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Similar DNA Molecules Able to Recognize Each Other

Chroniton brings us a story about research into DNA which has shown that free-floating DNA strands are able to seek out similar strands without the assistance of other chemicals. From Imperial College London: "The researchers observed the behaviour of fluorescently tagged DNA molecules in a pure solution. They found that DNA molecules with identical patterns of chemical bases were approximately twice as likely to gather together than DNA molecules with different sequences. Understanding the precise mechanism of the primary recognition stage of genetic recombination may shed light on how to avoid or minimise recombination errors in evolution, natural selection and DNA repair. This is important because such errors are believed to cause a number of genetically determined diseases including cancers and some forms of Alzheimer's, as well as contributing to ageing."

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  1. Don't anthropomorphize chemical compounds. by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Funny

    (They hate it when you do that.)

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    1. Re:Don't anthropomorphize chemical compounds. by B3ryllium · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But in this case, the chemical compounds do that to themselves ...

    2. Re:Don't anthropomorphize chemical compounds. by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This post is either profoundly deep or really dumb.

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    3. Re:Don't anthropomorphize chemical compounds. by B3ryllium · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you'll find, upon re-reading it, that it is actually profoundly dumb.

  2. Here's another question ... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    are there any other compounds, perhaps naturally-occurring compounds that exhibit similar behavior? If so, that might go aways towards explaining how the first primordial single-celled organisms came about.

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    1. Re:Here's another question ... by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Informative

      RNA likely does the same thing as the only differences being that uracil replaces thymine and there's a hydroxyl group in the 2' position. RNA is thought to be one of the most important or the most important chemicals in the formation of life on Earth. it forms complex structures that can be catalytic [self cleaving, primitive peptidase activity etc..] just like proteins and it is a carrier of genetic information. in many organisms, RNA segments are "charged" with an amino acid and the amino acids are strung together like a bead necklace by ribosomes that match RNA anticodons to specific amino acids although in certain viruses, RNA acts primarily as an information carrier in several virus classification groups.

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  3. GATTACA by Bananatree3 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I doubt it will get to that, but I really am concerned. If you have not seen the movie Gattaca, check out the trailer.

    With all of its advances, I sure hope a code of conduct is built into societies laws to help contain its tech to good uses. Of course there may be gene doping, etc. But antidiscrimination laws may need to be written at some point.

    1. Re:GATTACA by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Insightful
      While I appreciate that there will be all sorts of concerns raised with the rise of biotechnology, do realize that Gattaca's world is a bit... oversimplified. Think about it. There are basically two classes of people: astronauts and janitors.

      The real world is going to be more complicated than that. This is a good thing.

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    2. Re:GATTACA by MacarooMac · · Score: 3, Funny

      Look on the bright side: in 2020 slashdot's DNA detector will scan all would-be posters and automatically discriminate against subjects possessing the Troll Gene(TM) and the evolution-defying 'Sh*t For Brains' condition. Elitist? Yes. Popular? Definitely.

      Mind you, I for one'll need to undertake some wide-scale homologous recombos beteen now an then...

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    3. Re:GATTACA by Beavertank · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If I remember the movie correctly there were anti-discrimination laws, which were technically followed, but when you can extract the genetic information you need from a lost hair or even the epithelial cells contained in a urine sample (for drug testing, of course) you can fairly simply come up with another excuse for not hiring the person and it can never be proved that you did not, in fact, hire them because you knew they'd be dead by 40 of heart disease.


      Which was all pretty clearly spelled out in the movie, I think.

    4. Re:GATTACA by thrillseeker · · Score: 3, Funny

      get yer posts in now ... it's gonna get mighty quiet around here ...

  4. So do the jockish DNA molecules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    gang up to throw the nerdy molecules into their lockers?

  5. Re:So if they figure out.. by cobaltnova · · Score: 5, Informative
    No. Homologous recombination occurs for two purposes [wikipedia.org]:
    1. in germ cells for "crossover" diversification of offspring, and
    2. in somatic cells to repair already damaged DNA.
    Though there are other genetic mechanisms of aging (Telomere shrinkage), and still more non-genetic.
  6. Re:Possibility for alternative method of DNA testi by mattb112885 · · Score: 2, Informative

    They already do this, it's called hybridization .

