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Mathematician Theorizes a Crystal As Beautiful As A Diamond

Roland Piquepaille writes "Why are diamonds so shiny and beautiful? A Japanese mathematician says it's because of their unique crystal structure and two key properties, called 'maximal symmetry' and 'strong isotropic property.' According to the American Mathematical Society (AMS), he found that out of all the crystals that are possible to construct mathematically, just one shares these two properties with the diamond. So far, his K4 crystal exists only as a mathematical object. And nobody knows if it exists — or if it can be synthesized."

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  1. I'm sure... by Deltaspectre · · Score: 2, Insightful

    that the women won't think it as beautiful as a (natural) diamond!

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    1. Re:I'm sure... by ludomancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ... and only because it doesn't cost as much? I hope not, but I could imagine that. It makes me sick how brainwashed some people are in this regard (let alone others).

      Because of all the dirt surrounding the diamond industry, I will never buy one, and when/if I propose to my girlfriend she's getting a ring with any gem other than a diamond. (And not because I'm some cheap-ass.)

      Of course, any woman that doesn't accept you as life-partner because you didn't spend enough money on her engagement item is superficial, materialistic trash anyway.

    2. Re:I'm sure... by dasunt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you did want a diamond, there are non-African diamonds out there.

      For example, there are Canadian diamonds.

      Of course, there are also artificial diamonds, which, if I was getting hitched to a geek girl, I'd consider to be the perfect gift. :D

    3. Re:I'm sure... by syousef · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ... and only because it doesn't cost as much? I hope not, but I could imagine that. It makes me sick how brainwashed some people are in this regard

      Companies have invested a large amount of time and money to do that brainwashing. So much so that it's become part of our culture (as in everyone knows a wedding ring is a diamond ring...even though in reality the "tradition" is quite new). What's worse is that it understanding these things doesn't change the traditions, and will still want the traditional item.

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    4. Re:I'm sure... by splodus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My wife and I share your views; we lived together blissfully for 19 years before marrying one month before the birth of our first child.

      In the UK a father has no rights over his child unless he is married to the child's mother when he or she is born. He is, however, legally responsible for supporting the child. He can apply to the courts for rights, but even if he is successful those rights can be taken away following an application by another party at a later date.

      There have recently been some minor changes to the law (for example, it's now possible with the mother's consent, to have the father's name recorded on the child's birth certificate) but overall the law in the UK is heavily biased in favour of the mother unless mother and father are married. And after a separation, the courts usually side with the mother, and frequently grandparents, against the father.

      The only reason we married was because it was the only way to ensure I had legal responsibility for our children in the event of a tragedy.

      Compared to our love and commitment to each other, our marriage license is a pretty insignificant piece of paper that cost nearly a hundred quid that could have been put towards our child's university fund...

    5. Re:I'm sure... by ultranova · · Score: 5, Funny

      Because of all the dirt surrounding the diamond industry, I will never buy one, and when/if I propose to my girlfriend she's getting a ring with any gem other than a diamond. (And not because I'm some cheap-ass.)

      Why give a gem ring at all ? Give a simple ring, made of gold, with inscription inside, which comes visible and glows red when heated in fire.

      Yes, buy a wedding ring from Mordor Jewelers, Inc., and you'll never have to worry about your significant other abandonging you ! Guaranteed to be less evil than DeBeers.

      Mordor Jewelers Wedding Ring - because she's your precioussss !

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    6. Re:I'm sure... by Palpitations · · Score: 3, Informative

      there is also a company out there (sorry, I can't remember the name) that will take the cremated ashes of a relative and turn them into a diamond. LifeGem. They made news a while ago for creating diamonds from locks of Beethoven's hair.

