment THAT BAD then they should have maybe played a card game with their parents. This lawsuit is dumb.

  3. Problems still not resolved as of last night... by toupsie · · Score: 5, Informative

    Last night was another terrible night of XBOX Live gaming. COD4 was unplayable online. At one point, while designated as host, my XBOX froze, unfroze, froze, unfroze and so on for 10 minutes. I couldn't even back out being host. The only way i would have been able to get control over my system was to turn it off. I didn't just to see how long XBOX Live was going to keep my XBOX 360 hostage to its poor performance while surfed for prices for SONY's PS3 gaming system. Now that nearly every major motion picture company has abandoned HD-DVD for BluRay and it appears Apple is going BluRay, the PS3 is looking to be a more desirable platform. I am really not satisfied with the response that Microsoft has put out and giving me a P.O.S. XBLA game I will never play for losing two weeks of paid service that still doesn't appear to be fixed isn't convincing me to stay with Microsoft -- not to mention the three times I have sent my XBOX 360 in because of the Red Ring of Death.

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    1. Re:Problems still not resolved as of last night... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You think that's bad? I was playing Geometry Wars last night, and FINALLY got over a million points, something I've been trying to do for well over a year.

      I scored 1.5 million points, got two achievements...

      and the leaderboard wasn't updated. It still has me at 700,000.

      Imagine if you actually made it through some CoD4 and didn't get the experience points/challenges marked done and had to start over....

      Seriously, it's been over two weeks and MS keeps saying that this stuff is fixed. I'm on my 3rd 360, and it's about to be the fourth...for as fun as its games are, MS seems determined to ensure that the 360 inconveniences its owners and push them towards the Wii and PS3.

    2. Re:Problems still not resolved as of last night... by Peil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Got to say last night was the first time in about 2 weeks I've had a chance to even look at Live, and boy was it painful.

      Took about 10 minutes, and several dozen attempts to even get signed in, once in the whole thing was running painfully slowly. Generally not very good, especially as I was seeing lobby issues on PGR4 BEFORE Christmas.

      Looking around the forums there are a lot of guys over on PA who are maning that every live user will get the free download, and complaining that Silver members will get the same 'compensation' as Gold. You have to agree that at some point the users who pay to play (roughly £40 a year over here on Airstrip One) are going to complain more loudly as they are the ones who cannot play online, as opposed to accessing marketplace content, but to moan about a 400 point XBLA POS does seem a bit cheap.

      What is worrying is that these issues have been going on for so long (4 weeks is a figure I'm hearing a lot), surely even MS would think that they should maybe chuck a bit more coal on the boiler?

    3. Re:Problems still not resolved as of last night... by noidentity · · Score: 3, Insightful

      'This included our largest sign-up of new members to Xbox LIVE in our 5 year history and just yesterday you broke the record for the single biggest day of concurrent members ever on the service,' said Whitten.

      With all that influx of cash, couldn't you divert some of it to funding, you know, new servers and stuff like that?

    4. Re:Problems still not resolved as of last night... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      'This included our largest sign-up of new members to Xbox LIVE in our 5 year history and just yesterday you broke the record for the single biggest day of concurrent members ever on the service,' said Whitten.


      With all that influx of cash, couldn't you divert some of it to funding, you know, new servers and stuff like that?

      Over the space of a couple of weeks?
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    5. Re:Problems still not resolved as of last night... by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately money can't be turned directly into servers. They need to be built and delivered, and have software loaded and configured. Give it a few weeks.

      At a guess, they might even need so many new servers that they need to hire or buy a new location and have it rigged with power and internet. That could take months.

    6. Re:Problems still not resolved as of last night... by ashridah · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sure, but are you working for a company with procedures regarding purchasing? You don't just wander down to your local store and say "i'd like a rackmount server plskthx" (or even give dell/whoever a call). You tell ops "we need more capacity for ." they say "okay, we've checked all of the current vendors whom we can support, and your options for spending are X, Y or Z." You go "hm, we can afford NxX or MxZ, but Y's support contract is too small. We'll go with M because it's > N."

      5-10 days later, ops has the servers. Then ops gets building services to ship them to the labs. Then ops load tests the servers. Then they set it up with management tools, setup backups, and add it to the automation pool. This is about 2-3 weeks later, at best. (remember, ops needs to do this for every other department as well as yours, which for Microsoft, is a *LOT* of departments.)

