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23,000 Linux PCs For Filipino Schools

Da Massive writes "Speaking at the linux.conf.au event in Melbourne, Australia, independent open source consultant Ricardo Gonzalez has told of how he has helped bring 23,000 Linux PCs to over 1000 schools in the Philippines: 'Ministers in the Filipino government now understand Linux can do so much for so little outlay.'" The slow process of educating a government that knew only Microsoft is especially well described in this piece.

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  1. don't hate me by blhack · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Let me preface this by saying that I am one of the biggest linux geeks you're ever going to meet. I run gentoo on my laptop, as well as on my Desktop at work. I have installed Ubuntu on my sisters' laptops and my mom's Desktop. I do graphic design work in scribus and inkscape.

    I'm a linux geek....but

    If the true goal of a computer program for a school is to ready its students for the workplace, then is linux really the best method of doing so? Isn't the school in some way doing its students a dis-service my training them on a computing method that they will very likely never use again?
    As much as i DESPISE some of microsoft's products (i admin a damn win2k3 server...do i really need to explain WHY i hate microsoft?) i understand that in order to function in a modern workplace, the ability to navigate microsoft windows is almost as essential as any other office skill.

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    1. Re:don't hate me by aussie_a · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Linux isn't used as much as it could be, because everyone knows Windows. If you train the next generation in Linux, businesses will have a greater incentive to switch, which means there'll be a greater incentive to develop software for Linux.

    2. Re:don't hate me by cheater512 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I am also a Gentoo guy.

      It doesnt matter what OS or software they use.
      Typing up a document or surfing the net is nearly identical no matter what you choose.

      Also hopefully some of these kids will go on to management and instead of being tied to Windows they will lean towards Linux instead.

      I really want to shoot the managers who think "Windows works well on my desktop. Lets make all our company servers run it too!"
      Thats a effect of Microsoft being in all the schools.
      In Australia, Microsoft actually gives away all their software to schools in a effort to make sure everyone is brought up with their software.

    3. Re:don't hate me by corsec67 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pretty much *any* software you are going to teach in school is going to be obsolete by the time they are "in the workforce", so it would be better to teach concepts as opposed to steps to follow. Teach them how to learn, not how to memorize, and they will get much further.

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    4. Re:don't hate me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't understand this. I think school should teach how to use computers - not to use some specific tool. If the kids learn spreadsheets by using OpenOffice.org I am 100% sure they will know how to use Excel as well. However, the plus side is that while learning OO.org, they are very likely to learn that MS Office is not the only option. Most people who use MS Office are not aware of OO.org or any other options. OO.org users are aware of MS Office though. This applies to Linux vs. Windows discussion as well. Teach the kids Linux and they will learn that world is not black and white (concerning the tools available to get the job done). I argue this because Linux users are mentally prepared to face different kind of computers.

    5. Re:don't hate me by DaHat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Funny... that's just what Apple was thinking in the mid to late 90's when Macs were most of what you saw in schools... what happend? Those folks ended up using PCs once they went on to college and real jobs.

    6. Re:don't hate me by AvitarX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I used an Amiga with Word Perfect at school, and DOS with Word Perfect at home.

      Fortunately the skills were useful for Word at a later point, and understanding how directories (now folders) work.

      Many people I work with (as customers) don't understand how to download something from the internet (or an email attachment) and find it at a later time. This is a useful skill that is very cross platform. As are typing, google, webmail, and even spreadsheets.

      If someone can learn enough to type as quickly as fast handwriting, use the internet, send an e-mail, and save a file for later retrieval they are much better off than one who can't.

      Spell check, and spreadsheets are bonuses.

      It could also reasonably be argues that the purpose of computers in school is to save money by not needing encyclopedias and other types of expensive books, and to augment the ability to teach certain types of subjects.

      I say this as someone who set up a Xubuntu computer at my wife's work for a summer internship for high-school students that had very little computer experience (they could use a mouse and type, and certainly knew how to find myspace instead of work though). They would stay after they could leave to use the computer to type essays and learned how to enter data into a spreadsheet along with basic (very basic) spreadsheet concepts like sorting and dragging down a column to repeat a pattern. These are the types of things that will help them be more qualified in the workforce even though they gained no Windows experience.

      Software like the test builder/taker in Edubuntu could be a great bonus to a school poor school and could easily save a school dollars a test (goes somewhat to paying for the computers).

