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Comcast Promising Ultra-Fast Internet

Espectr0 writes "Comcast's CEO Brian Roberts gave The Associated Press a preview of his speech for the Consumer Electronics show, and said that Comcast expects to demonstrate a technology that delivers up to 160 megabits of data per second over cable. At that speed you could download a high-definition copy of 'Batman Begins' in four minutes. The technology, DOCSIS 3.0, will start rolling out this year." Here's a note about Cisco's announcement of their DOCSIS 3.0 cable modem.

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  1. That's Incredible. by cromar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Too bad we aren't going to see any speed close to that for personal use, at least not without forking over hefty sacks of bling.

    1. Re:That's Incredible. by gbulmash · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Too bad we aren't going to see any speed close to that for personal use, at least not without forking over hefty sacks of bling.

      Yeah. Comcast is bitching and moaning about bandwidth usage at current speeds and doing all sorts of dirty stuff to "shape" usage. If they increase speeds by 15-20x, their wailing and gnashing of teeth will know no end (or upper decibel level).

      On the consumer side, they'll probably roll out speeds and pricing only comparable to FIOS and not get anywhere near the higher end speeds at all, or they'll offer 50-100 megabit speeds on business accounts for $200-300 a month.

      Still, Verizon just made FIOS available in my neighborhood. I was waiting to see if they'd roll out FIOS TV too and get the package (dump Comcast altogether). Now I may wait to see if Comcast rolls out the new speedy stuff around here to compete with FIOS in the near future. Could be worth the wait.

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    2. Re:That's Incredible. by CMF+Risk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All the bling in the world will do you no good when they only roll it out to already bandwidth-saturated markets(with FIOS and more), while they leave everyone else out in the cold.

      Yay for market lock-ins

    3. Re:That's Incredible. by evanbd · · Score: 3, Funny

      you yuppie little shit.

      And this is better because...?

    4. Re:That's Incredible. by jonsmirl · · Score: 4, Interesting

      FIOS OTN is my basement is running at 680Mb/s. I'm paying $40 to get 20Mb/s of that. They have 2.4Gb/s OTNs but there's no need to deploy them yet. Coax cable plants are legacy.

    5. Re:That's Incredible. by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      was waiting to see if they'd roll out FIOS TV too and get the package (dump Comcast altogether)

      Why wait? Dump 'em now. I dropped my cable package down to "lifeline" service (local tv stations only) and wouldn't even have had that if I could have gotten decent reception with rabbit ears.

      I actually like TV but it's just not worth the fucking money. In my area it now costs $55/mo for basic cable. $660/year. More if you want digital cable, DVR, or any of that. And it goes up every year. I can recall before Time Warner came in and bought up the local cable companies -- basic cable cost about $25/mo for 60 channels. Now it's $55/mo for 68 channels. I guess those five home shopping networks, BBC America and Spike TV really cost them $30 more....

      It's just not fucking worth it. Having the networks will get you most new shows. Cable only shows can be downloaded, oftentimes quite legally (The Daily Show). There's also DVD rentals of older shows (Netflix anyone?).

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  2. bittorrent by sankekur · · Score: 4, Insightful

    maybe fast for other things but not for bittorrent

    1. Re:bittorrent by _xeno_ · · Score: 5, Informative

      Oh, I don't know, people using BitTorrent to download legal things, like Linux distros, OpenOffice.org, World of Warcraft patches, or anything else that offers BitTorrent downloads.

      Seriously, why is that insightful? There are plenty of legal uses of BitTorrent that don't involve pirating movies.

      (And, of course, things like, uh, porn and fansubs may not be available on demand. Not that I'd know anything about that. Oh, and indie films and less popular films and all sorts of digital things that aren't likely to be available on demand.)

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    2. Re:bittorrent by internic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There's plenty of FTP/HTTP mirrors for Linux distros, same for OO.o, and WoW patches.

