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Big Delays, Small Laptops: OLPC XO Recipients Mad

PCWMike writes to tell us about the growing concern over the failure of OLPC to deliver laptops to some of its customers. PC World editor-in-chief Harry McCracken notes that record-keeping was poor for some of the people who paid via PayPal. A report on LinuxJournal also suggests that customer information was lost due to errors in the database software used by OLPC. Quoting PC World: "OLPC spokesperson Jackie Lustig acknowledges problems with the ordering and the fulfillment process, but says the biggest challenges are a short supply of XO laptops and the organization's ability to meet consumer demand for the XO laptop. Some also wonder whether chronic delivery problems for Give One, Get One donors may bode poorly for the 15 countries slated to receive nearly 500,000 XO notebooks. Lustig says delivering in bulk to just over a dozen countries is infinitely simpler than processing and delivering 80,000 individual laptops."

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  1. Money transferred but no accountability? by Malevolent+Tester · · Score: 5, Funny

    They're really getting the hang of foreign aid. I applaud OLPC for their quick adaption.

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    1. Re:Money transferred but no accountability? by Rogerborg · · Score: 5, Funny

      Also, they've unashamedly fucking over their early adopters and strongest advocates. Have they been acquired by Apple?

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  2. Why am I not surprised? by mi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Starry-eyed desire to save the world is a good drive, but fulfilling the orders and delivering on the promises requires a lot of mundane work. One needs to get "all corporationy" to provide consistently good service...

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    1. Re:Why am I not surprised? by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Actually not true, in fact getting 'all corporationy' really means how far can you minimise service, support and the cost savings achieved do not exceed the number of customers lost, including the customary PR=B$ snow jobs, which attempt to convince the customer they are the only one with a problem and it was their fault anyhow and even so the corporation still cares about their problem and it will be completely resolved in two weeks, two more weeks, yet two more weeks, just two more weeks, honest just two more weeks, 'er', two weeks after a likely to be successful class action law suit is initiated.

      All OLPC needs to do is ensure they are able to focus upon delivery or subcontract those services out to a logistics company that can achieve those goals at a reasonable price. The logistics route is often simpler as those companies can readily handle break down packaging from bulk to individual orders as well as final delivery to the recipient and if required keep the recipient advised if there are any delivery delays.

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    2. Re:Why am I not surprised? by mi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually not true, in fact getting 'all corporationy' really means how far can you minimise ...

      And the answer is not far at all... Just wait for these orders to finally arrive and people try to get support for them... Dell got a lot of flaming over outsourcing support to India — OLPC outsourced it to the even worse-trained rural teachers, etc. There'll be more horror-stories — watch this place.

      All OLPC needs to do is ... subcontract those services out to a logistics company

      Yes, I agree, that's one way to get "corporationy" — unless you can name a logistics co-op/commune, that is...

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    3. Re:Why am I not surprised? by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, when is the last time you had a major reputable corporation just completely lose you order after you paid them? Not lose your shipment, not screw your order up, but COMPLETELY LOSE IT. This suggests a pretty basic level of incompetence.

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    4. Re:Why am I not surprised? by wall0159 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, I haven't had a major coporation lose an order of mine. However, I'm a small sample set.

      I've just moved to the UK, and the incompetence of various companies has absolutely astounded me. I've just set up
      Banking
      Phone
      Internet
      Mobile Phones
      Insurance

      Not once - NOT A SINGLE TIME - has the company not cocked up something that has required me to phone them back (and queue on the phone) at least once. Several cases have require multiple such calls (the worst required me to ditch them and go with someone else). Seriously, corporations suck - in my experience they're much more hopeless than government organisations. I reckon that whoever says the opposite has an agenda.

    5. Re:Why am I not surprised? by mi · · Score: 3, Informative

      Seriously, corporations suck - in my experience they're much more hopeless than government organisations.

      Where I'm from the government was providing all of the services, and some of the services you are listing — Internet, Mobile Phones — simply did not exist. To get a regular phone line, one had to wait in queue for years.

      I reckon that whoever says the opposite has an agenda.

      Yes, and whoever disagrees with me is a moron.

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  3. It *is* simpler by BlackHawk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He is absolutely correct; a half-million units shipped to just 12 to 15 destinations *IS* simple by comparison. Just look at the complexities of UPS' operations in moving 80000 packages within the boundaries of the US, and that becomes apparent.