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    7. Re:don't hate me by GaryPatterson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, all those Mac-only programs like Word and Excel, well there's no way I can use that knowledge on a Windows machine now. And those Mac-only programming languages like BASIC, C, C++ and Pascal. Useless now that I use a Windows machine at work. Even those Mac GUI concepts like copy and paste are un-transferable to Windows.

      Stupid Apple. Stupid schools.

      All that time spent learning apps and stuff on a Mac was totally wasted.

    8. Re:don't hate me by rts008 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Teach them how to learn, not how to memorize, and they will get much further."

      Talk about hitting the proverbial nail on the head....with a sledgehammer!!

      Sadly, that method of teaching is not as prevalent as it should be.
      When I was in college, one of the most important things I was taught is the concept of knowing where to find 'the reference materials needed' instead of a crapload of by rote memorizing.

      I got my AAS in Veterinary Technology (think Registered Nurse for Critters), and while I was doing that, a BS in Biochemistry just kind of fell into the mix with no additional effort. (Vet Tech is TOUGH!)...No way to memorize all of the needed info, but knowing when and where to find the info needed made the big difference.
      Medical Terminology, Pharmacology, and Anatomy(leg bone connected to the hip bone...by what? and by which attachments?!...hint: there are 27 major attachments to the scapula-shoulderblade to be learned- How's that for a non-sequitur?) are all brute force memorization, but after passing the classes it is just a PDR away (PDR=Physician's Desk Reference). Many times I have thanked the head of Murry State's head of Agriculture and Veterinary Medicine's Dr. Kay Helms for this little bit of insight.

      This concept applies readily to any tech field, and many more. *disclaimer: this could be a more cogent post if I was not into my second beer! (9.5% alcohol by volume, 40 oz.)*

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    9. Re:don't hate me by cduffy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Those folks ended up using PCs once they went on to college and real jobs.
      Ehh? I haven't seen a decent university-level computer science program yet that isn't mostly using UNIX, and there're plenty of "real jobs" for folks who know something other than win32.

      Even for those that do go on to work with Windows, though, having used more than one UI is a Good Thing for a reason: The more of them you learn, the better able you are to notice and generalize the common concepts, and the less limited you are to only being able to use the individual UI you learned on.
    10. Re:don't hate me by filesiteguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the true goal of a computer program for a school is to ready its students for the workplace, then is linux really the best method of doing so? Isn't the school in some way doing its students a dis-service my training them on a computing method that they will very likely never use again? As much as i DESPISE some of microsoft's products (i admin a damn win2k3 server...do i really need to explain WHY i hate microsoft?) i understand that in order to function in a modern workplace, the ability to navigate microsoft windows is almost as essential as any other office skill

      Actually this is a fallacious argument.

      I just pointed out yesterday that kids can learn any OS. Keep in mind that I (along with all my peers) grew up in a world without windows and yet still managed to learn. In fact, I didn't even see windows until I was 19 and in college. That's when Win 2.0 came out and I thought it was - erm - mostly harmless.

      My seven-year-old and five-year-old sons have no issues moving from my Vista laptop to my wife's Win2K desktop to my openSUSE laptop and desktop and to my mom's openSUSE desktop or to my father-in-law's Macintosh. Unless you're gonna teach kids how to administer Win2K3 workstations, then there's no issue.

    11. Re:don't hate me by schon · · Score: 2, Funny

      all that time spent on an Apple II was really a waste. I don't know a thing about Mac anymore Uhh - if you learned computing on an Apple II, and you're wondering why that didn't translate to knowledge of the Mac, you have bigger problems than just wasting time.
    12. Re:don't hate me by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just don't look up anything in a reference book in front of your patients (or in the case of a vet, the owner of your patients). My boss is a pilot, and he told me a story about how he took up a friend for a flight once, and when coming in for the landing, he got out his checklist to go through the proper landing procedures. The guy got all freaked out because he thought that he was looking in a manual, and didn't know what he was doing. I'm a software developer, and I spend a lot of my time looking up the right answer in various places, rather than trying to come up with it on my own. It's often faster, easier, and more reliable to look up the answer somewhere else, rather then try to solve a problem yourself.

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    13. Re:don't hate me by corsec67 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hah, put "Landing for Dummies" on the cover of the landing checklist.....

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    14. Re:don't hate me by webmaster404 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, think about the pricing, you could get an expensive (yet easy-to-use) Mac or you could get a cheap PC with DOS that no one really liked but it was there OS. Most businesses and people chose the cheaper route and got a PC, today we have the opposite, with Linux being cheaper yet not as (seemingly) easy to use as the Windows and Mac computers. I expect that because of the price point alone (and easier to use distros, Vista becoming ME II and OS X being popular) Unix/Linux will become the most used platform.

