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UI Designers Hired by Mozilla

ta bu shi da yu writes "Mozilla has hired several developers from Humanized. According to Ars Technica, Humanized is a "small software company that is known for its considerable usability expertise and innovative user interface design. The Humanized developers will be working at Mozilla Labs on Firefox and innovative new projects.""

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  1. More Raskins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Humanized is Jef Raskin's son's company. The kid has been living and breathing UI design his entire life. Looks like Mozilla picked a good one.

    1. Re:More Raskins by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah. Clearly the guy who invented holding down the Caps Lock key and typing "open firefox" to start firefox (real example from their home page) is a UI genius.

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    2. Re:More Raskins by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Considering the popularity of Launchy (Win), Vista's start search, Quicksilver/Spotlight (Mac), Katapult (KDE) and GNOME Deskbar, I'd say he either hit a home run or knows trends when he sees them.

      Personally, I feel very lost when I can't use any of those tools.

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    3. Re:More Raskins by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Google Desktop does this too -- I actually realized that Launchy was totally redundant once I installed Google Desktop, so I removed it. Launchy is great, though.

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    4. Re:More Raskins by xtracto · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Considering the popularity of Launchy (Win), Vista's start search, Quicksilver/Spotlight (Mac), Katapult (KDE) and GNOME Deskbar, I'd say he either hit a home run or knows trends when he sees them.

      And this brings me to the question of, why aren't the menu and windows keys binded by default in many of the most popular linux distributions?, here I am writing this in Fedora 8 and neither the menu or any of the two windows keys of the keyobard do anything. The same thing happens in Ubuntu 7.10.

      Now, I know there is a super-duper easy way to bind them in X/Y/Z menu or editing certain.conf file, but these keys are in almost every keyboard nowadays and they have specific functions (one open the sytem menu, the other opens the "alternative button" menu. And moreover, if they are binded by default and there is some keyboard that does not have them, it won't hurt the user in any way!

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    5. Re:More Raskins by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 4, Informative

      With Deskbar, after pressing alt-space, I could:
      *launch a program out of the App menu
      *launch a program from my PATH
      *go to a web page
      *start a mail to someone with their address or name
      *launch a bookmark
      *run a Tracker search
      *look up something in the dictionary
      *post to Twitter

      And all of this is done in context, without having to drop a command before it.

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  2. Mayby they can send them to by Respawner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the Open Office project.
    I always find myself lost when trying even basic stuff, could be I just suck at it ;-) but somehow I've always appreciated indesign more

    1. Re:Mayby they can send them to by eln · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not about making things pretty, it's about making things functional. In fact, I'd argue that too much effort has gone into making everything pretty and shiny and not enough on making things intuitive.

      A UI designer should be concerned first and foremost with making things intuitive: putting the most common tasks in obvious places, making the program work the way people would expect it to work, that sort of thing. Then, they can send it off to the art department to make the buttons shiny if they want to.

      I've often worked on projects where my job as a programmer (we didn't have "UI designers") was to make sure the program worked, flowed well, and performed tasks in an intuitive way. The designs were ugly as sin, but they worked. Then, we'd send the thing off to some graphic designer to make everything look pretty without changing the flow, button placement, etc.

    2. Re:Mayby they can send them to by emaname · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...to the GIMP project. PLEASE send them to the GIMP project. I'm begging you.

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    3. Re:Mayby they can send them to by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You'd be surprised by how easily people are confused by this.

      Create a butt-ugly program where every feature is easy to find and compare it with a beautiful interface where every button is hidden behind layers of hoops. Most people will claim the beautiful one is more usable.

      I've seen this while developing games; you can have all the gameplay finished and finetuned but not until the game has nice pictures instead of placeholders will they consider it "playable", even if you tell them you've yet to make it pretty.

      This begs the question whether an open source project should be more concerned about looking usable or actually being usable. For commercial software, looks usually sell better than functionality. Sad but true. FOSS doesn't need to sell financially.

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  3. Ka-ching! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The lesson here is that to make progress sometimes you have to pay people.

  4. Re:good by filbranden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    firefox needs an UI facelift!

    No it doesn't! More important than having a cool UI is adhering to current UI standards and doing things the way users expect them.

    In most cases, great UI improvements are the incremental ones, not the revolutionary ones.

    Firefox is already on the right track. Change it just for the sake of changing it would be bad.

  5. I don't want innovative, give me easy, familiar .. by petes_PoV · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ... and intuitive any day.