      Then you finally get your hands on it, and can roll your software out, scale test it, etc, fix bugs, make sure that it's solving the problem, go back to the drawing board, because it probably isn't, get software patches in place, etc, and then finally organise the new equipment to go live.

      By now, 2-3 months have passed. This is the same in EVERY company I've worked for, including microsoft. The process exists to make sure that people don't get screwed. The problem is, the process is slow, and that's probably unavoidable.

      Keep in mind that XBox is a loss leader. They don't have craploads of cash to throw at hardware, because they're living on what is effectively negative margins, in the hopes that licensing will catch up in a few years. Compare this to windows or office, where the profits are enough to fund multiple other new startup projects at once (Including the one I work for, thanks office! :) )

      So when someone underestimates the amount of xboxes that are going to get sold over Christmas, you're suddenly finding yourself short to the tune of N% of your required capacity, because you were saving money by operating at 80% instead of the 50% you'd be looking at if you could afford it. Keep in mind that the money from retailers doesn't filter back for a few months, as far as accounts is concerned.

      Also, I'm willing to bet that bandwidth isn't the problem so much as simple scaling. This could well be something that just requires some better thinking on the software side, but I don't know much about the inner workings of xbox live's server-side stuff.

      Anyway, to put all this into simple words. A bigger company doesn't necessarily mean that scale's an easy problem to deal with.

      ash

    7. Re:Problems still not resolved as of last night... by pembo13 · · Score: 2, Funny

      A week is more than enough time. This is Microsoft we're talking about.

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  4. Class Action!? by 91degrees · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Okay - I realise it's annoying when a service doesn't work, but only a little bit. Considering every single user of the service likes to play games, a free game seems a perfectly good level of compensation.

    1. Re:Class Action!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Considering every single user of the service likes to play games, a free game seems a perfectly good level of compensation."

      A good level of compensation would be making the service work, dammit. "Hey, Xbox LIVE isn't working, so here, have a free LIVE game. What do you mean you can't play it?". LIVE isn't working, the article says they're offering a free Xbox LIVE Arcade game. Could someone explain the logic behind this?

    2. Re:Class Action!? by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ... until it crashes the Xbox Live servers when everyone tries to download that game ;-)

    3. Re:Class Action!? by stuboogie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Could someone explain the logic behind this?"
      This is Insightful???

      So, you must think that the technical issues with Xbox Live are all part of Microsoft's evil plan? Yes, if you listen carefully in the direction of Redmond, you can hear a faint "Eeeexcellent!"

      They are providing an Xbox Live game as compensation because they expect the technical issues to be resolved soon. Is that logical enough for you?

      Really, I'm quite sure that those responsible for Xbox Live are working overtime trying to get the issues resolved. Do you REALLY think MS wants bad PR over the online service for their console?? They have taken it in the shorts financially trying to get the Xbox into the console market. Now that they are actually seeing some improvements in market share, they're just going to alienate their new found customers?? It seems that they had a much higher than anticipated growth in the 4th quarter of '07. Maybe someone dropped the ball in being prepared, but they will get the issues resolved as quickly as possible.
      Why? Because it is good for business. Xbox Live is a huge selling point for their console.

      As a consumer, I would be upset if the service I paid for did not work. In this case, MS is offering a form of compensation. Is this form of compensation adequate for all users? I would say probably not. I'm sure many would prefer a refund. Well, how much is MS required to refund to all users? Do they just give everyone $5 back? In my opinion, extending each users subscription by a month would be a more equitable compensation than an arcade game that many may not even want. Still, I'm not sure MS is legally bound to provide any compensation for these issues, but they have. To file a class-action lawsuit is a bit over the top though, and I doubt it will go anywhere.

      On a side note. How are the online services for the other consoles doing????

    4. Re:Class Action!? by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Uh, lawyers can't feed their families on video games! Geez, won't someone think of the lawyers? If companies could premtively fix things by giving out the refunds or bonuses or rebates they would probably be forced to give out from a class action lawsuit, then by God, the _LAWYERS WOULD NOT MAKE MONEY_. Do you want to live in a world like that? Do you?!?! I didn't think so.