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    15. Re:don't hate me by webmaster404 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly, and why does everyone think that it has to be MS to create those concepts? I bet that if you go to a school today most people wouldn't know how applications are launched, or even how simple parts of the computer's OS works, and probably 98% think that the GUI==the OS. Most kids know how a program works by launching it from Start-->All Programs--->Games--->Minesweeper and not how the OS really works. MS always ends up creating new "buzzwords" to make their OS/Program seem new just think of the "ribbon" on Office 2007 (if you are unlucky enough to have used it) or "Shortcuts" rather then links, MS has a way of making anything that seems like a computer concept be totally linked to Windows and totally foreign to Mac or Linux, that's how I am sure they manage to keep market share from people looking at Mac/Linux who panic when they can't see a C drive.

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    16. Re:don't hate me by webmaster404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But the hardware is tied to the OS. If you were to get Vista you would probably pick out a new computer with a dual or quad-core processor with 2-3 Gigs of RAM, a nice DRM-compliant video-card for Aero, then of course the average person needs to spend about $300 on anti-virus/spyware, MS office, new versions for programs that MS broke backwards compatibility with, ETC. For a school they can probably get licenses very cheap, however when the student ends up going to college, they can either pay the $1000 setup with Vista, over-the-top hardware, and all the proprietary software Windows needs to patch its flaws or the kid can buy a decent $300 computer with Linux installed because they learned about Linux and all the software is just a click or apt-get away. MS teaches kids to be dependent on one provider (MS) for their software therefore paying excess to third parties for hardware to just run the OS, also because the kid hasn't learned really how a computer works, any chance of a sysadmin job or other high-tech job disappears unless the kid learns a whole lot in college (or there is a giant breakthrough in software) and ends up being dependent. The kid who learns Linux and how the computer actually works can buy cheaper hardware, and can easily become a sysadmin or other high-paying tech job and nearly all software will be free. Now, even with cost not the option, does the school want to teach their students to be dependent or independent?

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    17. Re:don't hate me by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are some majors where rote memorization is good. When you're in the ER and you just reacted to some drug and you're going into cardiac arrest do you want the doctor to go "Hold on a second let me let me look this up."

      I'm an engineer and my sister is a pharmacist. I don't interact with people and nothing needs to be known NOW. Heck I sat in a meeting where we had 5 engineers around the room and I was the youngest and we all broke out our Fluids books to figure out some mass transfer through a pipe.

      On the other hand I just got out of ACL surgery. I wasn't feeling any effect from the Oxycotin (naturally high tolerance to all drugs) so I called my sister. She knew off the top of her head what would react with it and how much more I could take. Granted she also knows where to find the stuff if she doesn't know.

      As I see it:
      Engineer: Where to find it>What it is
      Doctor: What it is>=Where to find it

    18. Re:don't hate me by syousef · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just don't look up anything in a reference book in front of your patients (or in the case of a vet, the owner of your patients).

      I'm actually encouraged when a doctor looks something up. It means they're not just guessing or relying on memory of a similar case they came across a long time ago. The only GP I currently trust proverbially as far as I can throw is one who when I presented a medical problem offered to do some research and ring me the following night from home.

      My boss is a pilot, and he told me a story about how he took up a friend for a flight once, and when coming in for the landing, he got out his checklist to go through the proper landing procedures. The guy got all freaked out because he thought that he was looking in a manual, and didn't know what he was doing.

      Your boss' friend is an ignorant idiot. Not only does this friend not know that checklists are common in aviation, but he decides to freak out when the pilot's workload is highest. My response in your boss' shoes would be to politely explain how it works, then lose the friend (certainly never take that friend flying again).

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    19. Re:don't hate me by merc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If the true goal of a computer program for a school is to ready its students for the workplace, then is linux really the best method of doing so? Isn't the school in some way doing its students a dis-service my training them on a computing method that they will very likely never use again?

      Your question is quite valid, and worth consideration. However, the inverse could also possibly be true, and one of the core disputes I have with community colleges and many high schools of today, that being:

      How much are we teaching the IT leaders of tomorrow about computer science and technology by making them Windows centric end-users? I fear sometimes that all of the Visual Basic and Java is going to create a layer of abstraction over basic computer science comprehension (this has, of course also been discussed on slashdot).

      I think the answer is simple -- don't teach platform specific technology, or cover a few of them.
      Give a well rounded education but most importantly cover the computer science concepts.

