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New Chip For Square Kilometer Radio Telescope

An anonymous reader writes "ZDNet Aus reported on a new low-noise chip that could help in building the $1.6B Square Kilometer Array, the world's largest radio telescope. Wikipedia claims the telescope will be 50 times as sensitive as current instruments. It will have a resolution able to detect every active galactic nucleus out to a redshift of 6, when the universe was less than 1 billion years old and way crazy. It will have the sensitivity to detect Earth-like radio leakage at a distance of several hundred to a few thousand light years, which could help greatly with the search for extraterrestrial life. The chip's designer, Prof. Jack Singh, commented on the chip's ability to help with quantum computing research, due to its ability to operate at millikelvin temperatures, necessary to prevent quantum decoherence."

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  1. low noise chip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Great, I can eat 'em in bed without the wife complaining..

  2. They'd better not waste it on SETI by r_jensen11 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I hope they put this toward something useful, rather than blow its time on SETI.

    Even if we find life outside our solar system, the aftermath would not be worth-while. We would most likely not be able to communicate with them, and even if we could, we would have to perfect quantum mechanics and have teleportation working properly before communication is practical.

    1. Re:They'd better not waste it on SETI by zappepcs · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, of course not. SETI will not stand for any of this metric crap, they are holding out for the square MILE version!

    2. Re:They'd better not waste it on SETI by SixByNineUK · · Score: 2, Informative

      The SKA has 5 key science goals, one of them, called 'The cradle of life' is aimed at looking for possible life in other star systems, but I believe it is mainly focusing on studying the formation of earth-like planets (to better understand our own). I think that any real SETI efforts will be done as a sort of 'piggyback' on other projects (Although I don't think the scheduling arrangements are anywhere near ready yet!).

    3. Re:They'd better not waste it on SETI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >> We would most likely not be able to communicate with them, and even if we could, we would have to perfect quantum mechanics and have teleportation working properly before communication is practical.

      "Even if Christopher Columbus discovers something over there, we'd have to perfect a new method of travel which won't take months to take us to the new land. Why bother? Cancel the exploration" - Queen Isabella

      Good thing not everyone has reasons as poorly as you.

  3. Re:Porn - first proof of ET's... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, baby!
    Pictures of the universe when it was only in it's "way crazy" first billions!
    Barely legal!!!
    HOTT planet on planet action!!!!!

  4. technically by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Funny

    the era of Way Crazy is not the correct term for the billion year old universe. the billion year old universe is known as the You Gotta Be Freakin Kiddin Me Epoch, not to be confused with the You Gotta Be Freakin Nuts Epoch much earlier. Way Crazy is a specific terminology for the time period between supersymmetry breaking and the formation of the quark-gluon plasma, aka the Thats Outta Sight Man era

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    1. Re:technically by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe this advance will help us explain the Fuggettaboutit Extinction.

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  5. Sorry to bitch but... by x1n933k · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is a bit off topic but can someone please edit this summary. Did you even read it? Terrible grammar.

    [J]

    1. Re:Sorry to bitch but... by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Funny

      but can someone please edit this summary. Did you even read it? Terrible grammar

      We're always glad to see a new slashdot member here. Your welcome packet is in the mail!

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    2. Re:Sorry to bitch but... by ExE122 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The same day Roland Piquepaille became a valid source...

      You are getting your news feeds through Slashdot, ya know =P

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  6. iRonically... by ExE122 · · Score: 5, Funny

    you still need to crank the volume all the way up to get your iPod FM transmitter to work...

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  7. "Wikipedia claims" by LMacG · · Score: 5, Informative

    That claim actually comes straight from the Square Kilometer Array website.

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  8. Millikelvins by jhines · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cool baby, cool.

  9. Is it true... by jd · · Score: 3, Funny

    ....that the chips were actually salvaged from a fleet of BBC television detector vans?

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    1. Re:Is it true... by crow · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, but the BBC is funding the project in the hopes that it can pick up reflected signals from 20+ light years away so that they can recover all the TV recordings that they tossed out thinking that they had no value.