      That said, I've seen some very, very high quality diamonds (I forget the correct way to refer to it, but it was around 2 carats, no inclusions, and a D - completely colorless. Essentially, diamonds don't come any higher quality). Side by side with a nice piece of moissanite, I'd take the moissanite. A quick search on it will find better sources and images that show why, exactly, but I don't want to link to a commercial site and seem biased.
    7. Re:I'm sure... by Tim+Browse · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For example if you think most women will simply accept a rational argument and be put off diamonds for a wedding ring you've got a lot to learn.

      Ha. Actually, you may be interested to know that advertising for diamond rings is actually targeted (albeit surreptitiously) at men. The message is: Women want a diamond ring. You don't need to ask them if they want it. It's such a deep part of our culture and their psyche that they want one. Just buy one.

      The reason for this is, the companies who make money out of diamonds did a survey of couples considering marriage, and asked the women if they wanted a diamond ring. A lot of women knew how expensive it was, and replied that they didn't want a diamond ring, and they'd much rather put the money towards a house, furnishings, a car, etc.

      This is obviously bad news for the diamond companies, so a few decades ago, the whole 'Diamonds are a girl's best friend' type advertising campaigns started, the whole purpose of which is to stop the man asking the woman if she'd like a diamond. Because quite often, she'd say no.

    8. Re:I'm sure... by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It doesn't matter where your diamond in particular comes from. If you buy a diamond at all, you're contributing to the high demand for diamonds. It's the same reason that US oil consumption props up the Saudis, even if we buy more oil from Canada than we do from Saudi Arabia.

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    9. Re:I'm sure... by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That cool...

      The correct way to ask a woman is not on your knees holding a diamond ring. The correct way is too drink too much, ask her if you should ask. Then she says: Try it.... Then you do, she says "yes" and the next day you wake up with a heck of a hangover and you're engaged (At least you vaguely remember it, depending on the amount of drinks.)

      Then you go shopping together for the engagement ring, and she'll probably choose something way less expensive than what you would have chosen. (Minde didn't get a diamond: a nice white pearl/white gold ring... very beautiful and not that expensive)

      Well, okay, forget the part about drinking, but just asking without anything to back it up and then shop together for the ring is much nicer.

    10. Re:I'm sure... by Peaker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course, any woman that doesn't accept you as life-partner because you didn't spend enough money on her engagement item is superficial, materialistic trash anyway. By requiring that the male spend a lot of resources on the gift, the female:
      1. Makes it less likely that this male is wasting his efforts on competing females.
      2. Gets proof that the male has enough resources that its worthwhile for him to spend many of them on her.

      Its simply the manifestation an evolutionary mechanism: the handicap principle.
    11. Re:I'm sure... by ePhil_One · · Score: 3, Insightful
      2 carats, no inclusions, and a D - completely colorless. Essentially, diamonds don't come any higher quality

      Thats 3 of the 4 C's, Carat, Clarity, and Color. A bad cut could definately impact the appearance of even a high quality core stone like that, and if the diamond wasn't certified, there's a lot of leeway in what the merchants call color D and no inclusions. (was it truely flawless under a 10x scope (IF or FL) or mearly to the unaided eye? Even w/ a bad cut and "no visible inclusions to the unaided eye, VS2), that would be a $20K stone, $30k if well cut, and was truely "ideal cut" and IF thats an $80k stone discounted.

      Man made stones are still having trouble getting past .5 carats when I last checked. Moissanite looks good, but check w/ the one you love before substituting. Its not about the money but about trust, truthfullness, and respecting what she wants. When I spoke to my fiancee about it, and the various trade-offs (she loved that I already knew the trade-offs), we wound up going a non-traditional route that I would never have chosen by myself. I still spent what I budgeted, but the result is both stunning and practical (huge solitaires have lots of impracticalities it turns out); and it now represents not only the promise to marry her but how well we communicate.

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    12. Re:I'm sure... by kryliss · · Score: 2, Informative

      If I remember correctly, the opal was the traditional wedding stone before all the "marketing" of the diamond.

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    13. Re:I'm sure... by smilindog2000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Its not about the money but about trust, truthfullness, and respecting what she wants.

