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Microsoft Bids $44.6 Billion For Yahoo

The news is everywhere this morning about Microsoft's $44.6B offer to buy Yahoo. The offer represents $31 a share, a 62% premium over Thursday's closing price; and Yahoo's stock price has been rising in after-hours trading. Microsoft has been making overtures to Yahoo since 2006, according to the CNet article, including a buyout offer last February that was rebuffed. Mediapost.com has some perspective on the deal from the point of view of ads and eyeballs. Such an acquisition, which would be Microsoft's largest by far — it bought Aquantive last year for $6 billion — would need approval by US and EU authorities. A European Commission spokesman declined to comment.

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  1. Very odd by l-ascorbic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seems so unlikely to ever be allowed by the regulators, yet they're willing to throw billions at it anyway. They must feel confident for some reason.

    1. Re:Very odd by crispi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well if you can't build a good search engine of your own, just buy one.

      In fact just like about everything MS has ever done (eg SQL, IE, PowerPoint ...)

    2. Re:Very odd by jeroenb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Considering that internet search and online advertising are exactly the places they don't dominate, I don't see why regulators would object.

    3. Re:Very odd by l-ascorbic · · Score: 3, Informative

      This isn't like the previous anti-trust stuff either - either the US or EU can just block the deal outright. No piddling fines for them to ignore or stuff like that. A massive gamble, implying they really want this deal.

    4. Re:Very odd by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seems so unlikely to ever be allowed by the regulators, yet they're willing to throw billions at it anyway. They must feel confident for some reason.

      If they allowed Google and Doubleclick, they'll probably allow this too. This doesn't give anyone a monopoly or anything close to it, since Google's still #1 in search.

      The question is, how long until MS feels compelled to screw up Yahoo like Hotmail?

    5. Re:Very odd by coolmoose25 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, I don't think regulators would have a huge problem with this... Clearly the big guy on the block is Google at this point... Microsoft and Yahoo joining forces makes sense from a competitive point of view... Let's face it, MSN sucks, it has always sucked, and so it is a good merger from a business perspective too. The only thing I worry about here is if Yahoo just sort of "melts" under Microsoft's ownership, the same way Excite did when it got bought.

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    6. Re:Very odd by Bert64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And most of those products went down hill in various ways after being bought...

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    7. Re:Very odd by Bert64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well Yahoo, like hotmail, run all their stuff on FreeBSD...
      You can bet yahoo would go the same way, migrating to windows, spending a ridiculous amount on new hardware and suffering significant problems in the process.

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    8. Re:Very odd by Red+Flayer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The only thing I worry about here is if Yahoo just sort of "melts" under Microsoft's ownership, the same way Excite did when it got bought.
      "melts"... or "is extinguished"?

      Maybe I'm stuck in the past, but I can't shake the feeling that MS is more interested in narrowing the competitive field than in acquiring Yahoo properties -- though search is something they could use Yahoo's help with.
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    9. Re:Very odd by Ilgaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well if you can't build a good search engine of your own, just buy one.

      In fact just like about everything MS has ever done (eg SQL, IE, PowerPoint ...) Yahoo's power and success comes from multi platform awareness, using right tools for job without caring about what OS it runs (mostly FreeBSD), giving the same service to everyone with a recent browser regardless of OS, being open to all developers even including competitors...

      I checked Live.com the day it was announced. When it bitched about not using IE (when I tried to login my passport account) , I never visited it back. That is what makes every MS attempt unsuccessful. They can't live with the fact that there is a thing called HTML standard, TCPIP standard and Internet is platform neutral from beginning. They use every opportunity to alienate other OS/Browser users.

      I could never see Yahoo as a great search engine although it seems spammers/blackhats/SEO junk targets them less. For the record, Google has always been a spammer heaven for me too.
    10. Re:Very odd by dintech · · Score: 5, Funny

      Google has always been a spammer heaven for me too
      Everyone knows spammers don't go to heaven.
    11. Re:Very odd by yog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So what's your point? Most companies start by buying some existing work; very few invent something completely new. Dell didn't invent the PC, nor did Compaq, nor did HP. Apple didn't invent the windowing GUI.

      Microsoft is smart. They did not get where they are by being idiots. If they think Yahoo is worth $46B to them, I'm inclined to believe it. On the other hand, it might be that Google has been mulling an investment in Yahoo and Mr Softy just wanted to prevent that scary thing from happening.

      It makes me sad that YHOO might cease to exist. To me, Yahoo represents the internet revolution. For ten years I have been using Yahoo's email, stock quotes, news, weather, sports, shopping, maps, and directories on a daily basis. I have bought and sold Yahoo stock when it was in the $300's and more recently when it was in the teens. I used to post on Yahoo's news comment boards before they shut them down, mainly to counter the many idiots I saw there. To me, Yahoo has always been a safe port in a storm.