  7. Why is this surprising? by istartedi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If I had two strands of magnets, arranged with random orders of polarity, identical strands would be able to stick together along the entire length in a "head to tail" fashion. Dissimilar strands would have "weak spots" where they didn't want to stick together. If you wiggled them, they'd be more likely to come aparts.

    At the molecular level, electrical forces (analogous to the magetic attraction above) and thermal forces (analogous to the wiggling) dominate but the analogy is similar. This just doesn't seem like such an amazing thing to me.

    Come on, let's try it. It probably won't be as cool as using mouse traps and ping-pong balls to demonstrate chain reactions; but it might still be interesting.

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    1. Re:Why is this surprising? by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 2, Informative

      you might also make an analogy to crystallization, but it is surprising because dna strands in solution are flexible, and the charge density differences are not that great, and, most importantly, in any reasonable solution (water, salt, pH...) the DNA is either heavily charged (and therfore intrinsically self repulsive) or coated with proteins, which give the association property naturally
      this paper is like a lot of biophysics: completely irrelevant to any property of dna in the real world

  8. Is it just me... by vajaradakini · · Score: 2, Insightful

    or does eliminating certain DNA errors seem like a possibly very bad idea? I mean, let's say that a gene causes Alzheimer's disease later in life, but it gives its carrier immunity to a new virus that appears. Eliminating this gene from the entire species could wind up killing us all off in the end. Just because something appears to be a disadvantage doesn't mean that it's always so.

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  9. Re:base pairing by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 2

    I believe that the article is saying that the molecules seem to "seek" each other out in solution, over and above just randomly bumping into each other.

  10. Re:Wha? by djtachyon · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is there a bad?

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  11. Suspicious by digitalderbs · · Score: 4, Informative

    I was quite suspicious of their claim, so I read the original article.

    The claim is that long DNA molecules (200bp) that have double helix structure (dsDNA) can "detect" each other over long distances -- as long as nanometers. Their claim is that sequence specific electrostatic type interactions -- which scale as 1/r -- lead to such recognition. Since the base interactions themselves are through H-bonds, the claim is that the base-pairs have subtle effects on the phosphodiester backbone (and the counter-ions around them) such that identical dsDNA molecules can recognize each other electrostatically without opening up. As stated in their introduction, this is quite controversial.

    DNA molecules already "recognize" themselves by opening up and hybridizing, and the lower energy molecular pairs -- i.e. sequence matched strands -- are more populated than mismatched molecules. They try to address this : "We consider it to be rather unlikely in this instance, since the probability of bubble formation in unstressed linear DNA of the studied length is very small in contrast to the case where topological strain is relieved by bubble formation in small circular DNA molecules."

    I'm not so sure that I would rule this option out because even partial hybridization changes the diffusivity constants of ssDNA/dsDNA molecules, which could lead to "pockets" of higher local concentration. I'm surprised that this wasn't elaborated more carefully, and that reviewers didn't jump all over this. Furthermore, I think they should have screened the electrostatics and changed the Debye length of these molecules and demonstrated a change in "recognition", at the very least.

    In any case, I am quite suspicious of their conclusions, as many other biophysicists are.

  12. Summary is wrong. Controversial conclusions. by digitalderbs · · Score: 4, Informative

    You misunderstood the conclusion they're trying to push from the result. (This isn't surprising because the summary didn't get the article.)

    As you've stated, DNA molecules that open up and close will more likely hybridize with molecules with a similar sequence. It's basic thermodynamics. The more complementary hydrogen bonds you can make between the bases of two DNA molecules, the more stable that molecule will be, and therefore, there will be a much greater population of that combination of DNA molecules in solution. Site directed mutagenesis works on this principle.

    What they're proposing in this article is that you have DNA molecules that recognize each others sequences without opening up. Two double stranded DNA molecules (dsDNA) *recognize* each other without seeing each other's bases -- purely an electrostatic effect and not a hydrogen-bonding effect. In B-form DNA, the bases are hidden by the DNA backbone, and their conclusion strikes many people (including myself) as crazy. I have another post that elaborates on this.

  13. Well... by costela · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...so much for Opposites Attract.
    Take that Paula Abdul!

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