      There's a particular kind of sea bird that nests in the SF Bay Area. To find a mate, the male goes into the bay, and brings back the biggest fish it can catch. Females wait on shore for a particularly good offer from a male who can provide a big fish.

      That's what diamonds are... just big fish.
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    14. Re:I'm sure... by sdpuppy · · Score: 2, Funny

      I guess that emphasizes the point that guys that get a girl using a big diamond as bait usually end up with a bird brain. :-)

    15. Re:I'm sure... by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, the above story was "my story"... Every word of it. Worked just fine. Been married to her since June 2005. I know it isn't all that long, but for now it works.

      That said, the American women I have talked to tend to get wet only by the idea of a big rock. Personally, I find them bland and uninteresting (the diamond-only rings, can't be sure about American women *grin*) Actually, the "together shopping for a ring" was perhaps as romantic as it comes. It really is fun.

      So, perhaps, do take my story with a grain of salt. I'm European, she's European. My way will probably not work in the US. I hope it does, though...

    16. Re:I'm sure... by Kelbear · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was enjoying the theory your wiki-link offered up. About half-way through I realized I was engaged in the male geek equivalent of a "How to Trap a Man" article in a women's magazine. Except ours comes complete with graphed functions with optimal utility points.

    17. Re:I'm sure... by adavies42 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Gold melts at 1337 K Proof that God exists, and is a geek!
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    18. Re:I'm sure... by theheadlessrabbit · · Score: 2, Funny

      a ring can be very practical if it provieds you with something like +10% mana or fire resistance.

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    19. Re:I'm sure... by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 2, Insightful

      then they wasted their money doing the advertising. I'm not that brain-washable.
      But you bought one, didn't you? Seems that the advertising worked just fine.
  2. In other news... by ScaryMonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    A Japanese mathematician has been found dead in his laboratory. Police say they suspect the killers to be jewelry-wearing silhouettes.

  3. that's great by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Funny

    just as the price of diamonds are threatened by artificial sources, questions about funding evil regimes, and anger at diehard debeers monopolies, promising that men can give women what they want for only $10 someday, this mathematician a**hole comes along with a totally new need-to-have impossible-to-obtain subtance that guys must fork over big bucks for

    curse you, mathematics!

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    1. Re:that's great by Ed+Avis · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's the thought that counts.

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  4. That's not right by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 5, Funny

    The reason diamonds are so beautiful is that every one of them represents gallons and gallons of blood and broken bones laying in the bottom of a diamond mine. Nothing is quite as shiny as pure human misery.

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    1. Re:That's not right by ConanG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh, what a load of crap. Not all diamonds are blood diamonds. Not "every one" of them. And diamonds have always been in demand. Long before the blood diamonds of Africa. It's okay to be against blood diamonds, but don't go around thinking diamond==blood diamond.

    2. Re:That's not right by catbutt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well duh.

      Even so, if you buy a diamond that is not technically a "blood diamond", you are still supporting the market for diamonds and raising the price of those blood diamonds. And unless you are admiring your "good diamond" in private, you are supporting the culture of diamond-lovers.

      Which is a long winded and less clever way of saying what the parent poster said.

    3. Re:That's not right by Nazlfrag · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Simple difference, I don't want to boycott bittorrent because it is used for piracy, I do want to boycott diamonds because they contribute to human misery.

    4. Re:That's not right by chrish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Buy Canadian diamonds. Not only are the mines not owned by DeBoers, but we've got labour laws!

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    5. Re:That's not right by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Even so, if you buy a diamond that is not technically a "blood diamond", you are still supporting the market for diamonds and raising the price of those blood diamonds. And unless you are admiring your "good diamond" in private, you are supporting the culture of diamond-lovers."