      Spoken like someone who's never tried to download a popular piece of software right after release. If you have a reasonably fast connection BitTorrent is often the fastest way to get, say, the latest version of your distro, especially during periods of high demand. My net connection isn't even that fast (only 1.5 Mbps) and I've found this. Considering the connection speeds being discussed in TFA, this point is that much more important. Additionally, for community projects this is a way for people to give back by, in effect, donating their bandwidth temporarily, so it has that advantage over FTP and HTTP as well (where you can setup a mirror, but this is a separate and more cumbersome process that must then be managed).

      Sure, somewhere, once in a blue moon, someone downloads a public-domain movie/book using BT, but that doesn't make it the norm by any means.

      And I care fuck all about what the norm is. BitTorrent is just a tool for shuffling bits around. I use it for perfectly legal purposes. If other people use it for illegal purposes, by all means go after them, but don't punish me for what other people are doing. And don't think that by targeting this one way of shuffling bits you'll stop whatever the activity is, because it will just shift to some other method. As far as I can see, the existence of trackers in BitTorrent probably makes it poorly suited for legal activity when compared to other p2p technologies.

      I just hate the 'people download Linux' argument.

      Well some of us actually use it for downloading Linux and such, and we hate it when people act as if we don't exist and back the totally idiocy of targeting a very useful communication protocol because some people happen to use it for illegal purposes.

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  3. Slick! by Pahroza · · Score: 4, Informative

    Speeds as listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Speed_Table are rather impressive. Max usable down and up speeds are 152/108 Mbit/s, respectively.

    Hopefully they'll roll this out with an affordable pricing plan; they already announced that they'll be raising prices in February.

    1. Re:Slick! by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All this shows is that it doesn't make one bit of a difference if it's DOCSIS 1.0, 2.0, or 3.0 because Comcast is still going to throttle you via a config file and you will probably never see 150mbit connections on their network unless you're getting on-demand movies.

      If we were currently seeing 38mbit/(9|27)mbit connections now, I might be inclined to say, "yeah, they're going to give us 150+" but because they're operating at about 6mbit/less than 1mbit for the majority of connections (yes, they go a higher for short bursts) this is nothing more than fluff for CES.

  4. Who cares? They don't max out DOCSIS 1! by Danathar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Having your modem capable of these speeds is good technically, but I have the "premier" comcast service now and it does not come even close to maxing out DOCSIS 1.x.

    having a DOCSIS 3.x modem would be like having a firehose into your house but only having measly garden hose pressure amount of water going through it.

  5. that's some interesting math right there... by MarcoAtWork · · Score: 3, Insightful

    4 minutes would download about 4.5 gigs, which is basically DVD quality... of course you can upconvert this to whichever HD resolution you want, but it's still going to look like crap compared to a 'proper' 30-40 gigs encode. OTOH having something that could d/load a blue-ray/hd-dvd level encode in less than an hour would be pretty good, but in any case the odds of getting that kind of transfer speed connected to a real site are pretty low IMHO.

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    1. Re:that's some interesting math right there... by cnettel · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, while not as good as proper HD disc, VC-1 or MPEG-4 or anything at 4.5 GB will give far greater quality than DVD MPEG-2.

    2. Re:that's some interesting math right there... by codeboost · · Score: 3, Informative

      A 720p BluRay x264-compressed rip is around 4.5GB and a 1080p rip is around 8GB. The quality is very good, probably very close to the original and not worth downloading the 30-40 gigs.

  6. And you get this for... by BUL2294 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...the low, low price of $1000/month. But if you also sign up basic cable, home phone, and HBO/Starz, the package will cost $1050/month (for the first 3 months)--plus taxes and regulatory fees. It's Comcastic!

    Comcast - We own you.

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  7. Re:Upload bandwidth? by mi · · Score: 5, Informative

    RTFA. The description of Cisco's DOCSIS 3.0 "modem", linked to from the summary, says:

    Cisco Systems Inc. is demonstrating a DOCSIS 3.0 modem that would let operators support downlink speeds of 160mbps and uplinks of 120mbps [emphasis mine -mi].