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    1. Re:It *is* simpler by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Interesting

      He is absolutely correct; a half-million units shipped to just 12 to 15 destinations *IS* simple by comparison. Just look at the complexities of UPS' operations in moving 80000 packages within the boundaries of the US, and that becomes apparent. Yep. This is why any company that does significant amounts of shipping has an entire department and sometimes more than one department devoted to it. Some companies even have entire shipping divisions. Moving a large number of packages quickly is a significant undertaking and that's why there's an entire industry called the logistics industry devoted to it. A friend of mine works in the logistics industry and her job is to coordinate the shipping of packages and crates to various places around the world. It's a big job.
    2. Re:It *is* simpler by Red+Flayer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Shipping one unit to one location is simple.

      Shipping 100 units to 100 locations is simple.

      Shipping 80,000 units to 80,000 locations is also simple, though the volume is orders of magnitude higher.

      The problem is that they did not appropriately plan and acquire/devote resources to distribution. Maybe they didn't think about the extra cost associated with tracking and distributing those orders.

      There is no reason why distribution of pre-orders should present any kind of challenge to a company. This is not on-demand shipping, or just-in-time delivery. This is simply basic distribution scaled up.

      Maybe I'm a bit harsh, but there is simply no excuse for someone to promise deliverables without a plan to deliver them. Did they not expect so many orders?

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  4. Please reconcile by mccalli · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the summary:

    "OLPC spokesperson Jackie Lustig acknowledges problems with the ordering and the fulfillment process, but says the biggest challenges are a short supply of XO laptops and the organization's ability to meet consumer demand for the XO laptop....Lustig says delivering in bulk to just over a dozen countries is infinitely simpler than processing and delivering 80,000 individual laptops."

    But how can that be, if the problem is short supply of the laptop?

    Cheers,
    Ian

    1. Re:Please reconcile by Captain+Chaos · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The large shipments to developing nations take priority over G1G1 donor shipments. This was made clear while the program was running, but it appears some people must not have paid attention to that. I donated and I am still waiting on mine, but I'm not hopping mad like some people seem to be. I knew getting me my laptop wasn't the top priority, as was made clear on the site. I am anxious to get my hands on one, but I just got an update Wednesday, so it may not be too much longer since I am in the shipping queue for the next shipment.

  5. Patience and Hope by jbrohan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This OLPC is going to change the world. I've got mine now and it is wonderful exactly what is needed IMHO. They are trying to do something that is very very hard and they need all the encouragement and kind words that are to be found. I hope they solve their delivery problems smoothly soon. No lack of talent in this group of people.

    1. Re:Patience and Hope by nuzak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > It's better to teach a man how to fish than to just give him a fish.

      And better yet to let a man fish. Or a woman, as the case may be (kind of insane to not allow the majority of your farm workforce to own property).

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  6. I hate being so untrusting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...but PC World, questioning OLPC's ability to deliver? And goodness me, look here: Intel and Microsoft with their alternative. No doubt Classmate sales-pitches will involve a lot of paraphrasing from articles of this type.

    It seems that a lot of recent OLPC stories are being drummed up to try and discredit them, and it is a bit sickening.

  7. Database Software Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    But but but....The database sotfware is open source...It couldn't have screwed up since there are so many eyeballs looking at the code.

  8. No, I still don't have my XO... by gorim · · Score: 3, Informative

    And I can't even track my order in their online tracking database. First email went unanswered and second one got a response, but was missing any indication of when they would ship, just that they were overwhelmed with the response.

  9. Seems a bit mean-spirited... by Obstin8 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This article, and others like it that I've read, seem a little bit mean-spirited. OLPC is, after all, a charity organization - a noble one at that -, and not some high-volume order fulfillment logistics operation. All these articles suggest a crass, inflated-expectation, instant-gratification, "I WANT IT NOW!", type of consumerism to me.

    I'm in Canada, and waited 7 weeks for my XO to arrive. No biggie. I've waited almost as long for Dell to ship correctly configured servers on occasion. Those were biggies. Were my expectations appropriate for each company? I think so.

    I'm sure that OLPC will honor all their commitments and get these orders out as soon as they can. Sometime s**t happens, and things falls through the cracks. People should just take a deep breath, and ask themselves if they'd rather have their XO right now, or have the one they donated delivered first.

    G1G1 doesn't stand for "Get one, give one".

    1. Re:Seems a bit mean-spirited... by apathy+maybe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. OLPC project is not a fucking business.