      I just don't see it. Taking the time to make sure that you are not buying a blood diamond will increase the value of the diamonds that are legally produced. Making the effort to buy an Australian or Canadian diamond seems like a worth while ideal. As far as not showing it off why not. When people say how nice it tell them that it is an Australian or Canadian diamond and why they are better than blood diamonds. It would seem to me that you would do more to stop the trade in conflict diamonds by purchasing diamonds from alternative sources and the telling people why than buy not buying them at all.
      Frankly I think sapphires, rubies, and emeralds are prettier than diamonds but that is just personal preference.

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    6. Re:That's not right by Detritus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Aye, but have you noticed a decline in the local moose population? It isn't caused by excessive hunting or climate change. The noble Canadian moose is now fodder for the diamond mines of the North. The mine owners discovered that a moose can do the work of a human miner, and isn't subject to labour and safety laws. Thousands of moose are now living a short and miserable existence in Canada's diamond mines. Don't buy moose diamonds!

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  5. Kind of interesting, but.... by Jugalator · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The difference with diamonds here is that not only do they have a documented mathematical structure, but they can also already be constructed artificially. But hey, he might just be the guy who takes the second place for... erm... a kind-of-diamond-looking artificial crystal. It would be interesting to know if any other properties than a fancy look could in theory be attributed to this one thanks to its structure.

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  6. 4 points, in which any two vertices are connected by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    "4 points, in which any two vertices are connected by an edge." Isn't that a tetrahedron?

    There are tetrahedral crystals. The last picture on that page is an unusually nice one.

    The possible crystal forms for an element depend on the bond angles, and I don't think carbon will hold a stable tetrahedral lattice. Not sure, though.

  7. Re:As beautiful as a diamond... by khellendros1984 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I vote against the creation of the Crystalline Entity. I just want that on record here and now.

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  8. Dimonds arn't wanted for their beuity by Bo'Bob'O · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The value of diamonds has nothing to do with actual aesthetics. Of course, a dimond with a good cut and clarity is worth more, but it's not what makes people want them for jewelry, it's conspicuous consumption, little more.

    After all, look at the value of often superior synthetics. Or look how people's taste for pearls rapidly decreased as the price decreased.

    Of course, diamonds have plenty of other uses, but there is no shortage of them for that, seeing as DeBeers grinds up diamonds for industrial possess in order to keep the supply artificially low.

    1. Re:Dimonds arn't wanted for their beuity by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's exactly what makes diamonds valuable. A monopoly. And that people think they're rare, and thus precious. I doubt the monopoly holder is going to change that any time soon, else... well, why slaughter the goose that lays the golden eggs?

      You can rest assured that, if some process can be found to actually manufacture that superspecialawesome new crystal, it will be monopolized as well. If nothing else, a patent will do that. Then this crystal will be the new diamond, especially if the manufacturing process involves machinery that you can't simply hide in some clandestine lab (where you could try to circumvent and ignore the patent). The creation process will be described as incredibly expensive and high-tech, we'll get to see shiny jewelry using it, and people will buy into the hype. Just like they do with diamonds.

      Thinking that all those wonderful, incredibly useful, super-hard crystals are dangling pointlessly around some necks makes the geek in me sick.

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    2. Re:Dimonds arn't wanted for their beuity by Tlosk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You seem to be assuming that diamonds are given to convey wealth from one person to another, in which case you would be correct, diamonds don't have a pragmatic worth anywhere close to what you pay for them.

      But it is precisely that quality which makes them useful. In forming trust relationships humans have developed a number of ways to indicate "I'm a person you can trust and spend effort/time/resources on me because I will reciprocate."

      One excellent way to do this is for a person to give something that was personally costly, but has little actual value to the receiver (other than the trust value it conveys).

      So why not just give something with actual value/utility to the person? It would cost the giver the same right? Well as counterintuitive as it seems, it's to protect the giver. If we gave items that had actual value then there would be a high temptation to seek out trust relationships then just keep it and move on to the next person. Now you may be thinking, you can resell diamonds, but as anyone who has tried to unload an engagement ring knows, the only chance you have to resell it for anywhere near the purchase price is to sell it directly to another suitor.