      When Microsoft takes over Yahoo, assuming the antitrust authorities let this happen (doubtful, actually), it will be a sad day for the internet. The old guard will have won out over the pure internet players. It will be Google against MS at that point. I guess I'll just spend even more time on Google from then on.

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    12. Re:Very odd by somersault · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of cros they do! Evey night heavn with the ladeis you can have too if you purchaise soft Cililiaolois!!! Only 49c a pill!

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    13. Re:Very odd by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Does M$ really want this deal, or is it simply a last ditch attempt by Ballmer to survive. Ballmer has staked his continued existence as the CEO of M$ on his own myopic focus on google. Not only does M$ have to bear the cost of buying Yahoo but also the cost of virtually writing off MSN.

      M$ fails in the add market because they have single mindedly created a reputation of untrustworthiness. M$ is the last company you would want give information about future marketing campaigns, if they suddenly decide that you are a competitor they will use that information to their advantage. Reminds me of the Sony root kit debacle, the blogger who released the information about the root kit, his association with M$ and that M$ was fully aware of the root kit well before it's release and for some odd reason the release of the information about the root kit coincided with the launch of the PS3.

      Dang it would suck to be a Yahoo or an MSN employee, if the buyout goes through, waiting for the axe to fall, as M$ works to reduced running costs and improve profit margins, especially as the yahoo owners would be crazy to take M$ stock rather than cash.

      Of course the US Administration wont bat an eyelid they love monoplies (at least loyal ones) but the EU will most likely baulk at the idea.

      The whole idea is crazy, M$ couldn't run MSN properly, so why would the same management team do any better with Yahoo, well at least the ex-Yahoo investors could always buy it back at a 75% discount in about 5 years.

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    14. Re:Very odd by MECC · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yahoo's power and success comes from multi platform awareness,

      For the most part, yes, but the yahoo IM client differs significantly in capability and support from platform to platform.

      I checked Live.com the day it was announced. When it bitched about not using IE (when I tried to login my passport account) , I never visited it back. That is what makes every MS attempt unsuccessful. They can't live with the fact that there is a thing called HTML standard, TCPIP standard and Internet is platform neutral from beginning. They use every opportunity to alienate other OS/Browser users.

      If ms does get yahoo, they may find that their desktop monopoly won't help them leverage crap as it has for all the other products they've bought and downgraded. The Internet is turf foreign to their business model and corporate mindset, and buying yahoo won't change that. As if anything could. If this deal goes through, yahoo goes down.

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    15. Re:Very odd by drachenstern · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seeing as how AT&T and Yahoo! are so in bed together already, is this a way for Microsoft to get into the Telco/Wireless market? Ballmer may be looking to use the Yahoo! brand name to sell the MSN product, but not scrap MSN in the least.

      Now that GoogleOS for phones is out, and Google is looking toward WiMax apparently, why would it be impossible for MS to want to get into the DSL business since it's already had Windows Mobile on the market for years now. I realize the discussion about the 700MHz auction looks like Google doesn't actually want to offer WiMax on 700MHz, but rather to reap the benefits of an open network. My point is they are doing a dance where each copies the other shortly after the first does something. (or sometimes not so shortly, but follows suit).

      It looks to me like two big superpowers doing what it takes for each to get into the others market.

      And now for a way to get modded troll, or whatever: My prediction is that Google purchases AskJeeves! next... [ha!]

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    16. Re:Very odd by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because they *do* dominate the desktop, the place from which internet search and online advertising is done from. And they have a legal history of abusing that monopoly to try to gain market advantage in other areas. "Google? You don't want that. Redirecting page request to www.yahoo.com."

    17. Re:Very odd by Khuffie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Either call it MS, or take your childish-ness to the next level and call it M$N. Seriously, you sound like a bitter kid living in his mom's basement when you continuously use M$. Give it up, it does nothing for you but lose whatever point you were trying to make in the first place.

    18. Re:Very odd by rbanffy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sorry to burst your bubble, but:

      - Dell pretty much invented the large-scale direct sales built-to-order PC business.
      - Compaq did invent the PC-compatible - different enough not to get sued out of existence, similar enough it runs the same software
      - HP did invent a lot of stuff in the personal computer arena
      - Apple did invent lots of stuff in the GUI arena. Have you seen Smalltalk 80 and how Lisa is different from that?