  5. Same old story... by Life2Short · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Years ago I used to play Asheron's Call. In those days, Microsoft owned the game, and instead of logging directly onto the servers you had to pass through Microsoft's "Gaming Zone." This was later extended to requiring Internet Explorer to access a Microsoft Passport account to log in to the Gaming Zone so you could get to Asheron's Call. Thanks to this convoluted system, there were a LOT of connection problems that weren't addressed until Microsoft finally sold the game back to Turbine, and you could log directly onto the Turbine servers.

    Good luck XBOX Live customers, and don't hold your breath...

  6. Re:uptime by qbzzt · · Score: 4, Funny

    9.09999% Five nines, as promised. ;-)

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  7. Class action? by ricebowl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Given the results of the class action law suit against Sony, due to the unlawful/undisclosed root-kitting of consumers' computers, I can imagine that the free game, already offered by Microsoft, is probably going to exceed any class action payout. Unless, of course, you happen to be a lawyer.

    In which case it's probably a worth-while pursuit.

    I aren't a member of X-Box Live though, so your level of frustration may make it worth the time, though if you were frustrated by poor service over the holidays I can't imagine that a law suit will be any less frustrating...

  8. If this all had to do with the holiday weekend... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...then why is it still happening, now?

    I don't know if it's lawsuit-worthy, but the notion that they were unprepared for an influx of new users during the holiday season is pretty much inexcusable. Besides, let's say they make the free game available tonight; we still can't sign in our profiles to get it.

    Microsoft really just had to maintain its velocity in order to handily beat the PS3. Screw-ups like this are going to send their potential customer base over to their rivals in droves. Granted, the online experience on the PS3 and Wii is fairly primitive compared to XBL, but there haven't been any of these sensationalist reports to indicate that they don't work.

    Blech.

  9. pretending they didn't see this coming? by v1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's not like this was a SURPRISE to them. They SELL the units, the have absolute control over how many units are sold. If your netgame people say the current network can support 80,000 users, you DON'T SELL 200,000 UNITS until you have upgraded your network. (numbers fabricated but you get the idea)

    This was entirely their responsibility, and I cannot believe they did not see this coming. What it came down to is they wanted to do a money grab for the holidays so they made as many units as they possibly could, to hell with the network until we get past christmas then we'll divert resources from production to upgrade the net so they can USE the product.

    Not saying it's unexpected, just shameful is all. Nothing new there in business.

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    1. Re:pretending they didn't see this coming? by Omnedon · · Score: 2, Insightful
      They sold tens of thousands of units (per day) with the majority of those units being wrapped in shiny paper.

      Network services was (probably) ingnored as "crying wolf".

      Then over the course of one day all of the shiny paper comes off and then fingers are pointed at network services.

      I have seen too many instances of one division ignoring another until a scapegoat is needed.

    2. Re:pretending they didn't see this coming? by AndrewM1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Remember that only a portion of XBoxes sold will ever show up on XB Live - I own an XBox 360, and I've never once connected it to the net. Hence, Microsoft has to make a guess at what portion of sold XBoxes will wind up on the net, and apparently guessed wrong. (I.e. The net supports 100,000, and we sell 200,000 but only about 1 in 2 ever gets onto the net, so we're good) Still really dumb, but a far cry from the picture of them malevolently planning network outages that you paint.

  10. They paid for it by mangu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's just a gaming console

    The basic idea of money is that one dollar is just as good as another. If the customers paid for something they didn't get, it doesn't matter what was being bought, they have the right to be compensated.

    1. Re:They paid for it by mangu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And Microsoft is giving them a free game

      I said a dollar is as good as any other, but a game isn't necessarily as good as any other. FTFA, "Whitten stopped short of identifying the game or when, exactly, it would be available". If I paid for a service I would want exactly that, not a game as a replacement, no matter the game's price.


      Besides, considering that Microsoft is offering a free download, they are giving away nothing but some downloaded bytes, which their crappy service should have provided in the first place. It's not as if they were having the expense of printing a DVD or something like that.


      The *value* of the game they are giving isn't the same as the *price* of the same game in the market. If you give me something that costs you a few cents to produce, and I wouldn't be willing to buy, you cannot argue that you are giving me the full shelf price of that product.

    2. Re:They paid for it by Kalriath · · Score: 2, Informative

      Besides, considering that Microsoft is offering a free download, they are giving away nothing but some downloaded bytes, which their crappy service should have provided in the first place. It's not as if they were having the expense of printing a DVD or something like that No, they're giving you something you would otherwise not have received without paying for it. Just because it's downloaded, does not mean that it's value is zero. And no, their "crappy service" should [i]not[/i] have provided those particular bytes to you in the first place, not without paying extra.

