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Google's Prediction Market

Googling Yourself writes "Employees at Google are encouraged to place bets on Google's prediction market — an exchange that tries to forecast events based on the money wagered on a particular outcome. Employees have made wagers with play money (Goobles, as in rubles) on questions like: will Google open a Russia office? will Apple release an Intel-based Mac? how many users will Gmail have at the end of the quarter? One tangible benefit to the company is that the market allows Google to track how information disseminates in the company. A paper called "Using Prediction Markets to Track Information Flows: Evidence From Google" discusses information flows in the company based on the prediction market data and contains many other interesting observations of Google culture. (pdf)"

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  1. Worldwide for free: inkling by stomv · · Score: 4, Informative

    This exists for everyone with funny money called inkles at Inkling Markets

    1. Re:Worldwide for free: inkling by sholden · · Score: 4, Informative

      And with non-funny money at: https://www.intrade.com/

  2. I'm surprised by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Funny

    That they use "Goobles" to wager with; I'd have expected Quatloos.

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  3. Re:I predict... by rasman1978 · · Score: 2, Funny

    And it will stay "beta" for 2.5 years.

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  4. My Bet by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Funny

    will Apple release an Intel-based Mac?

    I'm betting yes. So when do my stock options arrive?

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  5. Like Popular Science by doombob · · Score: 3, Informative

    I wonder what you would learn from the PopSci Prediction Exchange (PPX)? I've been playing around with it a little bit, but it seems to act more like a commodities market than an actual stock exchange.

  6. Employee Games the system by ryanguill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Google, however, is no ordinary company. As detailed in a footnote, one Google employee, looking to be a profitable trader, wrote the code for an extremely prolific trading robot. As a result, he "was participating in about half of all trades" and made a profit (in Goobles).


    I wonder if he got fired or got a raise?
    1. Re:Employee Games the system by steveha · · Score: 3, Funny

      I wonder if he got fired or got a raise?

      Maybe he just got a commendation for original thinking.

      steveha

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  7. I wonder by GroeFaZ · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will this post be moderated +5, Funny?

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  8. Information, not crystal ball by michaelmalak · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Prediction markets reflect information that is known; they are not perfect crystal balls. They also fall victim to groupthink.

    The best example is that the prediction markets predicted Hillary would win the Democratic nomination by a wide margin. Now the consensus is that it will be Obama by a wide margin.

    1. Re:Information, not crystal ball by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Prediction markets reflect information that is known; they are not perfect crystal balls. They also fall victim to groupthink. Very true, but the question is, compared to what? Prediction markets force people to be honest -- there's real money at stake, and a cost to your arrogance. (Well, not at Google, but at other markets.) It's harder to be a know-it-all when you have to back up your claims with your own money.

      The best example is that the prediction markets predicted Hillary would win the Democratic nomination by a wide margin. Now the consensus is that it will be Obama by a wide margin. I'd classify that as a feature rather than a flaw. Changes in odds are useful information too and allow us to avoid hindsight bias. It keeps us from saying, "Well everyone knew Obama would win." You can look at the history of the bets and say, "No, they didn't -- the general consensus was that he had no chance." Furthermore, "Hey, if you really knew it all along, why weren't you swiping up those underpriced Obama bets?"

      One thing I'm interested in seeing is how Candidate/Party X's chance of winning correlates with critical financial metrics like long-term interest rates and oil prices. That is, do traders revise their estimates as a party's chance of winning goes up? Intrade recently started "shock future" bets where you can bet on the changes in such variables on election day (although I think to avoid the noise you should instead look at the long-term correlation rather than one day, which has noise from other factors).

      For all their flaws, prediction markets truly fascinate me.
    2. Re:Information, not crystal ball by DragonWriter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Prediction markets force people to be honest -- there's real money at stake, and a cost to your arrogance.


      They don't "force people to be honest". Prediction markets — if they are positioned to influence the events they are used to "predict", like political futures markets are — are simply a form of advertising (or, viewed another way, campaign donations). Sure, they cost real money, so does buying TV ads. But, (1) they aren't regulated, the way political advertising and donations are, and (2) they are also negative cost if they succeed, unlike regular ads or campaign donations.

      People expend real money on campaign donations and political advertising all the time without any concern for "honesty". To think that political futures markets would somehow, by using "real money", force people to be honest is absurd. Any system where action can influence the perception of political reality will be gamed by those interested in influencing that perception—especially since the perception influences the reality here—and if you make it so that the limiting factor on the degree of influence is the ability to spend money then, like most aspects of the political system, the results will be skewed by the interests of those most able to burn money to acheive their political ends.
    3. Re:Information, not crystal ball by sheldon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Did you notice the stock market dropped after Obama did well in Iowa? He's running on a more populist campaign, it happens most election years.


      Did you notice the day after Obama did well in Iowa, there was a sudden storm front that hit the west coast?

      He's running a Godless campaign, it happens most election years.

      [hint: The market tanks because of a jobs report that came out from the labor dept]
  9. Someone at Google has been reading John Brunner... by RealGene · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ..who had this as a significant plot element in his novel, The Shockwave Rider
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  10. Wikipedia article on prediction markets by Thelasko · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wikipedia has a pretty good article on the topic that I read a few months ago. Be forewarned Websense views some of these prediction market sites as gambling. So, I wouldn't view them at work. Specifically Intrade.

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  11. High Definition by dsmitchell1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    What does it say about the outcome of the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray battle? I want to buy my player now!