      Microsoft did invent a lot too. It's unfair to judge the value of all company's contributions by its current delinquent behaviour (the one you call "smart").

    19. Re:Very odd by MrNemesis · · Score: 5, Funny

      M$ fails in the add market

      You've used Excel too?

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    20. Re:Very odd by MrNemesis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I hate getting dangerously close to two Godwin's in a week, but the whole MS/Ballmer/Google thing is increasingly making me think of a certain German's obsession with a Soviet city on the Volga (but that's what you get from erading too many history books). With $45bn being almost all of MS's cash reserve, it stinks of a desperate and obsessive tactical error for the sole purpose of buying mindshare*.

      The fact of the matter is, Google started out with the cards stacked against them - miniscule funding, hard drive arrays built from lego, the inability to modify their own consumer operating system monopoly to point their bundled internet browser at their own search engines/portals - and yet within a few short years google was a household name, and is now the de facto synonym for "looking something up on the internet". It's the kind of success that Ballmer can only dream of - a vastly better product than anything else that was out at the time (fast and lean, IIRC an alien concept in search engines at the time), in the right place at the right moment to catch the new "internet boom" that MS had famously underestimated. If I was the CEO of (supposedly) the worlds' leading technology firm, such upstart behaviour would piss me off too.

      As it is, I suspect the deal will be approved (the shareholders will love it and I can't see the ineffectual monpoly police battin gan eyelid over this "because MS isn't a monopoly on the internet") but I don't think it's going to do MS much good in the long run. Yet another brand run into the ground.

      * Yes, I'm aware that the Y! purchase would net many other gains (such as the oft-mentioned decrease in FOSS contributions from Y!), but mindshare and search hits seem to be the biggest factor here.

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    21. Re:Very odd by meadowsoft · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Microsoft buys Yahoo. Microsoft gets share of AT&T. Microsoft controls only (legal) data network for iPhone. Microsoft controls iPhone?

      And this will certainly pass regulation, since even "do no evil" megacorporations like Google need competition from "do most evil" megacorporations like Microsoft.

    22. Re:Very odd by paving-slab · · Score: 3, Funny

      Face it, 'M$' is immature and puerile and frankly, stupid.
      I agree, they are.
  2. Implications for open source by 1sockchuck · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A consolidation of the Microsoft and Yahoo networks could shift a massive amount of infrastructure from open source technologies to Microsoft platforms.Microsoft said that "eliminating redundant infrastructure and duplicative operating costs will improve the financial performance of the combined entity." Yahoo has been a major player in several open soruce projects. Most of Yahoo's infrastructure runs on FreeBSD, and the lead developer of PHP, Rasmus Lerdorf, works as an engineer at Yahoo. Yahoo has also been a major contributor to Hadoop, an open source technology for distributed computing. Data Center Knowledge has more on the infrastructure implications.

    1. Re:Implications for open source by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 5, Informative

      Don't forget they also own Zimbra, an OSS Outlook/Exchange competitor

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    2. Re:Implications for open source by dotancohen · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually, I'd bet that the only reason that MS is buying Yahoo is to finally get Rasmus Lerdorf working for them. You know, since they can't exactly get Linus or RMS very easily.

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    3. Re:Implications for open source by afidel · · Score: 3, Informative

      According to Alexa Yahoo runs the #1 and #17 websites, MS runs the #4, #5, and #18. I would say they both have plenty of experience running large data centers.

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    4. Re:Implications for open source by BVis · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or, they're looking to tie him down and make him stop working on PHP... since as we all know ASP.NET is a far far superior technology... and a LOT of Yahoo! code is PHP.

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    5. Re:Implications for open source by Ilgaz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Fair enough - but my understanding, based on what I've heard from people who work for MSN, is that MS is not particularly good at running large data centers. It's not one of their strengths. And I'm speculating that Yahoo may be better at it because data center ops are more central to their business. MS can't dare to say "FreeBSD looks like the right choice for this job" and use FreeBSD. They have also got locked to Windows in a different way.

      They removed a perfectly running FreeBSD from Hotmail and installed (first fake than real) Windows instead. You have seen the results.
    6. Re:Implications for open source by dotancohen · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A few years ago Yahoo accidentally posted their phpinfo() code for a few minutes. I've still got the page saved, but I'm certain that most of it is outdated by now.

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    7. Re:Implications for open source by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 5, Informative

      Don't forget they also own Zimbra, an OSS Outlook/Exchange competitor
      Zimbra was never really an open source player to begin with. They have an open source crippleware version, partially for street cred and partially so they could help themselves to the postfix/mysql/cyrus underpinnings upon which they built their product.