      Their core job is not to make and sell laptops to individuals. What would be great here (and if the free market really actually worked...), would be for a dedicated company to step in and sell the things directly to people in over-developed countries. That way the project can get on with developing and distributing to governments, and someone else can distribute to individuals.

      Of course, they might cost slightly more because of the profit motive, but heck, most of them are seemingly being bought by geeks who already have 3 computers and can afford an extra $50 or so.

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  10. Re:Focus on what they do best? by adriccom · · Score: 5, Informative

    Oddly, that is who OLPC partnered with to do G1G1, and who share the blame for the screwups.

    Please see the draft flowchart, if you like:
    http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_laptop_delivery_works

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  11. No, most people would be patient... by gorim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the online tracking database worked. As of now you type in your email address or order number and it can't find you. This leads one to believe that the order was lost even though payment was already extracted. At least with your Dell shipment, Dell could tell you the order was in the system and will ship in X time.

  12. the silence is the problem by xeno · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I ordered two -- in the first hour of the first day of the promotion -- to be shipped to my house in the US. As of today, I have nothing. No laptops, no email, no nuthin.' I phoned and confirmed that my order number does exist and indeed I have been charged for both the laptops (in November) and $50 for shipping (the day after Christmas).

    But it's not the lack of laptops that's turning me from an interested and cheerful donor, to mild annoyance when it didn't show up before Christmas, to contemplating reversing the charges. It's the lack of information. Sure, there are delays. Sure, there are priorities for getting big shipments out to major educational recipients. But I gave these folks $850, and I don't even get the courtesy of a *status* message?

    According to the schedule, mine should have showed up a month ago -- at the absolute latest. Before Christmas. I made the mistake of telling my kids about it, thinking I would teach them something about partnerships and donations, etc etc, and that's my own fault. But *still* even after phone calls and tracing and corrections... when I check the laptopgiving.org page, it tells me the order number is invalid, and that my email address is not found.

    The kicker is that I work for a UN agency that manages large refugee aid programs, and I had to borrow an OLPC from a friend to show it to the Education & IT department directors. They're very interested in the OLPC, as it fits some of the educational needs pretty nicely. What am I going to tell these guys when they ask whether the project is well-run, has decent governance, and can deliver?

    Sheesh.

    -Jon

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  13. Well trust *me* then... by Gordo_1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All I want is for OLPC to survive and make a positive impact worldwide -- and that's why I participated in G1G1. But let me tell you, it's amateur hour as far as logistics go. They naively thought that because the laptop hardware was ready, everything else would magically fall into place, so they rushed all starry-eyed into shipping laptops before Christmas. As it turns out, their completely untested shipping and support infrastructure was inadequate given the load.

    I've received a total of 3 different tracking numbers for my single laptop over the past 2 months. All 3 are invalid according to Fedex. I've called, verified that they have my correct address and been told my laptop was in the queue to ship a month ago. I was subsequently promised a delivery by the end of the year, then by January 15th, both of which have come and gone. Then they promised to reveal the shipping date by this Wednesday in an email sent on Monday. On Thursday they backed off of that claim, and said that hardware supply issues were at fault and assured me that I would receive another email at some point in the future with a shipping date. And so the saga continues...

    Look, I'm cutting them a lot of slack because they're a non-profit trying to get off the ground and the primary goal here is to get laptops into the hands of needy children... but the problem is that they've been a model of evasive, unhelpful and secretive with regard to logistics problems from the start. If they had said, "hey we'll do our best to get you a laptop by March 2008" from the beginning, I think we all would have gone on with our lives, but for a not insignificant number of us, it's been one story after another -- all of which leads some of us to wonder whether the organization is hiding something with regard to our charitable donations.

    Anyway, I fully comprehend that G1G1 logistics issues do not imply that they'll have problems fulfilling orders overseas. And in fact, the G1G1 program was for the most part an afterthought with regard to OLPC's primary mission. However, I think they've hurt themselves a great deal by not getting their act together with G1G1. Third-world purchase estimates have been cut by orders of magnitude since the heady days when Dr. Negroponte went around boasting that they wouldn't even talk to countries who weren't willing to buy a million laptops. The G1G1 program has become an instrumental tool in seeding laptop programs in places where reluctant national governments have backed off of early purchase promises. By pissing off G1G1 donors, they've essentially bit the hand that feeds them, and this will make it that much more difficult to realize Dr. Negroponte's original vision of one laptop per child.