      It's the same thing with flowers I imagine, costly but little utilitarian value.

      And given the differences in the sexes it makes sense that men will have evolved to feel good about giving expensive gifts, and women in receiving them, as a means of establishing a cooperative relationship where you can have some confidence that the other person can be trusted not to take advantage of you.

      So whether it's diamonds, pearls, gold, extravagant chocolates, 8 dollar greeting cards, flowers or what have you, there will always be a use for gifts that are both costly to the giver and of little real worth to the receiver as a way to either establish or maintain trust (which is why women get so incensed if you forget to give a nice anniversary gift, to her it has profound implications for the state and future of your relationship). In other words, it's an artifact of the arms race that is sexual reproduction.

  9. Re:4 points, in which any two vertices are connect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    > I don't think carbon will hold a stable tetrahedral lattice.

    Tetrahedral, good call. What do you get when you put carbon atoms into a tetrahedral lattice? Surprise: diamonds!

    http://www.iit.edu/~felfkri/report_files/image005.jpg

    This article doesn't even say what this new-fangled structure *is*...

  10. Just make them.. by RuBLed · · Score: 3, Funny
    1. Re:Just make them.. by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wouldn't that make glass, or at best quartz?
      That's probably why the cartoon author titled it "The Glass Necklace".
  11. Article is complete hogwash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    To get things out of the way: Yes, I am structural chemist, I did RTFA and I am not a native english speaker, so please bear with my broken english.

    I don't want to comment so much on the mathematical part of the paper, which might be interesting, but on the chemistry, which is non-sensical.

    First of all the style of the article is very un-scientific. Note how often he mentions how pretty this crystal structure is. This is completely subjective and I don't see how this structure is prettier than many others. There is many fascinating structures and I don't think this or the diamond lattice are the most fascinating ones.

    Then the assumption that the prettyness of diamond is a direct result from the crystal structure is silly. Someone else noticed that Silicium (and also Germanium and Tin) have exactly the same crystal structure - and they are not "pretty".

    He doesn't mention space group nor atomic positions, which are absolutely fundamental when talking about a crystal structure.

    Now even if the crystal would form like he describes (with 1/3rd double bonds), there is just no way this would ever look anything like a diamond. The electronic structure is completely different - diamond is an insulator, a classic dielectric material, whereas this, due to its double bonds and it's extendef pi-electron system, would be a classical conductor. It would probably look like graphite.

    But, and this is the worst point, which even someone who only did very basic (highschool?) chemistry should immediately note, the compound can never form in this way. That's the first thing you learn about double bonds: they're flat or nearly flat. Admittedly, in fullerene and carbon nano-tubes, there is a certain curvation (making them not as stable as graphite), but if you look at this crystal structure, the double bonds have a dihedral angle of about 90 degrees. It's totally impossible to obtain this compound and everybody with scientific education should know this. The molecular orbitals can't form this way.

    All in all I have no idea how it comes that this non-scientific non-sensical article is published by the AMS. Maybe you could make something out of the math part, but all the babble about prettiness and chemistry has to go.

    1. Re:Article is complete hogwash by HalfFlat · · Score: 3, Informative

      Pretty is being used here not to describe the visual attraction of diamond, but instead to characterise simple but interesting properties of the structure. Quoting Sunada,

      The beauty would be more enhanced and its emotional appeal would be raised to a rational one if we would explore the microscopic structure, say the periodic arrangement of carbon atoms, which is actually responsible for the dazzling glaze caused by the effective refraction and reflection of light.
      Similarly, the crystal structure being discussed is a mathematical abstraction that captures key aspects of physical crystalline structures, while not purporting to be a complete or even entirely faithful representation of crystals in the real world: for example, real-world crystals are obviously not infinite in extent.

