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February 2008 Hardware Roundup

Tom's Hardware has a nice roundup of some of the new shiny hardware for February '08. Everything from a screaming fast 2 GHz DDR3 to liquid cooled cases and back again. "Unlike previous Zalman cases that used a heat pipe assembly, the LQ1000 has a traditional water pump and flexible hose for connecting the case's sinks to CPU and graphics coolers. A passively-cooled finned side panel and fan-assisted rear radiator remove heat, while a lighted flow indicator shows the bottom-mounted pump in action."

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  1. Unfortunately by opusman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    By the time you've clicked through all 21 pages, it will be March already.

  2. Stop this. by BeeBeard · · Score: 4, Informative

    Please stop linking to "articles" on the page-o-ads tomshardware site and making them money. They have a hardware roundup every month; there's no need to link to them just to improve their ad revenue stream.

    1. Re:Stop this. by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Informative

      there's no need to link to them just to improve their ad revenue stream. Linking to ad-filled pages is kinda how the internet works.
      If you don't like it, get an ad-blocker, stop visiting those sites, or visit the printer friendly link.
      It's 21 pages in 1:
      http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/02/01/hardware_news_roundup_january_2008/print.html
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    2. Re:Stop this. by milsoRgen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I used to be a big fan of Tom's Hardware. Back when Tom Pabst was actually involved with the day to day operations of the site, last I remember they sold the whole shebang to some other company, good for them. But it's been mess for a long time now, I can't bring myself to read a full article there anymore... It's a shame really. IMHO

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  3. Thanks, but no. by JK_the_Slacker · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm waiting for the swimsuit edition.

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  4. Traditional? by Applekid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    traditional water pump and flexible hose Water cooling is traditional now? I guess I gotta start shouting at kids to get off my lawn because my computer is air cooled.
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    1. Re:Traditional? by rucs_hack · · Score: 2, Funny

      I guess I gotta start shouting at kids to get off my lawn because my computer is air cooled.

      Who needs a reason?

      Um, I didn't say that....

  5. Summary if you don't want to go through it all by Gat0r30y · · Score: 5, Informative

    - a bunch of novelty cases
    - overpriced power supplies
    - and 6 new DDR3 modules at varying frequencies

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  6. WARNING: Link is GNAA by celardore · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's a link to last measure. Don't click it, just a heads up.

  7. Since we're all here by rhdaly · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Since the hardware experts are all here and you're all complaining about Tom's Hardware's advertisements and novelty/enthusiast equipment, can anyone recommend a good hardware review site, especially for (comparative) beginners? I'm a graphic designer and could use some advice on buying a new computer that's more detailed than, "buy the mac that fits in your budget." And even if the best advice really is to buy that mac, I'd be a lot more comfortable paying it's thousand dollar price tag if I knew why.

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    1. Re:Since we're all here by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And even if the best advice really is to buy that mac, I'd be a lot more comfortable paying it's thousand dollar price tag if I knew why.

      Because of OS X. The hardware doesn't even enter into the equation.

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    2. Re:Since we're all here by HebrewToYou · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The new MacPro supports up to 32 GB of RAM and is the best option for a true pro workstation. I would purchase my monitors, hard drives and additional RAM separately as Apple tends to mark those up significantly. Just configure the high-end model -- dual 3.2Ghz quad-core xeons -- with the minimal specs and install the rest yourself. It's fairly easy to do. Such is my advice to you.

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    3. Re:Since we're all here by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ars Technica. They aren't pure hardware review, but they do a good job and have much more insightful articles. Really, the difference between a Mac and a PC any more is the operating system and the fit and finish. The only reason to use a Mac is if you need/want OSX. Not a bad reason to use it, but that's the main differentiator between Macs and PC's. That, and design. Macs tend to have a certain spartan, minimalist yet functional design that appeals to a lot of people. It fits with their Ikea furniture ;)

      Tom's Hardware has good Charts section, too. It'll let you fairly easily compare different bits of hardware, and get the best bang for your buck with configurations, let you see if it's really worth the extra $300 to get the faster CPU and so on.

  8. 21 Pages?!?!?! by dbleoslow · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wow! 21 pages with 50% ads. Now I remember why I stopped reading Tom's Hardware years ago.

  9. Re:Depressing by Kraeloc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you buy second-rate to begin with, though, then you can enjoy it for years before it turns third-rate. A much better investment, and usually a lot cheaper.

  10. only one am2+ nvidia board and where is sb700 for. by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    only one am2+ nvidia board and where is sb700 for the AMD chipset boards?

  11. Big and bulky by Telvin_3d · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is it just me, or is everything in that article big and bulky? It's all RAM that's been made faster by adding cooling fins the size of bricks to them and other hardware made for running a server. I realize that all these hardware sites pander to the extreme gaming crowd, but where is the sleek and small?

    Instead of the case larger than some bookshelves, where is the one designed to run silent and unnoticed by my TV or under my desk? Instead of the super ram and massive hard drive racks, where is the clever wireless network storage solution that will move media around my house? Instead of the computer case with a big fat LCD screen built into the front, where is the sleek standalone screen that that can wirelessly connect to the server in the basement and display pictures when not in use?