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    20. Re:don't hate me by chuckymonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Therein lies the key. You leared how to use an OS and computer, most people learn "if you click this that will happen" and cannot handle having things happen outside their little bubble of knowledge. I personally think that every school should have a decent mix of different types of computers, that way kids will learn the actual core skills to use a computer and not the other way. I'm teaching my two year old right now how to use windows and linux, soon Mac when I get the iMac for my wife. I want her to have a base knowledge about these things.

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    21. Re:don't hate me by wwwillem · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No I don't hate you. :) And I think you deserve at least the +3, but not moderated as "Funny", because the issue you raise is serious enough.

      Eight years ago, I was planning for my wife (a health care professional) her first PC, and I thought that the purchase of an iMac would be the most user friendly and logical choice. But her criticism on that plan was (along the lines of your story) that at work she would need to use a Windows PC, and then with a Mac at home she would only get confused. So, I got her a Windows 98 desktop and with only using Outlook Express and Internet Explorer, she lived "happily ever after" for the next 8 years.

      But last Xmas holidays that setup really became outdated and needed a refresh. So I installed a RedHat based system and converted her IE and OE to FireFox and Thunderbird. And I simply told her, if you still like it a week from now I will put it on your desk (instead of the old box) otherwise we'll go to the store and go buy some new Windows PC.

      Let me tell you, I wasn't pushing, and she wasn't biased !! I got a few questions during the first 3 hours and then it was "business as usual". Today's desktop GUIs have become so similar that for the casual user it doesn't matter anymore if the underlying technology is Windows, Linux or Mac. It's all the same.

      So, making school-kids ready for their Windows dominated future workplaces, can pretty well happen by letting them use Linux while in school. For them the difference will be as big as switching from a Nokia to a Motorola phone. Or from MySpace to FaceBook.

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    22. Re:don't hate me by cheater512 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."

      The little guys count more than you imagine.
      If every insignificant country switched to Linux overnight, Microsoft would be screwed within months.

    23. Re:don't hate me by rohan972 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Can you think of anything in Windows that couldn't be figured out by someone who has been trained on Linux?

      Why do people use this? :)

    24. Re:don't hate me by rts008 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Granted she also knows where to find the stuff if she doesn't know."
      This was my major point. There is WAY too much to know and remember...ask your sister.

      Education and experience will let you know what to remember and what to look up, but in your reply you raised valid points:"There are some majors where rote memorization is good. When you're in the ER and you just reacted to some drug and you're going into cardiac arrest do you want the doctor to go "Hold on a second let me let me look this up." Absolutely!! The point I failed to elaborate on. To know the difference between memorizing 'this' and 'that', compared to the ability to look 'it' up was my point. I apparently failed to adequately express my point of view here. (no sarcasm...I'm serious here).

      Some info needs to be almost 'hard-wired' for instant recall, but some info just needs to be ' a reference away' for most situations. (for example: as a Vet Tech in Oklahoma, do I REALLY need to remember the scientific name of an internal parasite (worm) in the Ethiopian River Rat that is not a medical problem in the USA?- but I can tell you for certainty that if your 'sight hound' [greyhound, afghan hound, borsai, etc] have had aspirin recently...LET YOUR VETERINARIAN KNOW before there is any general anesthesia involved. Aspirin is a protein-binder that will cause an anesthetic overdose in 'sighthounds' if not accounted for, and the tolerance for lidocaine for local anesthesia in llamas is 2.5 mg/kg- if this is exceeded, the said llama will go into some spectacular seizures!)

      As an engineer, you should maybe look at this method. (not trying to be an asshat here) Do you memorize every engineering table you are exposed to, or do you only memorize the relevant ones to your work?...and have a clue as to where other relevant tables could be found?

      YMMV, Proceed with caution, and the best of luck to you. :)

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  2. About fucking time! by sgtron · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Philippines is such a poor country, it's about damn time they wised up and chose the free option. Although, I can't help to think that with so much corruption in every aspect of the government and business over there. I'll be surprised if this pans out in the end.

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    1. Re:About fucking time! by kramulous · · Score: 2, Informative
      FTFA

      ... so after a successful deployment of 13,000 Fedora Linux systems from a government grant, plans are underway to roll out another 10,000 based on Ubuntu.
      13000 already done. Time to be surprised.
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  3. at least, this is a step in the right direction by RuBLed · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I RTFA because I live in the Philippines and I could agree with the last paragraph..

    "If Linux and open source wants to take hold in the education market it must deliver course material for high schools and elementary schools."