      The term pretty, when used in this sort of mathematical context, is not exclusive. Under a different set of criteria, other crystalline structures could well be regarded as being "the prettiest". The properties that Sunada has identified though, are elegant properties from a mathematical viewpoint: they relate the intrinsic symmetries of the structure as a graph with the extrinsic symmetries of the realisation of that graph in a three-dimensional configuration. That the standard realization of a crystal lattice corresponds to a minimal energy configuration (Theorem 1) also demonstrates links to analysis and is an introduction to methods of ab initio calculations of specific heat (see for example the paper of Shubin and Sunada cited in the article.) From considerations of abstract mathematical structure, the diamond crystal is indeed beautiful, and the K4 crystal similarly so.

      That the structure may be chemically impossible to realise with carbon atoms is certainly a valid and useful observation, but to criticise the whole article on the basis of 90 words of chemical speculation really is to misunderstand the article's topic and goals.

    2. Re:Article is complete hogwash by HalfFlat · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have to disagree, it really doesn't try very hard to explain the observed properties of diamond in terms of its elegant abstract structure.

      There is a single throw away line in the introduction ascribing the refractive properties of diamond to its particular "periodic arrangement of carbon atoms" (which, essentially is true — other arrangements of carbon atoms certainly do not have the same optical properties.) And then the physical properties of diamond are never mentioned again! This is definitely not an article about the physical properties of crystals.

      Yes, the summary is crap — but this is slashdot, after all.

    3. Re:Article is complete hogwash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      (posting anonymously as I don't want to impact my trolling potential :)

      As another mathematician, I have to agree with the OP. Beauty is not the issue. As a community, we often spice up our introductions with vague references to applications in other fields (or even other mathematical areas). This is mostly harmless since technical papers are rarely read by nonmathematicians (although occasionally by physicists), and the actual intended readership are interested in the mathematical parts, not the applications.

      On the other hand, mentioning such an application is a way of justifying the research to granting bodies and asserting the relevance to one's broader research project.

      But it's easy to get carried away with bogus explanations of phenomena which are typically outside of one's area of competence. There's no excuse for it in papers which are intended for a broad audience, and the OP is quite right in harshly criticizing the chemistry.

  12. Re:4 points, in which any two vertices are connect by amRadioHed · · Score: 2, Funny

    No way man, the TV says diamonds are forever.

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  13. What about other single element crystals in A4 ? by MrMr · · Score: 4, Informative

    If the symmetry and isotropy give diamonds their shine, why are crystals of
    for instance Si, Ge, Sn not as beautiful? They have the same isotropy and crystal structure.
    And why is a low-symmetry sapphire prettier than high-symmetry table salt?
    I would guess high index of refraction, and the lack of absorption of optical wavelengths are the more relevant properties.

    (see any textbook on crystallography, or for instance http://cst-www.nrl.navy.mil/lattice/ )

  14. Re:4 points, in which any two vertices are connect by rxmd · · Score: 2, Informative

    Diamond isn't stable, like glass, it just takes billions of years to lose it's shape, or something like that.
    Or something.

    What makes you think that glass isn't stable? (link, link)

    I have an archeologist friend who works with Roman glass found along the Silk Road. Looks perfectly stable to me (well, at least those pieces that aren't smashed to bits).
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  15. Re:Omega by kvezach · · Score: 2, Funny

    Aww, but I prefer Omega 13!

  16. Demand was inflated through marketing by aepervius · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is well known that before the ad-campaign of mid 20th diamonds were not that much in "demand". Heck, it is well known that before the oversupply of the 19th century diamond were relatively rare. Look at wiki for more detail.

    quote The De Beers diamond advertising campaign is acknowledged as one of the most successful and innovative campaigns in history. N. W. Ayer & Son, the advertising firm retained by De Beers in the mid-20th century, succeeded in reviving the American diamond market and opened up new markets, even in countries where no diamond tradition had existed before. N.W. Ayer's multifaceted marketing campaign included product placement, advertising the diamond itself rather than the De Beers brand, and building associations with celebrities and royalty. This coordinated campaign has lasted decades and continues today; it is perhaps best captured by the slogan "a diamond is forever". End Quote


    Source wiki

    Despite being in over surplus from mid 19th to mid 20th, diamond were not that popular and high in demand.
    in such context "And diamonds have always been in demand." the always is too much. If you change that to mid 20th century onward, you will be right.