      Anyone who has deployed Zimbra knows that if you want the product to actually be useful you have to buy the closed-source "Network Edition." This is precisely what Microsoft would shut down. Microsoft is eager to kill Exchange competitors. They've done it before -- look at how they immediately shut down the now-defunct Hula project once they began pulling the strings at Novell.

      If you want open source email and groupware, you should deploy open source email and groupware. The prime contender in this space right now is Citadel, which is 100 percent GPL. End to end. No exceptions, no tiers, no strings, no gimmicks. Similar in spirit to the Ubuntu Linux distribution, the project's very best work is made available to everyone on the same terms.
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  3. Microsoft is "innovating" again... by rinkjustice · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yahoo confirmed that it has received an unsolicited offer and said that its board would evaluate the proposal, "carefully and promptly in the context of Yahoo's strategic plans and pursue the best course of action to maximize long-term value for shareholders."

    Judging by this blurb, I think the answer is going to be a big, fat yes.

  4. Pirate Bay by rdradar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now MS should bid for Pirate Bay aswell!

  5. Letter from Ballmer to Yahoo! Board by C0deJunkie · · Score: 5, Informative

    With an astonishing 62% premium price of its current stock price, Microsoft sent this proposal to the Yahoo! Board of Directors. Here's the . Actually, part of the premium price is explainable by the recent sunk of Yahoo! stock.

    January 31, 2008

    Board of Directors
    Yahoo! Inc.
    701 First Avenue
    Sunnyvale, CA 94089
    Attention: Roy Bostock, Chairman
    Attention: Jerry Yang, Chief Executive Officer

    Dear Members of the Board:

    I am writing on behalf of the Board of Directors of Microsoft to make a proposal for a business combination of Microsoft and Yahoo!. Under our proposal, Microsoft would acquire all of the outstanding shares of Yahoo! common stock for per share consideration of $31 based on Microsoft's closing share price on January 31, 2008, payable in the form of $31 in cash or 0.9509 of a share of Microsoft common stock. Microsoft would provide each Yahoo! shareholder with the ability to choose whether to receive the consideration in cash or Microsoft common stock, subject to pro-ration so that in the aggregate one-half of the Yahoo! common shares will be exchanged for shares of Microsoft common stock and one-half of the Yahoo! common shares will be converted into the right to receive cash. Our proposal is not subject to any financing condition.

    Our proposal represents a 62% premium above the closing price of Yahoo! common stock of $19.18 on January 31, 2008. The implied premium for the operating assets of the company clearly is considerably greater when adjusted for the minority, non-controlled assets and cash. By whatever financial measure you use - EBITDA, free cash flow, operating cash flow, net income, or analyst target prices - this proposal represents a compelling value realization event for your shareholders.

    We believe that Microsoft common stock represents a very attractive investment opportunity for Yahoo!'s shareholders. Microsoft has generated revenue growth of 15%, earnings growth of 26%, and a return on equity of 35% on average for the last three years. Microsoft's share price has generated shareholder returns of 8% during the last one year period and 28% during the last three year period, significantly outperforming the S&P 500. It is our view that Microsoft has significant potential upside given the continued solid growth in our core businesses, the recent launch of Windows Vista, and other strategic initiatives.

    Microsoft's consistent belief has been that the combination of Microsoft and Yahoo! clearly represents the best way to deliver maximum value to our respective shareholders, as well as create a more efficient and competitive company that would provide greater value and service to our customers. In late 2006 and early 2007, we jointly explored a broad range of ways in which our two companies might work together. These discussions were based on a vision that the online businesses of Microsoft and Yahoo! should be aligned in some way to create a more effective competitor in the online marketplace. We discussed a number of alternatives ranging from commercial partnerships to a merger proposal, which you rejected. While a commercial partnership may have made sense at one time, Microsoft believes that the only alternative now is the combination of Microsoft and Yahoo! that we are proposing.

    In February 2007, I received a letter from your Chairman indicating the view of the Yahoo! Board that "now is not the right time from the perspective of our shareholders to enter into discus

    1. Re:Letter from Ballmer to Yahoo! Board by DaveM753 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey, Ballmer: I can help with your goal of making "a more efficient" company. Instead of using buzzwords like "this proposal represents a compelling value realization event for your shareholders", you could say something like "this is a good deal for your shareholders."

      Eliminating unnecessary, extraneous keystrokes on a corporate scale represents a compelling efficiency realization event for your shareholders.

      So there. :P

    2. Re:Letter from Ballmer to Yahoo! Board by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Brief analysis of some key points:

      1) Microsoft is indicating that they are challenging Google "Today, the market is increasingly dominated by one player who is consolidating its dominance through acquisition. ". However, This statement should apply to Microsoft. Microsoft is the 800lb gorilla yet they are making it sound like they are a bit player and Google is the gorilla - more management doublespeak.

