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Web Snapshots Are Nabbed for Commercial Uses

whoever57 writes "The Washington post has a story about Hollywood studios using photos grabbed off the web without permission. This particular story describes the case of a photo of a dog that was used by Fox. The photo had been uploaded to a personal blog and tagged 'all rights reserved.'"

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  1. Violating Copyrights by tristian_was_here · · Score: 3, Funny

    These people are hypocrites if they wanted to violate copyright laws properly at least use The Pirate Bay.

  2. Copyright is easy by Ajehals · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How a large media organisation that happens to receive a large income based on the 'intellectual property' it owns, that shows warnings on its television broadcasts pertaining to copyright and presumably has a legal department and employs well educated staff can do something like this is unbelievable.

    Clearly it is easy to make a mistake, even easier if there is some ambiguity in what you are doing, but in this case surely it would be relatively simple to ensure you know who owns what before using it. Whilst this violation is fairly innocuous and doesn't cause any harm (In a real sense as opposed to a legal one) it is the kind of thing that media companies would prosecute if it were carried out by a normal person (assuming they became aware of it) simply to ensure their 'property' isn't harmed in some way by unauthorised use.

    It is interesting that recently (the last 2 years or so) the number of reported copyright violations carried out by businesses against individuals seems to have increased, especially given the amount of publicity given to 'piracy' of all types (well apart from the one that takes place on the high seas) has jumped significantly. I half expected there to be calls by businesses (apart from media organisations obviously) for reform of copyright law, primarily because looser copyright laws would potentially benefit normal businesses or in the least mitigate some of the potential legal damage caused by an accidental lapse.

    Well I guess the moral of the story (assuming FOX are punished in some way, - I would be happy with an apology an that the image not be used if I were in the owners shoes) is simple, if you don't have express permission to use something, don't use it, seek consent, if you are planning to make use of material on the basis of fair use the make sure you check how to do that in an acceptable way. Personally I think society is losing out massively by having so much culturally valuable materiel locked away for so long for the benefit of the creators and their heirs, I think we are probably scaring people away from building on existing material and to a point scaring people from drawing influences from existing work, but then I haven't got the cash or influence to lobby government for a change in legislation.

    1. Re:Copyright is easy by jollyreaper · · Score: 3, Funny

      How a large media organisation that happens to receive a large income based on the 'intellectual property' it owns, that shows warnings on its television broadcasts pertaining to copyright and presumably has a legal department and employs well educated staff can do something like this is unbelievable. Simple answer: they only care about this essential principle of freedom and commerce and the American way because it suits them in this instance. When the shoe is on the other foot, who the hell cares?

      Whenever a powerful organization with a vested interest is trying to convince me of something, I just think of Col. Sanders sitting down with his chickens to have a chat about how deep-frying is good for the skin.
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  3. Not that hard by adona1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With photos it's easy....if it's online, then you most likely don't have the right to use it. If you want a photo, take one yourself or pay someone for theirs.

    However, no one expects the powerful to actually heed the rules...

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    1. Re:Not that hard by daeg · · Score: 3, Informative

      GIS, in this case, = Google Image Search. Sorry.

  4. Re:No reasonable person by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apparently it does have value because Fox used it. You're well within your rights to use pictures you find on the internet for you desktop background or whatever, but if you want to use them for commercial purposes, or re-publish them, then you need to pay, or at least ask for, that privilege.

  5. Re:No reasonable person by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you make pictures of your pet available, I should be free to use them as I see fit.

    uhhh, no. that's not how it works. if you attach a (c) or even if you DON'T its assumed you have rights to your image.

    come on - this IS the studios DOING the stealing now even though they are first to yell when someone 'steals' from them.

    if they want us to respect their (c) they must respect ours!

    (yes, I shoot photos. often I will give them away but you must ask first!)

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  6. extreme mooning by 54mc · · Score: 5, Funny

    When his initial e-mails to the Microsoft blog asking it to remove links to his photo didn't immediately work, Kennedy replaced the image with one of a man engaging in an activity best described as "extreme mooning." Visitors to the Microsoft blog who clicked on the innocent-looking link were guided to the new photo. Says Kennedy, "They pulled down the link within 15 minutes." I can't imagine what image they could possibly be referring to!
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    1. Re:extreme mooning by calidoscope · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's one way to get Microsoft's goat.

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    2. Re:extreme mooning by merreborn · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's one way to get Microsoft's goat.


      I se what you did there.
  7. Re:No reasonable person by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It has nothing to do with the value of the picture. There was no real harm done, however, if the media companies are going to be dicks about copyright, and enforce it to within the last nanometer of the law, individuals can and should do the same back to them when the big guys violate copyright. Turnabout is fair play, after all.

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  8. Harm Done. by gnutoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These violations are only harmless if your work is worth nothing. Apparently, it's worth using so you should be paid.

    Some of the uses pointed out in the article were much less than harmless. One kid was described as someone to "dump" and another was a posterboy for peeling lead paint. The parents of the child, of course, were mortified.

    The biggest losers in this round of big media hypocrisy and arrogance is big media. It shows better than anything else that copyright is a sham designed to enrich big media. Big media is acting like a perfect bully, while crying for appreciation and special protection. Lessig got it wrong. The victims are not crying out for copyright protection, they are furiously pointing out that copyright is bullshit and it's main proponents are assholes. What little sympathy the industry had left is going down the toilet. Soon they will no more withstand public outrage and technical obsolescence than the Chicago sock yard and Detroit auto makers did.

  9. Re:Sign of the times: money, "rights", greed by Seumas · · Score: 5, Informative

    Quite possibly the stupidest comment I have read in the entire discussion. Your content is your content. That's all there is to it. You have the right to dictate how someone can use your content, if at all, as well as being compensated for commercial use by a commercial application of your content. Just because I upload a photo for my profile on my website to represent myself doesn't mean that you deserve some self-assigned right to use it in an advertisement or sell it or redistribute it for your own purposes. It doesn't belong to you. The greedy people are the ones trying to take YOUR content and profit off it rather than creating their own content.

    If you want content, create it yourself or specifically hunt out free content. Don't steal someone else's.

    By your comments, I'm going to assume that you're probably a middle school student who has absolutely no concept of property or copyright or use licenses and thinks that you should get everything for free. Hell, by your reasoning someone should be able to just steal the linux source code and do whatever they want with it for profit, without adhering to any of the attached licenses (attribution, redistribution of source code, etc). After all, anyone who restricts you from doing whatever you want with THEIR content is just a greedy twat.

  10. Re:So? What's the problem? by xeoron · · Score: 3, Informative
    Hollywood was created by thief's, so what do you expect? They want to have their cake and eat it too.From The Pirates Dilemma

    "Some of America's greatest innovators were thought of as pirates. When Thomas Edison invented the phonographic record player, musicians branded him a pirate out to steal their work and destroy the live music business, until a system was established so everyone could be paid royalties, which we today call the record industry. Edison, in turn, went on to invent filmmaking, and demanded a licensing fee from those making movies with his technology. This caused a band of filmmaking pirates, including a man named William, to flee New York for the then still wild West, where they thrived, unlicensed, until Edison's patents expired. These pirates continue to operate there, albeit legally now, in the town they founded: Hollywood. William's last name? Fox."