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  17. Actually, the diamond cartel PR will love it by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, if this wasn't already part of a PR coup, it will become one very soon. "Scientist proves that diamonds are the prettiest existing crystals" is a great way to remind people to buy diamonds, and give them a good excuse for conspicuous consumption too.

    The part about another crystal which could theoretically be as pretty, only it doesn't exist (and, as another poster noted, can't possibly exist because electrons aren't shared that way, plus it would be opaque) is just that extra bit of "science" to make it easier to swallow. It lets people feel that they've connected the dots themselves to reach your conclusion.

    I mean, "scientist proves that diamonds are the prettiest possible thing in the universe" is a superlative, plus you're feeding people your message a bit heavy handed. Some will resist it. "Scientist proves that only one thing could be prettier, except it doesn't exist in nature" lets people go, "haha, silly scientist, but in the meantime, out of the things one can actually buy, diamonds are the prettiest, right?" Only now it's their own conclusion, and they won't fight it. In fact, they'll feel all smug and smart about it.

    Sad to say, that's how PR works.

    PR isn't marketing. PR is marketing's evil stealthy brother. It loves to masquerade as news, science studies, etc. Marketing plants the seeds, but PR ploughs your mind first.

    Marketing just goes and tells you "Buy Mars chocolate bars, they're great." PR comes and tells you, "Scientists prove that chocolate is good for you! Valuable enzymes found in cocoa beans!" (Except, what they don't tell you, those enzymes are no longer present in chocolate.) That was an actual PR stunt sponsored by Mars.

    Marketing just tells you "The suit is back! Buy Men's Warehouse suits, they look all professional and stuff!" PR goes and tells you "The suit is back! Here's a ton of interviews with managers swearing that they'd never hire someone who doesn't wear a business suit 24/7." That was an actual PR stunt debunked that was linked to even on Slashdot.

    So, anyway, they write some piece of news and then carpet bomb sites and newspapers with it. A lot of newspapers, especially local ones, are even happy to just print whatever PR sends them, because it's written well and it's more interesting than local "raccoon found in Mr Smith's car" stuff. So pretty much any PR agency can get you in those. A really good one can get you on TV and on Reuters. Those tend to be a lot more expensive.

    And faked scientific studies aren't new stuff either. A _lot_ of PR stuff is published as stuff backed by science and (pseudo)maths. The way that goes is, some PR hack writes some pseudo-science babble. It doesn't have to make any sense. It can add different units, or claim that a theoretical crystal is pretty when the electron structure would make it a metal, and thus look like Tin. It doesn't matter. If you can spot that, you're not in their target demographic anyway. Then it starts fishing for people with a Dr or Prof title who'll sign it. A lot say "fuck off", but eventually one has nothing to lose, noone takes him seriously anyway, and he could use the money. He'll take the pie in the face for their money.

    Now I'm not saying that this particular paper is necessarily PR. It could be, but it also could be just someone who wanted to see his name in a journal. But even if it wasn't written as PR for the diamond cartel, that cartel could very easily use it as PR if they need some. Far from sending someone to kill him, they're probably happy right now.

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    1. Re:Actually, the diamond cartel PR will love it by ari_j · · Score: 2, Funny

      De Beers Executive: We routinely use three kinds of marketing. Liminal, subliminal, and superliminal.
      Lisa Simpson: Superliminal?
      De Beers Executive opens a window and yells: Hey, you! Buy diamonds!