  12. Prediction markets in Earthweb by steveha · · Score: 2, Informative

    Earthweb is a novel by Marc Stiegler.

    In Earthweb prediction markets have a major role in the plot. Prediction markets are used to harness the wisdom of the crowds over the whole planet; this is what the title references. The book also speculates on some of the problems that might happen with prediction markets, such as people who just try to figure out an expert's prediction and just bet the same as that expert. (This expert-following skews the results; the followers are not adding any more insight to the market, and they might be lending their support to someone who might be wrong.)

    The book is really a bunch of cool future Information Age ideas, with just enough plot to stitch them together. The action sequences are as energetic and implausible as a Tomb Raider game. It's not Shakespeare but I enjoyed it.

    P.S. The book also tells, as part of its backstory, about a bunch of inexpensive computing devices with networking built in being air-dropped over the poorest parts of the world, to give poor children some sort of an education. He wrote this years before OLPC.

    steveha

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  13. Predictions helped find a nuke, and a missing sub by Majin+Bubu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I find prediction markets very fascinating and a powerful prediction system, when manned by experts of the field. Indeed, such a system was used to find a H-bomb that had been lost at see back in the 60s, as well as the missing submarine Scorpion. Read "The Blind Man's Bluff" for details, but there are excerpts online. Also see Bayes subjective probability.

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  14. Great idea, just don't tell Congress by mi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Pentagon tried just this in 2003 — use the method to predict terror attacks. The Congressional outcry about "trading in blood" was such, that the program was scrapped shortly after being announced...

    Quoting from MSNBC report:

    The Pentagon Tuesday agreed to abandon the plan, the Senate Armed Services Committee chairman said, after Senate Democrats Monday blasted the plan as nothing more than state-sponsored "gambling on terrorism."
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  15. How Prediction Truly Works: by imstanny · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The best predictions are made by an aggregate of opinions. You need look no further than "Who wants to be a Millionaire". When they poll the audience, the audience has a very high success rate (over 90%, though I forget the precise figure). The reason for this is that people that don't know for the answer account for random choices, which allows for those that do know the answer to make the correct answer rise to the top.


    There's a fascinating book that addresses all these points called "More Than You Know" by Michael J. Mauboussin. I have recently been at one of his lectures at an investment conference (and got an autographed copy of his book). He gave a poignant example about prediction quality of a group vs the individual:


    He put jelly beans in a jar and made his students guess the amount of beans the jar contained. He offered a small monetery reward as incenctive, to better ensure educated guesses. With the exception of 2 students, the class average came close to guessing the amount of beans in the jar than any one individual. His book offers interesting examinations of psychology and group behavior applied to financial markets.

  16. I'm suddenly skeptical by jfengel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have been following the Intrade market, and I think that Obama's recent surge on that market may represent a serious blow to the idea.

    I don't need Intrade to tell me what's happening at the polls; I can get that from the news. Intrade is interesting only if it's able to make predictions, and for a long time Clinton was twice as expensive as Obama. Today it's the reverse. That makes it a fine place to gamble, but not an interesting place to get an accurate representation of the future.

    That market is still predicting that Huckabee's victory in Iowa will be short-lived, and it's still convinced that Romney's chances are low, but it's still heavily influenced by McCain's recent surge in the New Hampshire polls.

    The campaign contains relatively few surprises. Candidates do not radically change their opinions or introduce truly novel programs. A sudden revelation can tank a candidate, but we're basically counting on Intrade to let the wisdom of crowds ferret out all of that before the polls, not after them.

    Intrade may still redeem itself. The polls may be introducing a lot of volatility that will ultimately settle down. But it predicted Clinton vs Giuliani by wide margins for a very long time, and I'll put a lot less faith in its predictions if it's just tracking the state-by-state polls.

    1. Re:I'm suddenly skeptical by sholden · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You might be trying to ferret out the wisdom of crowds. Lots of other people are just gambling, and another entity is interested in collecting transaction fees...

    2. Re:I'm suddenly skeptical by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't need Intrade to tell me what's happening at the polls; I can get that from the news. [...] we're basically counting on Intrade to let the wisdom of crowds ferret out all of that before the polls
      The thing you have to understand about prediction markets is they don't represent a magical source of extra information. Prediction markets work only based on information that is already publicly available. They simply combine and weigh that information better than any other method of making predictions, and that is still a valuable service.

      When the markets predict John McCain winning the nomination, they are not simply reacting to recent NH poll numbers; nothing a market does is "simple". The market is weighing *all* the available evidence to come to the conclusion that John McCain has the best overall chance to win the nomination. When you look at the market's prediction, you can be reasonably sure that single source reflects all the information you would likely be able to gather yourself if you dedicated all your time to researching the elections.

      The campaign contains relatively few surprises.
      Well put your money where your mouth is, bub. If you know better than the market, you stand to make money on it. The truth is, the volatility of these election markets reflects the *actual* uncertainty in *everyone*'s predictions about this primary, which is further a reflection of the actual volatility of public opinion itself. There *have* been surprises. Six months ago nobody expected Giuliani to do this poorly; nobody saw Huckabee's gains among evangelicals; etc etc. To pretend otherwise is silly; if you knew these things ahead of time you would be sitting pretty with a great position in the markets right now.
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  17. Re:Congress was only calling the spade a spade. by mi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Congress was only calling the spade a spade.

    Alright, teacher of the people. Could you define, what "trading in blood" means?

    Or did you simply fall for somebody else's demagoguery?

    This market may or may not be efficient in predicting terrorist attacks, but there is nothing morally wrong with it.

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