    Most of the public and private schools here only computer textbooks that is only related to MS products. What I find funny is that, they can't afford to buy those Office suites and operating systems in the first place, yet they are teaching them. There is nothing wrong with teaching it but then again it boils down to the fact that they had to pirate these software just to be able to practice what they teach \ learn.

    Recently, BSA had been hot on companies and large educational institutions here, I have seen some smaller educational institutions switch most of their OS to Fedora since they could only afford to show a number of licenses. There are also raids conducted on local internet cafes but the rumor is that, they are not BSA but the local NBI units trying to make some money. Because of these factors, most cafes that only offer printing and internet surfing switched to Linux also. The only cafes I know in our area that run windows are those gaming cafes and those located at known malls.

    Yes, we had been pretty much dependent on MS as a nation. At least this is a good step in the right direction. Even though DSL is pretty much affordable by middle classes here, the combination of OS and Office seems to be much, many just pirate them leading to numerous unpatched systems that are always online, coupled with users who only know the basics.

    On second thought, we should really do something about the whole educational mess we are right now. Not just regarding computers / technology.

    Or is resistance futile?
  4. Good move by jantoxicated · · Score: 5, Informative

    As a Filipino - and by the way, the comments here are very very disturbing - I am happy this is pushing through. If you are living here, Microsoft Windows IS the most dominant OS around here, with a few exceptions of other who used Macs. The only Linux users I knew are those that belong to my local Linux user group and programmers like me. But ever since the crackdown of BSA on schools regarding pirated copies of Windows and others, schools here (or at least in my city) reacted by moving some of their machines to Linux, using OpenOffice.org and using Firefox. Of course Windows machine didn't evaporated overnight but at least we are on the right track.

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  5. A solution that they own. by DrYak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In addition to that, it might be more rewarding in the long term to tech the student solution that they can own themselves.

    Teaching Microsoft in 3rd world countries, mean creating a new generation of users that will completely dependant on an foreign solution, and that one day, the workforce of the country will spend significant amount of money which will be spent overboard and will go to the pocket of a foreign company.
    This guarantee future bleeding of money : you have a nice new emerging IT environment that strives to develop, and most of the earned money will exit the country in term of license.

    On the other hand, teaching open source software will help the new generation realise that these solution exist, and that they can take them as their own. Instead of having a Microsoft unleashing BSA-like dogs to crackdown on unlicensed copies, they have access to FSF software whose philosophy is "do whatever pleases you with it *AS LONG AS* you keep guaranteeing the same freedom when you passes it around".
    Once this generation grows and enter into the workforce, a lot of busyness opportunities may appear that don't depend on foreign companies. Thanks to OSS, local solution my be developed, with new emerging companies basing their solution on infrastructure they can own themselves. The earnings from such companies will stay inside the country and help stir up the economy.

    Free software empowers emerging countries, whereas proprietary software represents one additional way to lock them into a permanent dependence on foreign companies that will bleed out of the country the earning of emerging IT busyness.

    That doesn't matter much for rich countries. But learning that you don't necessarily need to depend on some US company is very important in emerging markets.

    Also, as you said, given the difference between Office 2007 and, let's say, Office 97, and given that these children will also be at least 10 years away from entering the workforce (and much more for those few who'll manage to go to universities) learning a specific interface implementation is completely pointless. What they need is to learn some basic concept in computing (what is word processing vs. which button should be clicked). And Linux is just as good as anything else for that.

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    1. Re:A solution that they own. by rtb61 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Let's not pick on or exclude first or second world users. For open source software there is nor first, second or third world. Your contributions are purely valued on their own merits.

      Of course open solutions created or contributed in the third world not only means they will be save money but they will also be able to achieve a more competitive status, in first and second world technology.

      The important part of open source is to create an effective ecosystem for it, with it being taught in primary and secondary schools, being researched and contributed to in universities and the being applied and extended in business and government. This effort is then expanded beyond a countries borders and shared as a global effort, with benefits accruing to all computer users, regardless of race, colour, creed, age or especially wealth.

      Closed source proprietary software, creates, and enforces the digital divide, leaving peoples as well as countries at a permanent disadvantage with what is becoming an integral part of any countries infrastructure and economy.

      At the end of the day the current monopoly in operating systems and office suites, only suits once city, in one state, in one country, for every other person, in every other city, in every other state, in every other country it is a wasteful, pointless, dead end.