      To Microsoft, there is a very real cost involved in providing you a free game - if you ever took economics, you would have learned about "Opportunity Cost" - where basically giving you the game costs them the full cost of the game as they have given up the opportunity to charge you for it. Although the opportunity cost decreases on average as it encounters people who would otherwise not have bought it anyway, the chance of it approaching zero is virtually non-existent.

      Oh, and provisioning it to silver members too incurs an actual physical cost, as silver members do not contribute to the upkeep of the network, therefore any bandwidth they use is sunk cost (after all, Microsoft DOES have to pay for it).

      You're just trying to justify why they should give you something for free, when in reality they have no obligation to give you anything at all (try reading to terms and conditions of service).

      Though, it would be better just giving the value of the arcade game in MS points and letting us decide what to put it towards, that'd probably go down better.
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  11. Windows servers, what do you expect? by Marcion · · Score: 4, Funny

    TFA says that Microsoft 'was "disappointed" with Xbox Live's performance'

    Well it should blame the server software vendor for the lack of concurrency ... oh it's Microsoft.

  12. Live? or not.. by Endo13 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe now people will see why having all your online PC games tied to a MS Live service is a terrible idea.

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  13. tsk tsk tsk.... by 3seas · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...a great promotion is to fail and blame it on popularity abundance.

    Do we have any examples of high user load being successfully maintained?

  14. In Other News: Sony says... by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Our network works just fine... please somebody use it"

    1. Re:In Other News: Sony says... by gamer4Life · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a great thing that it's free. Not sure why people would want to pay for online and add another $250 to their total cost of gaming over the life of their console.

  15. He's full of crap. by tgd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    These problems started two weeks before the Christmas holidays. In my case on the first reboot after the winter software update was installed.

    They're making excuses. It has nothing to do with Christmas gifts.

  16. Microsoft Giving Xbox Live Users a Free Game by galleyslave · · Score: 4, Funny

    WEAK MINDED FOOLS JOIN IN CLASS ACTION LAW SUIT Jan 6, 2008. A bunch of simpering idiots caught unaware by overloaded servers were today taken by ambulance to local hospitals in various locations around the U.S. The idiots were all suffering from mental breakdowns brought on by online game server failures and overloading at various Microsoft data centers around the country. "I was just playing my game and, um, it just suddenly locked up on me!" ranted Mike Hunt of Birdflip, Arkansas, "and those Microsoft bastards wouldn't even answer the phone when I called! I was, like, FREAKING OUT and they wouldn't answer the phone! It was horrible and I pee'd my pants because I was on the phone for so long. They deliberately WOULDN'T ANSWER!" After being sedated, a Microsoft Xbox 360 controller was pried from his left hand. Mr. Hunt is recovering slowly at Rapeme Medical Center outside of Little Rock where he was airlifted after the local medical clinic facilities in his hometown of Birdflip proved inadequate to the task. It is unclear whether Mr. Hunt's medical insurance will cover the cost of the air ambulance service. Quoting Mr. Hunt's attorney, Don I. Cheatem, "We'll sue Microsoft for the air ambulance costs too. The devils in Redmond won't get away with this. It's just a simple computer game and now my client is in the hospital. Microsoft should be ashamed of themselves. I've seen these kinds of products before. Remember the Erector Set? All those little kids who skinned their knuckles when their screwdrivers slipped during kit assembly? Right! We got those A.C. Gilbert bastards too! Imagine the nerve of those people suggesting in court that fun science, physics and chemistry education could ever take precedence over the preservation of perfect 9 year old knuckles." When pressed further, both Mr. Cheatem and fellow attorney Ramy Olbutt engaged in the class action law suit being assembled in Little Rock, stated for the record that online gamers are "very delicate beings and after long sessions at the computer when they should actually be outside getting fresh air or at least focusing their eyes on objects more than 18" away for a few minutes, things can get kind of tense. Microsoft knows this and must be forced to take steps to protect itself from all of the simpering weak-minded idiots and all of the scheming, calculating con artists. The best way to do that is to make every product perfect. We just don't understand why Microsoft refuses to do that." Microsoft lawyers were unavailable for comment. However, a long-time receptionist at Microsoft's central administration stated confidentially that, "These dizzy morons are all on crack if they think they're going to get a quick settlement and get paid off to shut up. Our lawyers will wrap these jack-offs up with briefs, warrants, affidavits, hearings, examinations for discovery and every piece of legal paperwork imaginable for the next ten years. If I was one of those morons I might just consider dropping this whole thing and stop buying or playing Microsoft products. It will take money out of Microsoft's pockets, keep money in the morons' pockets, and they can try their luck with other games and servers offered by other companies. GEEZ, what's the big deal? Those morons have just bought into a world of stress and aggravation. It's just not worth it." -33-