    Whether Cable companies will allow you to use all this is another story — probably not, because that's the simplest way for them to combat file-sharing without affecting downloads from "legitimate" servers... And I'm pretty sure, they'll continue blocking port 80, etc.

    But you'll continue buying it, because the awesome download speed will trump all other concerns...

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  8. Faster internet, faster disconnection by Jailbrekr · · Score: 4, Funny

    So at that speed, how long do you think it'll take be be cut off for 'excessive use'? I'd give it 5 minutes, tops.

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  9. 1/4 Batmans per minute? by X_Bones · · Score: 5, Funny

    what's that in Libraries of Congress per second?

  10. 100 Mbps fibre available here already by Ixlr8 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I happen to live in a first-to-roll-out neighborhood for fibre to each home/appartment. Available in my street in 2 months, I get symmetric 20/20 internet bandwidth for some 30 euro/month. Speeds up to 100/100 Mbps are also available (. In addition the fibre carries your voip, radio and tv signals. So I'm guessing the 100/100 is just a convenient maximum speed for internet given that most people either have 10 or 100 stuff in their home.

    Wonder what this 160 is supposed to be priced at and how the technology scales in the future.

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  11. Promises promises by Kelbear · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll believe it when they actually offer it, there are plenty of ways for them to tie down that speed into an undesirable product. Excessive pricing, throttling, bundling, lock-in, hidden caps...

    How fast is the upload, and for that matter, how many download sources are there that can actually hit that speed for numerous users? Even in a torrent it's tough to find enough seeders to equal those speeds. If it can be done, how many suscribers can hit that speed before they crowd each other out?

    I think the biggest boost to my practical download speed would be an increase to other people's upload speeds. That sort of breakthrough would be far more exciting.

  12. They can't deal with what they already provide? by stickyc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm confused - Comcast has admitted they can't handle the speeds they're already providing to customers, what's the point in providing a faster end-user connection if the back-end can't support it?

    1. Re:They can't deal with what they already provide? by jbeaupre · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because they can charge more for delivering the same thing.

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  13. Batman? by glitch_xl · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've already GOT batman - what else you got?

  14. But it's still Comcast by Avatar8 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Given the company's history, I don't trust a single word the article says.


    -"Up to" 160 mbps likely means "We'll sell you 20Mb for $50/mth to barely squeeze out our competition, but real speed will cost ya $$$$."
    -Is it still a shared network? So if my neighbors are all downloading Batman Begins, is my internet download going to slow to 1mbps? I bet it will.
    -Will the service be reliable, as in always on, 24x7x365, you know, like the phone companies and my FiOS connection are? I completely and totally doubt it.
    -Will the charge per month keep increasing every six months? I think it will.
    -Will you still charge customers for house calls even when the fault lies in your network and your equipment? I'm sure you will.
    -Will you replace your unskilled, rude and generally ignorant customer service with talented, considerate and intelligent people? Only if Comcast decides to pay a decent wage, so I guess not.
    -Will the VoD carry the latest movies as soon as they're legally available? If the CEO is using Batman Begins (2005) as an example, probably not.
    -Will Comcast ever apologize or make amends for all the anguish, pain, suffering and overbilling they have caused their customers since Comcast came into existence? I'm not holding my breath.


    My only wish is that Comcast executives, where ever they go will receive the same kind of service they themselves deliver.

  15. Re:Its advertising that counts, not the product. by C0rinthian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Believe me, many of us are aware. Damn the telecom industry. Damn them to hell.

  16. Re:Upload bandwidth? by pitdingo · · Score: 5, Informative
    But you'll continue buying it, because the awesome download speed will trump all other concerns...

    Wrong. I will keep buying it, because like the vast majority of Comcast subscribers, I have no other choice.

  17. Bad summery by CNN by gravis777 · · Score: 4, Informative

    After reading the article, the content of the article pretty much backs what I was thinking - that while Comcast may be using some of the bandwidth for internet, most of this looks as if it will be employed for High-Def content on demand. This is 160 meg a second on their network, not on the internet. At least, that is what I am making out of the story.