      2) Microsoft is indicating they would replace all non-Microsoft at Yahoo with Microsoft technology with phrases like "combination enables synergies related to scale economics". This is great market speak for lay off all that oppose the Microsoft initiatives and move to a common, Microsoft-centric platform.

      3) Microsoft wants their search as, I guess, MSN has not been effective: "single search index".

      4) Phrases like "eliminating redundant infrastructure and duplicative operating costs" are management speak for layoffs, firing middle management at Yahoo, moving to Microsoft's management and benefit structure, and similar. In my experience through many corporate buyouts, all are very negative to the employees at the company being purchases - Yahoo. However, Microsoft attempts to temper this with "offer significant retention packages to your engineers, key leaders and employees", which is more corporate double-speak.

      5) The "exceptional display and search advertising capabilities" sounds like a tighter integration with Microsoft's technology, i.e., Windows and MSIE. Maybe they want to have tighter integration between Vista and their ad revenue stream. Could "new advertising platform capabilities" indicate ad-supported Vista (get a free ad when you log in, when you fire up Office, etc.)?

      Overall, it sounds like Microsoft is saying that Yahoo should sell to them because Yahoo didn't meet their goals, the combined company can better challenge Google, and Yahoo has tech that Microsoft needs.

    3. Re:Letter from Ballmer to Yahoo! Board by RevWaldo · · Score: 3, Funny

      You left out the post-it note on the letter - "Jeffry, Roy - We can do this the easy way or the hard way. Remember - I know where you all live."

  6. So This Means... by flyneye · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So this means people will begin avoiding Yahoo with the same impunity they avoid MSN?
    Theoretically Microsoft could buy up anything good about the internet so we can all shut our computers down and settle in w/a trip to the library and a good book.

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    1. Re:So This Means... by Ilgaz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So this means people will begin avoiding Yahoo with the same impunity they avoid MSN?
      Theoretically Microsoft could buy up anything good about the internet so we can all shut our computers down and settle in w/a trip to the library and a good book. I am sure Yahoo already lost a lot of users just because of the rumor/bid. I actually checked if closing/purging Yahoo account is still easy and my account exists there since 1998. Guess why that account was opened first time? Hotmail got acquired by MS and I was one of first to ask if there is a way to close my account ;) Moved to Yahoo the day it was announced.
  7. Priceless quote. by jwietelmann · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the article:

    "Today, the market is increasingly dominated by one player, who is consolidating its dominance through acquisition," Microsoft said.
    Sound like anyone you know?
  8. Oh, no, Mr. Bill! Leave my Yahoo! Alone!! by jo42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What would this mean to Yahoo E-mail? Or Flickr? Or the great web developer toolkits Yahoo has release? Just imagine the migration of all Yahoo services over to Windows Server. Unless they leave it alone, whatever Microsoft does would be the kiss of death to what Yahoo is.

  9. The only thing that matters: EMAIL by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I have 10 years of email in yahoo. If MS takes over, what then? Will they force everyone into hotmail accounts? I think I'm going to be spending a few hours every night downloading and saving my email off line.

    Interesting that - imagine building a business using online apps, only to have your supplier go under and get bought out in some botched effort, and then lose history...

    I think there are a number of serious implications in this MS/Yahoo deal. The monopoly aspect is actually the least problematic: the loss of history is a greater problem.

    But then, maybe the Feds under a Democratic Admin will say "nuh uh!" and kill the deal...

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  10. And then there were two by fictionpuss · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Considering that internet search and online advertising are exactly the places they don't dominate, I don't see why regulators would object.

    Maybe, but the possibility of there only being two main search engines out there, with the next largest competitor Ask.com at a paltry 4.1%, is fairly scary.

    1. Re:And then there were two by paeanblack · · Score: 5, Funny

      Could you please explain where search isn't good enough? Google works well enough for me (and just about everyone I know). I've never really sat back and thought, "Damn, I wish there was some better search engine out there."

      This is when I will be impressed...

      http://pics.nerdnirvana.org/d/1406-1/myhouse_google_com.jpg

  11. The Empire Strikes Back by QuatermassX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It was only a matter of time before Microsoft decided to try to get a final regulatory pass from the Bush administration before the inauguration of a less-sympathetic President in 2009.

    This deal makes a lot of sense for Microsoft (sort of - I'm assuming Yahoo!'s ad business really is worth the cash), but I can't see how this is at all good for Yahoo! or the marketplace at large.