  10. Low noise by evanbd · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not explained in the article, but the reason for the very low temperature operation is resistor thermal noise. Basically, any resistor (or anything with vaguely resistor-like properties, for example the radio antenna itself) creates "thermal noise" from the thermally-induced effects of electrons bouncing around. At room temperature (300K), that noise is 4E-21 watts per 1Hz bandwidth -- or about -130dBm on a fairly narrow 10kHz bandwidth. The noise generated varies linearly with temperature, so if the entire input amplifier is operated at 300mK instead of 300K, you get an extra 30dB of signal-to-noise ratio, which is substantial when you're looking for very very weak signals.

    Fun fact: with a $5 op-amp, a few resistors, and an audio amplifier, you can create your own, entirely quantum, true white noise source from the same effect. Guaranteed good for cryptographic random number generation, impressing your friends, and preventing dates!

    1. Re:Low noise by imsabbel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Thats the same reason why 24bit audio cards for playback (and even for recording if you dont plan any excessive post-processing) is overkill.
      All those SACD players cannot beat the roles of physics, which mean that everything after bit 19 or so is just thermal noice. No matter how expensive the audiophile voodoo happens to be.

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    2. Re:Low noise by mentaldrano · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In addition to radio receivers, this same form of noise affects optical astronomy as well. The CCDs used as sensors in optical microscopes are mostly refrigerated as well, sometimes down to 0.3 kelvin, to get around this noise. When you need to count single photons, noise can kill you - and there is no beating Johnson noise. Your only hope is a refrigerator.

    3. Re:Low noise by Clueless+Moron · · Score: 2, Funny

      But you need that thermal noise in your audiophile setup. That's to give the music that "warm" sound.

  11. Re:Porn - first proof of ET's... by jeffmeden · · Score: 4, Funny

    We already sent them porn via snail mail, the next logical step is to start trading via radiotelescope. Hope they liked the first stuff.

  12. I don't even know what that means. by RandoX · · Score: 2, Funny

    Will my taxes go up because of it?

  13. The most depressing thing in the world.. by mgblst · · Score: 4, Insightful

    would be discovering other life in the Universe, but never the drive to carry us there.

  14. What about LOFAR? by StarfishOne · · Score: 3, Informative
    "The world's largest radio telescope"? I think they're somewhat forgetting some of the competition:


    http://www.lofar.org/


    But it might depend a bit on how one bends definitions (min/max distance between receivers etc.)..


    "The antennas are simple enough but there are a lot of them - 25000 in the full LOFAR design. To make radio pictures of the sky with adequate sharpness, these antennas are to be arranged in clusters that are spread out over an area of ultimately 350 km in diameter. (In phase 1 that is currently funded 15000 antenna's and maximum baselines of 100 km will be built). Data transport requirements are in the range of many Tera-bits/sec and the processing power needed is tens of Tera-FLOPS."
    http://www.lofar.org/p/geninfo.htm

  15. Re:redshift of 6? by Astro+Dr+Dave · · Score: 3, Informative

    Redshift (z) is a unitless ratio. It used as a (nonlinear) measure of distance in extra-galactic astronomy and cosmology.

    The quantity 1+z is the ratio of the scale of the universe now to the scale of the universe at that redshift. Our local area (Milky Way galaxy) corresponds to z=0. So, for example, the universe was 7 times smaller at z=6, and the density of intergalactic gas is proportional to (1+z)^3.

  16. Horrible communication of the future? by LingNoi · · Score: 3, Funny

    several hundred to a few thousand light years, which could help greatly with the search for extraterrestrial life.
    I'd hate to hear the conversation if the round trip for communications is over thousands of years..

    Earth: Hi this is Bill from the planet Earth!
    Aliens: Hello Bill this is Zargo from Optimum Prime, what do you want?
    Earth: Hi, this is Ted. We'd like to know more about you!
    Aliens: What happened to Bill?
    Earth: Hi, this is Jane. Bill and Ted are Dead.
    Aliens: What?!

    Surely if Aliens are 1 thousand light years away it would take 6 thousand years to have that conversation. Although we'd probably just spam them all of Earth's Knowledge which would piss off the aliens into believing our planet is full of spammers and destroy us...
  17. Re:Porn - first proof of ET's... by smorken · · Score: 3, Funny

    Im not sure that we would want to be trading porn with an alien species. What if they all look like jabba the hut? Some things you cannot unsee.

  18. Re:Porn - first proof of ET's... by QuickFox · · Score: 2, Funny

    Much more important for the survival of our species, let's hope the SETI people on Earth aren't slashdot trolls sending goatse to the aliens.

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