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Motley Fool Writes Off Microsoft

The Vista disaster has caught Wall Street's attention before but I've never seen the popular press understand the issues like this argument in the Motley Fool. The opposing argument is a weak statement of faith, essentially "as it was in the beginning is now and forever shall be." "You don't need to watch the 'I'm a Mac, I'm a PC' commercials to see that Microsoft is taking a beating. You see it in the company's financials where its online unit, incredibly, is operating at a loss; overheating Xbox 360 consoles find the company taking a huge warranty hit for a system losing market share to the Wii; and the upgrade wave of its flagship operating system has been more of a ripple than a tsunami. That last point is important. This was supposed to be Microsoft's final feast, the major last hurrah for its Windows Vista operating entry and its Office 2007 suite of applications before the inevitable embrace of cheaper open source operating systems and Web-based apps... In fact, even Microsoft will tell you that its fortunes peaked several months ago."

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  1. Who thinks The Fool is a good source? by acvh · · Score: 5, Informative

    AP
    Microsoft Tops Street in 2Q; PC Sales Up
    Friday January 25, 9:45 am ET
    By Jessica Mintz, AP Technology Writer
    Microsoft Beats Street in 2nd Quarter; Vista, Office, Xbox Games Helped

    SEATTLE (AP) -- Microsoft Corp. forecast a rosy 2008 -- despite broader economic worries -- after it blew by Wall Street's expectations for a second consecutive quarter.
    "We will be impacted just like everybody else," if the U.S. falls into a recession, Chief Financial Officer Chris Liddell said Thursday. "But overall, we feel very optimistic about our second half."

    Company officials touted rising sales in each of Microsoft's business divisions, a slate of important upcoming business-software launches and the growing contribution from sales in non-U.S. markets.

    Microsoft raised its outlook Thursday for the rest of its fiscal year, which ends in June, matching Wall Street's forecast and sending shares up in after-hours trading.

    The software maker's quarterly earnings jumped 79 percent to $4.71 billion, or 50 cents per share, from $2.63 billion, or 26 cents per share in the second quarter a year earlier. Quarterly revenue climbed 31 percent to $16.37 billion from $12.5 billion.

    1. Re:Who thinks The Fool is a good source? by PinkyDead · · Score: 3, Informative

      Those statistics you quote are interesting, and definitely look good for Microsoft. However, just a quick look a google finance's view of them: http://finance.google.com/finance?q=MSFT
      tells a different story.

      The income is good, but they've just released a new product. That's to be expected.

      Looking at the balance sheet though, their numbers are not so good. The actual value of the company is weakening while at the same time their liabilities are rising - at a time when their liabilities should be reducing due to the end of the development costs of Vista.

      And then even worse their cash situation is looking very bleak - especially when you consider that the US is heading for a recession (to survive a recession you need cash and as much of it as you can get).

      The have a new product out which should be selling for cash - their balance sheet should be rising as should their cashflow. It isn't.

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  2. Uhh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    What part of Microsoft's record earnings yesterday did Slashdot seem to overlook? I think the joke is on us.

    http://www.news.com/8301-13860_3-9857633-56.html?tag=newsmap

  3. What about the Bull Argument? by Red+Pointy+Tail · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is a corresponding Bull Argument that argues the Counterpoint - each with its own rebuttal of the other argument.

    So much for Motley Fool writing off Microsoft. Typically - guess which article gets highlighted in /.!

  4. Re:Hasta la Vista by wwwillem · · Score: 3, Informative

    The phrase 'hasta la vista, baby' features in an exchange between the film's characters John Connor (Edward Furlong) and 'The Terminator' (Arnold Schwarzenegger):

    John Connor: No, no, no, no. You gotta listen to the way people talk. You don't say "affirmative," or some shit like that. You say "no problemo." And if someone comes on to you with an attitude you say "eat me." And if you want to shine them on it's "hasta la vista, baby."
    The Terminator: Hasta la vista, baby.
    John Connor: Yeah but later, dickwad. And if someone gets upset you say, "chill out"! Or you can do combinations.
    The Terminator: Chill out, dickwad.
    John Connor: Great! See, you're getting it!
    The Terminator: No problemo.

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  5. Re:Interesting by Calinous · · Score: 3, Informative

    Windows 2000 was NOT and answer to Windows Me. They were directed to completely different markets: Me was to replace Win98SE, Win98 and Win95, while Windows 2000 was to replace Windows NT 4.0.
          Windows XP Home Edition replaces Windows Me

  6. Re:Interesting by Aladrin · · Score: 4, Informative

    BTW, the XBox portion of MS (the games division) -has- stopped hemorraging cash.

    http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/26/2052251

    http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/847/847658p1.html

    Yes, 2 quarters in a row now, it has turned a profit.

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  7. Re:Most interesting part of article... by geekoid · · Score: 3, Informative

    MS started paying dividends because there stock value was flattening.

    If MS didn't have to pay dividends to get investors, they wouldn't. Because having 60B and not trying to get 70B is just dumb.

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  8. Re:In other news by ipxodi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Absolutely common to skip versions.
    My company went from 95/98 directly to XP. Even with Office we still have most of the installs at Office 97 or 2000 with only a few Office 2003 copies.

    When we upgrade, I expect it will be directly to "Windows 7". And since I'm the IT Director, my expectations will probably prove accurate. ;)

    Being a small company, the cost of upgrading is prohibitive, so we squeeze the last bit of usage out of our expenditures.

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  9. Re:In other news by SerpentMage · · Score: 4, Informative

    I wish people would understand the market and understand VALUATIONS... Microsoft at these higher levels has a PE of 21. Apple at 200 had PE of around 45 or so. A valuation of 45 requires extreme growth each and every quarter with no errors. Apple said themselves that the next quarter will be slower. Thus the market is going to refactor everything.

    And after all if you had invest in Apple last year you would have had 117% returns. Apple is overvalued... plain and simple...

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  10. Re:In other news by Lally+Singh · · Score: 3, Informative

    All things aside, one way to look at vista's success is the software itself. XP was a desirable set of changes for the end user from ME/98/NT, but Vista?

    What was it, really? Sure, it's shipped on (some) new machines, but is there much reason to upgrade for most, the same way XP was?

    IMHO, no.

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  11. Re:It's neither. by LupusUF · · Score: 4, Informative
    Which kind of goes against the bullish argument that they have no debt and large cash reserves, doesn't it? If they've burned through $40 billion of reserves in 3 years, if they do the same over the next 3 years they be around $20 billion in debt.


    They have been paying out a lot of dividends over the last few years, and have been putting money into new tech. Depleting their cash reserves is not a sign of weakness, it is a purposeful response to shareholder complaints. A few years back they faced a lot of criticism from shareholders because they had to large of a cash reserve. Why is this a problem? Cash reserves are not making the company (or shareholders) any money. If a company can't find anything to do with their cash reserves that they think will meet their required rate of return on investment (ie: invest in R&D, capital, or other ways to improve the future profitability of the company), they should return that money to shareholders via dividends.


    Their current depletion of cash does not suggest that they will be in debt in a few years. Once they have lowered their cash reserves to a level deemed appropriate by their shareholders, they will change their strategy. So to answer your question, yes there is a huge difference in eliminating 40 billion in reserves and taking on 40 billion into debt.