    Is the plan to re-brand everything as Microsoft Live! (keeping the exclamation mark) - thus destroying pretty much the only thing Yahoo! has going for it - brand recognition?

    I would be very sad to see Yahoo! and their odd collection of services get subsumed and destroyed in a merger with Microsoft. Yes, I'm assuming much of Yahoo!'s tech portfolio would be wiped away or left to die - this wouldn't be the sort of merger Adobe engineered with Macromedia by a long shot.

  12. flickr by suzerain · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Shit, now this means the photos I have on flickr are going to be owned by Microsoft? Oy vey. Can we have a "good photo sharing site" thread now so I can find the alternatives?

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  13. Re:Zimbra by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just in case you just now got out of the DeLorean, Yahoo bought Zimbra back in September.

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  14. Microsoft's monopoly money... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ... accumulated through the illegal leveraging of their desktop monopoly. Ever wonder where all the money from the over-priced MS Windows and MS Office franchises goes?

    Microsoft is looking to put google out of business.

  15. Re:Is this innovation? by everphilski · · Score: 3, Informative

    One nice thing about Live.com, at least in my humble opinion, is that people haven't gamed the hell out of it. People have SEO'd the crap out of meaningless pages on google, so within the first five to ten results for any given search, I find crap. I haven't seen that with Live.

    I try and mix it up, I still use Google a lot but unless they find a way to get people to stop gaming the system, I think Google will have some problems. Seeing pages filled with banner ads in your first ten results for an engineering or computer science topic is disheartening.

  16. I contacted the FTC to complain by div_2n · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wrote to the FTC to complain because since Yahoo now owns Zimbra, this means that Microsoft will have the ability to kill the only serious competitor to their Exchange platform.

    I know about the other solutions, but none are as feature complete IMHO as Zimbra. Two words: Blackberry integration.

  17. Re:nice to see by Kamokazi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yahoo is generally quite a bit more prominent than Google in Asia, and there are quite a few people there. Microsoft has a lot of money to throw around, and if they can make Google insignificant over there, that limits the markets Google can grow in and may pose some serious problems. But it'll take some time before we see any significant marketshare changes I think, and anything can happen. Microsoft might have the big money, but you never want to underestimate Google.

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  18. I for one... by Zarf · · Score: 4, Funny

    I for one... welcome our new yodeling software overlords.

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  19. Hmmm..... by 8127972 · · Score: 4, Funny

    In this story:

    http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/299523

    Ballmer makes this comment:

    " Signalling Microsoft doesn't intend to take no for an answer, Ballmer wrote that the company "reserves the right to pursue all necessary steps to ensure that Yahoo's shareholders are provided with the opportunity to realize the value inherent in our proposal.""

    My question is how many chairs does that involve?

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  20. Love vs. Hate by ablair · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For a heavy internet user like me, this news comes as a crisis of conscience. Having been a loyal Yahoo! Mail user for over a decade (the world's largest webmail service), and having so much of my online presence on Yahoo's comprehensive services - Contacts, Flickr, online document storage, Messenger, Y!Finance, Groups, (the list is endless) - I am obvioulsy deeply loyal to an independent Yahoo! ...But one reason that I've allowed Yahoo! to gradually become such an important part of my life is that it's NOT Microsoft. The same sentiments are felt by millions: will loyalty to a very useful Yahoo! be enough to overcome our distaste for Microsoft and the inevitable changes a takeover will entail? This is not insignificant nor a "religious platform issue" - note how Hotmail has fallen from #1 spot in email users after the MS takeover, for example. Yahoo! webmail alone reportedly accounts for 255 million of the world's 543 million webmail accounts, and webmail is only one of a vast range of internet & open source items Yahoo! is involved in.

    Yahoo News itself is reporting this as a hostile takeover, but seemingly with Microsoft willing to pay such a large premium, one that will be hard to resist. It's interesting that Microsoft is willing to use up almost all of it's cash reserves for this takeover, largely sacrificing it's flexibility to make strategic investments in the future. But from the perspective of Yahoo! users the more important question is whether a MS takeover will turn Yahoo! into tepid porridge? And will the long, slow decline of Microsoft now drag Yahoo! down too?

  21. Fate of Flickr? by MisterSquid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If this deal goes through, expect to hear a gigantic sucking sound coming from the direction of Flickr.

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    1. Re:Fate of Flickr? by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That was my first thought. They can have the portal, the ad business, but PLEASE! excise Flickr from the deal...I'm kinda sorta glad that I haven't based my photo collection with them, but their service has been really nice for sharing photos with other people. Guess it's time to go some other place to host my photos...