    2. Re:Actually, the diamond cartel PR will love it by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 2

      Your rant on PR is dead on. Another side effect of PR is the mistrust of science by the public. My parents refuse to believe in science and medicine and instead mostly opt for "natural" treatments. The reason, they say, is that they're always hearing on the news about how stuff like chocolate is good for you and then a few months later go back to saying it's bad for you. They never look into it further than the 10 'o clock news, so they don't trust scientists.

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  18. I thought... by solitas · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...that diamonds were "shiny and beautiful" because the cut pattern was optimized for the refractive index of the material and the final shape of the stone - so you'd get the most reflection & refraction - and that other cuts are optimized for the various materials used in fake stones to try to maximize the same effects.

    Diamond is just a very ordered lattice, and it sounds to me like this mathematician is just out to get his name published.

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  19. How about a down payment on a house? by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No value to the receiver? How would that be selected for by evolution? You know what most women would actually prefer over a diamond? A down payment on a house. A nice little nest to raise some babies in says, "trust me, I'll provide for you." A sparkly gem that costs as much as a down payment on a house says, "I'm an idiot who will make poor choices about resource allocation without consulting you first." That is why marketing of diamonds is geared towards convincing men tosurprise a woman with a diamond. If they'd asked first, most women would say, "No, I'd like a house more than a sparkly rock." This is from DeBeers own research on the subject.

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  20. Standard Disclaimer: by DarthVain · · Score: 4, Funny

    Mordor Jewelers is not responsible for ring getting current owner killed, nor will there be any responsibility for alteration of the owner to a gollum like appearance.

    Ring may also bind to other rings in darkness. Also may find other rings and rule over them. Not responsible for types of other rings, nor of the of ruling of the afore mentioned rings.

    Ring is used, and did have prior owner, the "Dark Lord" who of course sits on a "Dark Throne". Mordor Jewelers is in no way associated withe the Dark Lord or his Dark Throne.

    When caring for your ring, it is suggested that you avoid places like Mordor, and melting may occur if dropped into magma in Mt. Doom. Loss of ring in this manner is not the fault of Mordor Jewelers, nor will any reimbursement be merited.

    Mordor is also not at fault if husband starts ignoring you, and you feel like he doesn't even see you anymore. Last but not least, one size fits all.

    Sauron, Saruman, and Smeagol Solicitors

  21. index of refraction by Wormholio · · Score: 3, Informative

    While the beauty of gems is subjective, the one reason that diamonds are attractive is the high index of refraction of the material, which causes total internal reflection. Light from sources around the room can bounce around several times before it exits, giving the gem a "sparkle". The cut of the diamond can enhance this. The crystal structure determines which cuts are possible and which cuts give the best sparkle. But creating artificial gems with the same crystal structure will not give the same "sparkle" effect if the crystal does not have a high enough index of refraction to cause total internal reflection.

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  22. Against by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So if you are against buying diamonds because some of them are blood diamonds, you should be against very many things.
    Yes, you should.

    But let's compare:

    1. Buying diamonds: supports an industry that fund slavery and wars of genocide. Leads to extensive Human misery, and keeps Africa poor and backwards, as well as providing a breeding ground for extremism that may one day become a very serious problem for western nations... not to mention preventing the development of a potentially huge market for western goods, ultimately hindering our own economic success.
    2. Using Bittorrent: potentially puts the RIAA and MPAA out of business, resulting in there being two fewer lobby groups corrupting the democratic process and paying to have our rights taken away. Musicians have to spend more time touring, which benefits us consumers and creates far more jobs than producing and selling albums ever could. The entire economy benefits as a result.
    People who aren't goddam fucking morons can tell that these things are radically different.

    But yes, you should be against supporting any market that fuels warfare, genocide, and slavery. You don't particularly need to avoid supporting the heinous act of sharing though.

  23. Re:Diamonds beauty by jdschulteis · · Score: 2, Informative

    Perhaps I have simply never seen a decent, beautifully cut diamond.

    Have a look at this one.