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  6. Supporting a local distro? by earthforce_1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is good news, yet I wonder why they went with Fedora instead of a localized distro?
    ( http://bayanihan.gov.ph/ )

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  7. The Philippines can only afford Linux by nicodoggie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Philippines is pretty low on budget. Not because we lack certain industries or we have a crappy economy, but because those dumb-ass politicians we have keep most of our tax money in their pockets. Mostly, they don't start projects they wouldn't profit from. When a certain amount of money is alloted to a certain project, they find ways to cheapen the price and keep the change for themselves. They see Linux as their cash-cow. They get praise for computerizing the public school system (which gets them votes) and they keep the remaining amount of money they save from not purchasing licenses from Microsoft.

    Anyway, in the Philippines, Computer Gaming/Internet shops are quite ubiquitous. These shops are often jam-packed with students of all ages from different walks of life who play MMOGs for 20 pesos an hour (about 50 cents). And the kids with computers have cheap 100 peso (a little over $2) pirated copies of Windows in their systems. This already provides them with enough Windows know-how.

    Linux is really a lot better anyway, and the kids here today have to learn to realize that.

  8. Who knows what students will use in the future? by slocan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the true goal of a computer program for a school is to ready its students for the workplace, then is linux really the best method of doing so? [...]

    Well, Linux in such a context ("to ready students") isn't a method. It can be a tool (and so can Windows) of a given method. And the method can be adequate or inadequate.

    As to the method, who knows what students will use in the future? At work or at home?

    Schools (if they are not to be short-sighted) should enable students with skills that will allow them to use any tool, existing ones and specially future ones, unknown ones. Training to use one program instead of another based on current market shares is short-sighted.

    I read a circa 1969 book by Lauro de Oliveira Lima commenting on a 1960 text by Marshall McLuhan. Both wrote how education would (or should) be in the future (and wrote about the future itself). Lauro de Oliveira Lima made quite a compelling argument about how education is about the future and the unknown. For the students are supposedly being prepared for a future life, work and a society that is unknown and unpredictable.

    My point is, training someone to use Windows or Office is short-sighted education (and possibly inadequate education, if the student doesn't develop skills to learn to use any tool he may encounter. And he may encounter Windows, Linux, Solaris etc).

    But the point of using gnu/linux or any other free or open source software in an education context is goes beyond the possibility of using certain tools. It's about the possibilty of understanding those tools, modifying those tools and creating new tools. It's about empowerment. And even if it remains as an unfulfilled possibility it remains as a door that can still be opened.

    From such a point of view the use of linux, inkscape etc in an education context could be part of an open-ended education effort which aims at the future. And then comes to mind a Robert Heinlein quote:

    A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

    Education should not be about Windows or Linux, but about being able to use any one of them, understand the differences, be prepared to choose and to deal with whatever the future brings.

    Cheers,

    P.S.: I use Ubuntu at home since 2004. And before that Gentoo and Debian.

  9. Beautifull Quote: by AndGodSed · · Score: 2

    'Ministers in the Filipino government now understand Linux can do so much for so little outlay.'

    There. That just about sums it up.

  10. You hear that Mr. Ballmer? by turing_m · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "We wanted to use Fedora 5 and it went all the way to office of [the Filipino] President and they kept passing it around saying 'why would they offer something for free, and how would they support and teach it'," Gonzalez said. "The project dragged on for four to five months to a point where Microsoft matched the price by offering Windows XP for $US20 a copy and throwing in Office for $US30, but we still came out cheaper. Microsoft was also providing free training to high school teachers."

    That is the sound of inevitability.

    --
    If I have seen further it is by stealing the Intellectual Property of giants.
    1. Re:You hear that Mr. Ballmer? by owlman17 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      $20+$30 is still expensive. That's about 1/4th the monthly salary of the average worker here. The OEM version of XP is roughly $100 when converted. Basic Office (no Powerpoint) costs around $200-300. Don't even get me started on Vista Ultimate (and the hardware upgrade that comes with it). If people in the US think its robbery, its practically a small fortune over here. OTOH, Linux would run on machines we already own.

  11. Won't make any difference by kurokaze · · Score: 2, Informative

    Having been born in the Philippines and still have most of my family there (last time I was there was 2006), I can tell you that it's not going to make any difference.

    Every business is still tied to windows, and every kid's PC at home is still windows (God forbid you give them a PC that can't play Ragnarok!)

    Trying to find a computer reseller that will sells pre-loaded boxes with linux is needle in a haystack work.

    If you want to really effect change, then you need to change the thinking of the chinese filipinos, they are really the ones running the country (seriously!), not the locals.