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    2. Re:Fate of Flickr? by MrNemesis · · Score: 5, Funny

      Are you kidding? A Silverlight-only, ActiveX-only-upload Flickr would absolutely *rock*! I can't think of a better way to gain marketshare.

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    3. Re:Fate of Flickr? by JavaLord · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are you kidding? A Silverlight-only, ActiveX-only-upload Flickr would absolutely *rock*! I can't think of a better way to gain marketshare.

      The real key would be to make it IE 7 only. That way people would only experience Flickr with a top notch browser, thus enhancing the Flickr brand!

  22. Re:nice to see by nbharatvarma · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I cannot comment on the entirety of Asia, but I am an Indian and from a state called Andhra Pradesh (Hyderabad, in case you have heard of it). We speak a language called 'Telugu' here. I doubt if more than 1 or 2 percent of the world has heard of it.
    The amount of Internet penetration here is very very less, apart from Hyderabad. Google is so popular that it is part of our songs [Like Bollywood, which are Hindi films, we have our own industry of sorts with Telugu films and yes they all have songs].
    When a movie song has Google in it, it is because the average movie-goer knows what it is.
    Google has become a part of our language. The same with some other regional languages include the National language Hindi.

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  23. Re:Going to Hotmail Hell by MtViewGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hotmail has been really bad in the past but the current version of Microsoft Live! Hotmail is actually pretty good. I think Microsoft--if they want good PR--should keep Yahoo! running as a separate subsidiary instead of integrating it into Microsoft itself

  24. Perhaps by hrieke · · Score: 3, Interesting

    the real reason to buy Yahoo is to kill it.
    I can see this in a two prong attack to get to Google.
    First, by buying Yahoo, they get access to all of Yahoo's users which will be migrated over to MSN. This will give MS the strength to talk to Madison Ave and have the technology that is good enough.

    Second, MS will then offer cut rate advertisement (or perhaps a new click model which is deeply discounted), which will force Google to react or lose market share.
    Remember that Google is primarily a advertisement firm with some killer search technology, not a technology firm that also does ads- so to use a Ballmer quote from the past, to kill a company, you "cut out the air supply". Google's air is adverts.

    Finally, this will cut into Yahoo's open source projects; just a little benefit for MS, but still, it's there.

    To a monopolist, $40b is cheep money for killing 2 birds with one stone.

    Now, will it happen?
    That's another question.

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  25. This is bad on many levels by mlwmohawk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    OK, Yahoo isn't a small company. This isn't like other acquisitions MS has made. This is more like a Compaq buying DEC. Think about it, Yahoo is sort of losing against Google. So Microsoft is buying a faltering competitor to (a) merge income and (2) reduce the competition by one player.

    That makes the game Microsoft vs Google.

    Now, can Microsoft really take on Yahoo without destroying it? Will it be like when Compaq bought DEC? Or will it work? Yahoo is all FreeBSD, the engineers there HATE and laugh at Microsoft and its products. I know for a fact that moral will sink and people will leave Yahoo.

    There is something different going on here. FAST, Fast Search and Transfer, previous owners of www.alltheweb.com, a search engine competitor to google in the late 1990s split from its search engine business which it sold to overture, which was bought by Yahoo. Microsoft is currently in the process of buying FAST, and next on the agenda is Yahoo. Bringing back together, the two halves of the old company.

    It may be a coincidence, but it is curious. Why would Microsoft buy technology that it arguably already has or could build cheaper? What is it they are out to get? Are there patents or other "intellectual property" owned collectively by the two parts of FAST that they can use to sue Google?

    Also, Yahoo is a HUGE open source user/contributor. A purchase by Microsoft will almost certainly reduce the number and amount of contribution to the open source environment.

    Lastlt, isn't this *exactly* what the Sherman act was designed to prevent?

  26. I'm confused... by Crazyscottie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Reminds me of the Sony root kit debacle, the blogger who released the information about the root kit, his association with M$ and that M$ was fully aware of the root kit well before it's release and for some odd reason the release of the information about the root kit coincided with the launch of the PS3.

    The Sony rootkit debacle began in October 2005. The PS3 was released in November 2006. How, exactly, did these two events coincide?

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  27. Omens bad, they are by Wylfing · · Score: 3, Funny

    When you scramble up the letters in Microsoft and Yahoo it spells Hot Roomy Fiasco. That can't be good.

    Wait, it can also spell Ciao, Frosty Homo. That's not so good either.

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  28. Flickr deletes anti-Microsoft threads by quinnanya · · Score: 4, Funny

    As of a half hour ago, there were multiple anti-Microsoft threads in the help forum and elsewhere. Now they're nowhere to be found...