  17. As if they were the only ones with trouble... by Kjella · · Score: 4, Interesting

    On Christmas day a friend of mine had invited me over to play Bubble Bobble on his Wii, he was going to buy and download it on VC. He spent forever getting thrown out again and again trying to buy some Wii points, and then again trying to access the game library. It finally worked but it was not a very fun experience. Bubble bobble was though, but nothing beats the old version we knew on C64. At any rate this seems more serious but I think everyone's servers take a hit at Christmas. It's the console version of slashdotting, all the kids who got their console for Christmas coming online all at once.

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  18. Daily statistics of down time XBOX-live by cemaykan · · Score: 4, Informative

    I am tracking each day(every 10 minutes) the status of xbox live, and creating statisical images, this shows the biig picture on how "live" xbox-live actually is :) http://www.acddv.com/ Also these statistics are available for the public as-well Cem Aykan

  19. SLA? by HockeyPuck · · Score: 4, Informative

    When you buy a XBOX and sign up for XBOX Live, is there a SLA (Service Level Agreement) that guarantees uptime/accessibility? So under what grounds would you be able to file a class action lawsuit?

    1. Re:SLA? by MrJynxx · · Score: 2, Informative

      SLA's are generally created between the internal technology group and the internal users(ie. the business). Now I haven't read through the agreement but i can almost guarentee you there is no mention of guarenteed uptime for xbox live.

      Also it's considered a binding contract according to the ITIL definition of service level management for services provided to *external* clients (ie, everybody who uses xbox live). So that is probably why they're giving away a free game in order to avert the class action suit due to this binding contract.

      yes I know, I'm nitpicking on the definition of an SLA :)

  20. Frogger by westlake · · Score: 2, Insightful
    XBox Live Arcade is a collection of cheap and nasty games like Frogger which probably took a single guy 2 hours to code including drawing the sprites.

    Games like Frogger have extraordinary longevity and appeal. Talk to anyone who has sponsored a computer museum or video game expo. Its the "cheap and nasty" classics that draw the crowds.

    1. Re:Frogger by stuboogie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My daughter is seven. She plays new games on Gamecube, Xbox and Wii. However, she still loves playing some of the old games like Pacman and the original Super Mario Brothers.

      Games that had appeal when we were young are still going to have appeal now, if they are a good game. Graphics are just eye candy. I love the new graphics on games now, but if the game play sucks then what good is it?

      The Wii is the prime example. It doesn't have the amazing graphics of the 360 or PS3, but it is kicking their butts in sales.

  21. Re:If this all had to do with the holiday weekend. by jounihat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Granted, the online experience on the PS3 and Wii is fairly primitive compared to XBL... Fairly primitive? I can play Resistance in PSN with 39 other players without any lag whatsoever. Maybe XBL has some advantages over PSN, but that argument works vice versa also. I think in the end they're both quite on par at the moment.
  22. Re:Microsoft Blasting by Flipao · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'll bite, this is not just about a bunch of gaming servers going down, this is about Microsoft wanting everything to go through their servers, and then being unable to cope with it.

    1. microsoft is apparently doing something about it on their own EVEN THOUGH SOME DOUCHE is trying to get free money from them because their game didn't work for a couple days. Waah waah waah.

    It was not a couple days, it was a couple weeks. A couple days it's fine, some people may have gotten an XBOX for XMas, as far as they knew, that's how it was always going to be...

    2. you accept an agreement that says if the service doesn't work all the time, you give up responsibility.

    XBOX 360 users have no choice but to accept the agreement, there's no other way for them to play online.

    3. Xbox live is one of the few services that actually has a customer service line. IN THE US. Your dell, dude, doesn't even have that.

    The issue is not customer service, it's reliability... having "Steve" read lines off a script with a fake Boston accent won't bring the servers back online.