    It really hacks me off when someone changes a UI (or goods on supermarket shelves, for that matter) just for the sake of doing something new.

    What we need are some standards here. Preferable just one, so people stick to it.

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  6. learning curves by Arthur+B. · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Humanized website is an interesting read. While they do make valid points, they seem to fall into the "dummies" culture. Why does everything today has to be "for dummies" or in "24 hour"? What's wrong with learning curves? Learning curves exist for a reason... they're not here to make user's life miserable but simply because an interface that you learn can be more effective in the future. Of course, just because it's hard doesn't mean it's powerful. It is possible to build an unintuitive AND uneffective interface, but I think it is not always possible to be both intuitive and effective. On the humanized website, they seem to solely focus on the former : why is that? I think we are in fact facing a wide cultural problem of high time preference... before are not willing to spend a few minutes reading a manual or a few days getting use to a device, even if it can save them days later. For example, my mother works with computers all day and hunt and pecks at 20WPM. When I told her to spend some time learning to touchtype, she claim she didn't have time. Same story when I was in college, watching people spend hours writing formulas in word because it took too much time to learn LaTeX.

    Back to interfaces. If what I describe is indeed a cultural phenomenom, then the guys at humanized are right, they are merely reflecting market demand for simplicity versus efficience, but this is in itself a sad thing. I think they do not emphasize the possibility of satisfying different kind of customers by providing optional advanced options.

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    1. Re:learning curves by Unordained · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://www.mit.edu/~jtidwell/language/sovereign_posture.html from a collection of HCI design patterns at http://www.mit.edu/~jtidwell/interaction_patterns.html; I think J. Tidwell has since moved on to http://designinginterfaces.com/Introduction however, and in restructuring her thinking items like 'Sovereign Posture' seemed to lose their place. The new site seems to be more about layout than 'modes' or 'purposes' of use.

      'Sovereign Posture' refers to the situation where an interface may be complex, and is designed for the 'expert user', but that's okay -- anyone using it already intends to become an expert and is willing to take the time needed to do so, so long as they know the reward will be a faster/more-expressive work environment. The idea is that sometimes it's not worth it to create a 'dummy' version of your software. It makes some sense for 'winzip', but not for 'word'.

  7. Re:UI Experts??? by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, they put the SITE MAP at the bottom of each page. The main nav is the navbar at the top of the page. Would you be making the same complaint if they had just made the site map a separate page like most sites do?

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  8. Re:I don't want innovative, give me easy, familiar by hausrath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But here's the thing... The statement they're making by doing this is that they think the interface they have isn't satisfactory - isn't intuitive enough. Hiring these people says that they recognize that improvements can be made in the UI which will make firefox more intuitive and easy to use. If that comes at the expense of some (quickly forgotten) sense of familiarity, so be it.

  9. Re:good by slashbob22 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In most cases, great UI improvements are the incremental ones, not the revolutionary ones.

    It is a gamble. Office and ribbon are a good example. The trasition from the current way of doing things to ribbon can be time consuming, however when you have transitioned it is an improvement. Is it worth the pain? tbd.
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  10. Re:The problem wiht usability experts by kellyb9 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're missing the point altogether behind usability. An interface should be intuitive such that someone who has never worked with a computer in their life can walk up and understand what they're doing after a limited amount of time. Vi may be powerful, and I'm sure you'll get modded up on a place like Slashdot for mentioning it. But when I walk up to a terminal using it, what do I do? what are the conventions in place? How does it relate to anything in the real world? Bottom line is that it doesn't meet any of the criteria behind usability. As much as it pains me to say this, Microsoft Word is more powerful than Vi in terms of usability. You push a letter and it shows up on the screen.

  11. Re:good by filbranden · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Office and ribbon are a good example.

    Actually Office 2007 is one of my pet peeves. Incidentally, Microsoft nowadays seems to be breaking all UI standards just for the sake of the change. For instance, you can see several rants on Vista's new Windows Explorer, IE7's lack of menu bar, and Office's infamous ribbon.

    Funnily enough, sometime ago, the excuse not to adopt non-MS technology was that the interface doesn't follow Windows guidelines, it doesn't integrate with Windows as well as Microsoft applications (this was always a complaint with Lotus Notes on a company I worked for).

    Now, Microsoft is making this problem irrelevant, since their own software doesn't follow Windows guidelines anymore. Heck, not even the different families of Windows apps are not consistent. If you see Office, IE, Messenger, WMP, it looks like each one of them was made by a completely different software vendor.