  29. Re:Pot, kettle, very black. by Khuffie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The M$ moniker is perfectly legitimate and weakens nobody's position in the slightest.

    Arguments are weakened by false or inaccurate premises, writing M$ gives a perfect idea of the bias of the poster

    Durr. Those two statements contradict each other. Yes, writing M$ DOES give a perfect idea of the bias of the poster...that is, a blind Microsoft hater that takes any opportunity to criticize them.

  30. Re:Question - Why is EU approval needed? by jas79 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    because they do business in the EU and they have subsidiaries in the EU.

  31. Will MS buy #2 and make it #3 like them? by JoeCommodore · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Years ago Microsoft said they would be the #1 search engine and set up Microsoft Network using their best and brightest tech staff and the cutting edge of Microsoft technology innovation, they released many new features bought up some services and integrated them and the best they have achieved is #3 and they seem to be stuck there.

    Before MS buys something more successful than they are - I think they should do some serious introspection as to why exactly they were not able to achieve such a lofty goal on their own given how much more value they are (in their words) to the customer. If they just buy #2 there's probably a good chance they will sink back to #3 again as they integrate their #3 ideas on a business operating at #2.

    I would think if they really wanted to be #2 they should pay Yahoo to 'buy MSN' and let Yahoo figure out what is wrong with their #3 problem and overlay the staff, technology and features that could make MSN #2.

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  32. Re:Pot, kettle, very black. by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In what way is "M$" perfectly legitimate?

    Look, you have a few choices:
    1) You can type Microsoft like a normal non-cretin
    2) You can type the stock-ticker abbreviation, MSFT
    3) You can type the accepted acronym, MS

    All three of those options work. M$ isn't any of them.

  33. Re:Pot, kettle, very black. by vhogemann · · Score: 4, Funny

    When you're talking about the Microsft's evil twin from the mirror universe... See, an $ is just a S with a goatee.

    The only problem is that M$ actually makes money on OpenSource software and services, and it's founder is a bald and well shaved Robert Stalman, AKA M$ Bob. ;-)

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  34. The FreeBSD / MySQL migration will be fun... by Builder · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...to watch from a great distance!

    I remember how many goes it took to get hotmail off of FreeBSD, and I expect Yahoo! to be even harder.

  35. For the sake of innovation... by ikarous · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hope this deal will not go through. I use Google's products over Yahoo's as a matter of taste; I find Yahoo's pages too cluttered to be aesthetically pleasing. Be that as it may, the last thing I want to see is Yahoo going under; which, in my humble opinion, is exactly what this deal would amount to in the long run. Microsoft has a long history of buying out innovative companies and products and subsequently turning them into Passport/Live/insert-buzzword-here clones with vastly inferior functionality than their previous iterations. If Microsoft buys Yahoo! and slowly runs it into the ground, slowly replacing Yahoo's key engineers with Microsoft people, what major competitor will be left to offer (real) innovative competition to Google? I respect all the good that Google has done the Internet as a whole, but I am not blind to the fact that the corporation is now a publicly traded company, and thus subject to the whims of shareholders. If Google's most threatening competitor becomes stagnant, or even regressive, how will Google justify research and development costs to its shareholders? Maybe I'm wrong and Microsoft will retain Yahoo!'s management and employees more or less as they are, but I doubt it. I see this deal as injurious to innovation in OS-independent web technologies.

  36. Re:Pot, kettle, very black. Or not. by mysticgoat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In what way is "M$" perfectly legitimate?

    Look, you have a few choices:
    1. You can type Microsoft like a normal non-cretin
    2. You can type the stock-ticker abbreviation, MSFT
    3. You can type the accepted acronym, MS
    All three of those options work. M$ isn't any of them

    No. "M$" is a perfectly cromulent disambiguation. Otherwise, we would have trouble distinguishing between
    MS==Metric System
    MS==Multiple Sclerosis
    MS==Mississippi (the state)
    MS==Manuscript
    MS==Master of Science
    And the list goes on and on...

    But in contemporary global society, there is only one M$.

  37. Re:Pot, kettle, very black. by greenbird · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, writing M$ DOES give a perfect idea of the bias of the poster...that is, a blind Microsoft hater that takes any opportunity to criticize them.

    Why does it mean he's a blind Microsoft hater? He could very well be a knowledgeable Microsoft hater like the rest of us who have to suffer through the nightmare of Microsoft because they managed to get control of the market despite there being much better alternatives out there that the knowledgeable Microsoft haters have been using for years. The bias is likely for very good, supportable reasons.

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