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EU Regulators Open New Microsoft Investigations

The New York Times is reporting on two new investigations into Microsoft business practices opened by EU antitrust regulators. The new cases center on the company's positioning of Office and Internet Explorer, and were apparently partially prompted by Microsoft's earlier heel-dragging. "'It would have been preferable if these issues could have been resolved amicably with Microsoft,' said Jonathan Todd, a spokesman for the European competition commissioner, Neelie Kroes. 'But that has not proved to be the case. Therefore we have opened these formal investigations. That does not prove there is a violation. We will only be able to come to a conclusion after investigations.' The legal battle that ended last year involved the bundling of a media player with Windows and the availability of information required to make rival software operate smoothly with Microsoft products. In September, the Court of First Instance, Europe's highest after the European Court of Justice, endorsed the commission's 2004 decision to impose record fines on Microsoft."

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  1. The only way to fight bundling... by explosivejared · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Bundling software has been the source of the EU's complaints against MS. The only way to fight bundling is to inform the consumer that they have choices. Until the average consumer understands that there are other programs outside the suite that Microsoft offers, there will be no real competition. Power users are not in the majority. The people that know what vlc, foobar, opera, etc. are are not in the majority. Firefox has proven that is possible to break out and actually compete with MS products, but they had to establish name recognition with consumers. The standard windows package with WMP and IE will cotntinue to strangle the market until people become vaguely familiar with the fact that their are options. It wouldn't hurt for people understand open source support and how it contrasts with closed source support, but that's probably an unattainable dream. However, Firefox has proven that when the stars align, there is a market for non-MS products.

    Education is, as always, the great equalizer. It's the only thing that can make a market actually work.

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    1. Re:The only way to fight bundling... by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Interesting

      funny thought just occurred to me: Religion used to come all bundled together in a single package in the form of the Roman Catholic Church. Now we have the King James version of the bible, and also the Church of England as a result of the un-bundling process. Sometimes you need force to ensure that the un-bundling happens! Perhaps it's not good to mention MS and religion in the same paragraph, but I think the analogy is good here. When there is only one official version of the declared legitimate bible, it takes serious effort to show that another version is just as good, or even easier to use etc.

      In fact, there was more than one Monarch that was a bit upset to see their countries liquid cash assets going to the ruler of another country. In the EU, there might be more than one reason to not like MS.

    2. Re:The only way to fight bundling... by monkeyboythom · · Score: 2, Funny

      is to call it "snuggling."

    3. Re:The only way to fight bundling... by calebt3 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The OEM can put EXEs of whatever browsers they want on the desktop. Or at the very least they can install the browser that they want to without asking MS.

    4. Re:The only way to fight bundling... by nschubach · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, I think the issue is that MS doesn't release the specs to underlying OS APIs so that competitive browsers and office applications can function at the level of IE/Office. I think it's more of a fight to allow the user to totally replace IE with Opera/FF/Konquerer, file browser and all.

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    5. Re:The only way to fight bundling... by Tom · · Score: 3, Informative

      Education matters little.

      Even if the average user knows there are alternatives, it is additional work, he is insecure, and MS works hard to make it as inconvenient as possible.

      More importantly, corporate IT departments are very reluctant to install any additional software if there is already software of the same kind. They'll support one browser, one office suite, one media player. Guess which ones. Not because those are better, but because those are pre-installed and they have to support them anyways.

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    6. Re:The only way to fight bundling... by bmartin · · Score: 2, Informative

      If I had to guess, I'd say that MS probably offers incentives to companies to *not* have them install another browser or media player, or it might be in their OEM/vendor agreement (which would be a pretty clear exploit of monopoly, IMHO). Otherwise, we surely would have seen another browser installed by default by now.

      I've never seen a Windows-based computer come with more a non-MS browser or non-MS media player... unless you count preinstalled AOL.

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    7. Re:The only way to fight bundling... by el+americano · · Score: 2, Informative

      The argument that Microsoft's inclusion of functionality with Windows discourages third parties from making such functionality implies a far different view of OS and applications that is present in the market.

      The problem is that users and, more importantly, OEMs should be able to remove the included versions without negative consequences. Given that windows update requires IE, I'd say Opera and Firefox don't have a level playing field. There is also the issue of releasing full specifications and giving the built-in apps preferred access to the OS.

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  2. another one?!? by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 3, Funny

    Man, the EU must really be out to get MS. They're opening what, like a new investigation every day?

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  3. Tis a shame by clckwrk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wonder if it's Microsoft being a clear example of a company that got ahead and then rested on it's lead or is it cases like this that are bringing it down? Now that they're losing their lead it's hard for them to change because it's so ingrained in their corporate culture that they're ahead. Granted they do put out some new and interesting technology, they are getting smoked in a number of areas.

  4. No, Don't Start Anything You Can't Finish by curmudgeon99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft's problem is that they thought they were beyond reach. They behaved as bastards--thinking they could not be touched. So, Microsoft started this and the EU is pissed and is going to finish it.

  5. Re:MS pulls out of EU by Daimanta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think you understand how huge the EU market is. If MS doesn't release any software into the EU you can expect a BIG shareprice drop.

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  6. Re:MS pulls out of EU by Mantaar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Orly?

    Are you just joking, or a complete nutjob? I assume it's the former, just for the sake of sanity.

    Inhabitants of the EU: 494.8, Millions, that is. Way more than Kentucky. Way more than the US, actually. Over half of the households in Europe are actually using computers. That's one hell of a market, if you ask me. MS can't, just can't afford to lose that market. And it's not only about the numbers - the European market is very innovative, many software companies are producing - well... software. Imagine if their environment wouldn't mostly use Windows as its main OS?

    References:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_statistics
    http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90781/90877/6314195.html

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  7. Re:MS pulls out of EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Good god, you're a complete ignorant. If idiocy could be measured in kilos, there would be a black hole in your ass already.

  8. Re:MS pulls out of EU by msuarezalvarez · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow. I cannot believe 3 people can miss such absurd sarcasm. Wow.

  9. Re:MS pulls out of EU by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'm not sure they could do that without breaking the agreement on trade-related aspects of intellectual property rights(trips). I'm pretty sure that their will be a premium placed on EU citizens at some point for all these attacks on microsoft.

    Well, being a little more serious here, revoking Microsoft's copyrights would be the nuclear option in any such dispute. That's the step they take after they've issued arrest warrants for Microsoft executives but found that they're all in the US and extradition isn't going to happen. Pretty extreme. There are treaties and so forth, but a copyright is considered a form of property, so there's no reason the EU courts couldn't confiscate Microsoft's copyrights as part of a legal penalty and declare them public domain, just as they could confiscate Microsoft's offices in Europe and auction them off.

    Microsoft would probably struggle to enforce any kind of premium on EU consumers anyway. What's to stop us importing their completely weightless product from outside the Union?

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  10. Re:All these investigations. by el+americano · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Shouldn't you be a little less skeptical given that this was the basis of the original DOJ cases against Microsoft in the U.S.? ... before they mysteriously went away, that is. If you want to suspect that justice is being subverted, you might look instead to why those lawsuits did not follow to their logical conclusion after the initial ruling. It's not hard to follow the money in that case, now is it?

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