    4. go outside and play.

    But... but... I just spent hundreds of dollars on this shiny games console.... besides, it's cold and I lost my legs on a bizarre cooking accident.

    5. They don't have to do a DAMN thing about it and most people would still accept it.

    Actually they do, a good chunck of their users pay monthly fees, also, their LIVE service is going to be added for Windows as well, where they have to compete aganist services like Steam.

    6. Lemme guess, if Google had a game console, it would always work perfectly.

    The best thing about Google: You can always go somewhere else, which is why it's always up.

    7. Did you notice that nintendo shipped thousands of wiis with faulty video cards? I have one, it sucks, i'm sending it back, but thems the breaks. Are you telling me that you have never bought a new complex electronic item and had it not work properly and had to replace it? is that unique to microsoft?

    This is so off the mark... but ok: If you purchase a faulty item, you can take it back to the shop and get another one. XBOX Live is the only way for XBOX users to get online.

    8. I think that it's obvious that they realize that they need to serve their customers to keep them, and that xbox and live are a big part of that. if it wasn't they wouldn't even bother.

    That's the thing isn't it... just imagine what kind of service you'd get if they weren't trying hard... now, some people purchase DRM'ed music, and depend on Microsoft's servers to license their tracks, or when using Windows Update, a false positive could cause Windows Vista to cripple your PC.... I think it's not a bad idea to be ready to snap at Microsoft the second they screw up, because if you don't, then they'll screw up a lot more often.
  23. Re:Microsoft Blasting by KillerBob · · Score: 2, Informative

    3. Xbox live is one of the few services that actually has a customer service line. IN THE US. Your dell, dude, doesn't even have that.


    Psst.... Yes they do. well, not in the US. But in Canada. All XPS technical support for North America is done out of a call center in Ottawa, Ontario. That's for the US and Canada, in both English and French, Spanish is done out of Panama. Likewise, for the business line of products... that is Optiplex, some Dimension, Vostro, and Latitude systems, it's all done in NA.

    Otherwise, I agree with you fully. Quite aside from that... a free video game is probably worth a lot more to the end user than any settlement they'd see out of a class action suit. And the fact that MS has already offered the video game of their own volition probably means that any class action would get thrown out of court. It's pretty hard to prove damages when you've already been offered a freebie that's worth more than the cost of a month's subscription, let alone the 5 days that it was actually out.

    Obligatory disclaimer... I have an @dell.com e-mail address. :)
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  24. Live is still broken by byronblue · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am far from amused with a service that I pay for. It's been over a week now and I am not able to recover my gamer tag. What does that mean? Well not being able to recover my gamer tag means I cannot play any of my saved games or any have any achievements count (yeah big deal). Basically my XBox is rendered useless (I only play games on it). The worst part is that Microsoft has made no attempt to fully explain to its customers why and when Live is going to be working properly again. The support page says that it's "up and running", yet when recovering my gamer tag I get "signup to not available". I guess my biggest question is how can something be so damn broken that it takes over 3 weeks to fix??? Someone really screwed something up really badly over there. I don't give a rats ass about a free arcade game, I just want my gamer tag back! If Sony can make their online experience more compelling I'd actually start playing my PS3 (got it for free as a gift). XBox gaming is nothing without XBox Live.

  25. Way to go folks! by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah! Enrich some more lawyers who, in a more sane society with fewer whiny bitches, would be sweeping streets. Instead, they find enough rubes to sign up for a class action suit. The company gets a tiny slap. The rubes get a $1 coupon. The lawyers get to snort coke off hooker's breasts in the back seat of their 7-series. That solves what, exactly? It's a scam created by the legal industry and enabled by their buddy lawyers in government.

    Can we maybe start reserving the whole class action thing for, oh, I dunno, toxic waste dumping, or something like that?

  26. Go to the source, article is plagiarized by daVinci1980 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Honestly, the author took this posting over at the official xbox site, and then snipped together almost every single sentence with 'Whitten said'. Although, to be fair, I think about 15% of the middle of the article has some original thought. (The part where they explain what xbox live is). Of course, they could've just linked to the pages describing membership, instead.

    The author then failed to cite the original article. What a piece of journalistic crap. PCWorld, MacWorld and Peter Cohen should be absolutely ashamed of themselves for writing and publishing this drivel.

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