    I don't think anyone is surprised to discover that by making everything twice as big, loud and hot you can get the most blazing performance. How about showing me something that impresses me instead?

    1. Re:Big and bulky by jfuredy · · Score: 4, Informative

      It sounds like you should be looking at Silent PC Review instead. They focus more on how you can get a moderately powerful computer without it being obtrusive. Maybe a little bit extreme at times, but always good info.

    2. Re:Big and bulky by Rene+S.+Hollan · · Score: 2, Informative

      EPIA 800 MhZ Nehemiah core on a nano_ITX mobo with 1 GB RAM, 500 GB 3-1/2" drive, and slot-loading DVD ROM in a Silverstone LC08 case.

      Add an 802.11n USB dongle out the back (or traditional wired 100 Mb/s Ethernet), and you're golden.

      Linux 2.6.23, alsa, xorg 7.1 with DRI, openchrome, xine --with-xvmc, and mythtv and you can render 1080i at anywhere from 40% (most streams) to (rarely) 95% (some particularly badly coded ones with lost of motion).

      I just finished natively building (i.e. compiling from the sources themselves on the box itself) this starting from a stock Damn Small Linux install.

      I'm trying to pare it down so it runs completely out of 512 MB RAM disk.

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    3. Re:Big and bulky by Rene+S.+Hollan · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Start with Damn Small Linux. CPU Mobo

      Hard Drive DVD ROM Case

      Other software:

      0. Install DSL to hard disk, reboot, and configure

      1. Upgrade (Apps->Tools) to gnu utils

      2. Install gcc

      3. Install zile (MyDSL) for editing convenience

      4. Other software (for building natively and installation):

      http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.7/linux-2.6.23.tar.bz2

      ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/grub-1.95.tar.gz

      ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/bison/bison-2.4.tar.bz2

      ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/m4/m4-1.4.tar.bz2

      http://www.oberhumer.com/opensource/lzo/download/lzo-2.02.tar.gz

      http://www.zlib.net/zlib-1.2.3.tar.gz

      http://www/perl.com/CPAN/src/perl-5.8.8.tar.bz2

      http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/autoconf/autoconf-2.61.tar.bz2

      http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/libtool/libtool-1.5.24.tar.gz

      http://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/X11R3/src/everything/index.html

      `grep bz2 index.html | sed s/^.*\.bz2\"\>// | sed s/\<.*// | sed s,^,http://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/X11R7.3/src/everything/,`

      http://gitweb.freedesktop.org?p=xorg/util/modular.git;a=blob_plain;f=build-from-tarballs.sh

      http://downloads.sourceforge.net/expat/expat-2.0.1.tar.gz

      http://downloads.sourceforge.net/libpng/libpng-1.2.24.tar.gz

      http://www.fontconfig.org/release/fontconfig-2.5.0.tar.gz

      http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/freetype/freetype-2.3.5.tar.bz2

      http://xcb.freedesktop.org/dist/libxcb-1.1.tar.bz2

      ftp://xmlsort.org/libxslt/libxslt-1.1.22.tar.gz

      ftp://xmlsort.org/libxslt/libxml2-2.6.30.tar.gz

      http://xcb.freedesktop.org/dist/xcb-proto-1.1.tar.bz2

      http://www.paldo.org/paldo/sources/pthread-stubs/libpthread-stubs-0.1.tar.bz2

      http://www.paldo.org/paldo/sources/xau/libXau-1.0.3.tar.bz2

      http://www.paldo.org/paldo/sources/xproto/xproto-7.0.11.tar.bz2

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  12. Just the opposite, I'm afraid. by BalorTFL · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not sure who told you that DDR3 RAM was low latency, but the statement is dead wrong. If you RTFA, you'll see that the new 2+GHz DDR3 has a CAS 10 latency!! While it's true that it's clocked more than double a typical DDR2 module @ 800mhz, these DDR2 modules are typically CAS 4 or 5, and timings can sometimes be tightened even further. The throughput of DDR3 memory is certainly boosted greatly over DDR2, but no matter how you measure it, memory latency has not seen the same improvement.

    1. Re:Just the opposite, I'm afraid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      They are about equal in terms of actual clock time, 5 cycles at 400mhz = 10 cycles at 800 mhz. Equal latency as the processor sees them, but twice the throughput.

  13. Re:But what're the hard facts on Latency? by Cup-of-Tea · · Score: 2, Informative

    The only way you're going to see latency cause large effects on performance is if you turn off the cache on your processor, or run some kind of program that always results in cache misses (which isn't at all realistic). The whole point of cache is to mask the effects of latency. For example, if you have a cache with a 98% hit rate (meaning that only 2% of all memory accesses need to wait on memory, which is fairly realistic for today's processors), then if you doubled your memory latency, your performance (average latency seen by the CPU) would only increase by 17%. If you could cut the latency in half, then your performance would only increase by 9%. In reality, there isn't that much variance between different latencies on similar types of memory. (I've assumed that the cache is 10 times faster than memory, which is pretty conservative).

    Applying Amdahl's law here, if you want to reduce memory latency, you really want to increase your cache's hit rate or speed, for example by getting a processor with a larger cache or lower cache latency.