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TSA Changes Screening Based on Blog Suggestion

hhavensteincw writes "Less than a week after it launched a new blog aimed at gathering suggestions from air travelers to improve airport security processes, the Transportation Security Administration changed a practice where some screeners were requiring passengers to remove all electronics, including Blackberries, iPods, and cords from carry-on luggage. Seems the TSA didn't know this was going on, and after the question was raised on its blog, it clamped down on the practice. The TSA also provided a detailed description of their reasoning behind the liquids policy. We discussed the opening of the blog last week."

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  1. What is this strange substance? by stupidflanders · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news, TSA is looking in to claims that some inspectors were unfamiliar soap, shampoo and other personal hygiene products...

    1. Re:What is this strange substance? by xoundmind · · Score: 5, Funny

      In other news, TSA is looking in to claims that some inspectors were unfamiliar soap, shampoo and other personal hygiene products...

      They read Slashdot?

  2. Re:Liquids and a /. car analogy. by aristolochene · · Score: 5, Informative

    regular drinking alcohol (i.e. 40-45% by volume) will not ignite if you put a match to it. It requires pre-heating an strong flame source to get it to burn. (Try making a molotov cocktail with room temp vodka, a rag and a match and you won't get very far).

    Of course, stronger alcohols (80-90%) will ignite. And for that reason you'll have a tough job taking them on board a plane (and this goes back way before 9/11). You could possibly try and use aftershave / perfume, but the overpowering smell would probably alert people before you get a chance to make a molotov cocktail.

    There simply is no way of covering every single eventuality and still ensuring an economically viable transport system. The whole point in airline security is to prevent some of the obvious risks.

    The /. analogy of cars is required here - you *cannot* prevent a car being stolen (or aeroplane being blown up), the more you secure you make it , the more tempting a target it becomes to high-end thieves(committed, organised terrorists). But that doesn't mean that locking the doors and setting the alarm (x-rays and searches) is a bad idea......

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  3. Re:Liquids and a /. car analogy. by SharpFang · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But that doesn't mean that locking the doors and setting the alarm (x-rays and searches) is a bad idea......

    Unless you spend over 15 minutes in front of the door fumbling with the multiple locks and alarms, you call in locksmith twice a month to let you in, and you got arrested twice for attempt to get inside your own car.

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  4. Bullshit answer from TSA by Shadow-isoHunt · · Score: 5, Informative

    The "binary explosive" plot involved TATP, triacetone triperoxide. Synthesis of AP requires time, ventilation, and an ice bath. The precipitate is NOT a liquid, it is a crystaline organic peroxide.

    See: http://roguesci.org/chemlab/energetics/acetone_peroxide.html

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  5. Problem is with hijacking, not bombing. by v(*_*)vvvv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The true threat with aircraft security is hijacking. A hijacker can take over an aircraft and use the plane as a missile. As someone pointed out earlier, if the goal was to just kill people, terrorists could just blow up prior to reaching the security check point or suicide bomb a crowd somewhere else. There are plenty of places to just blow up that would kill more people that can fit on a plane.

    If hijacking is the real threat, then the cockpit is what needs to be secured. Have it lock automatically prior to boarding, and have it unlock automatically after the plane is emptied. If terrorists can't get to the cockpit, then they cannot take over a craft.

  6. Airline travel made amusing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm a frequent flyer, and fly around the world. By far, and I really mean by a far far way, the U.S. has the WORST experience you can ever have in an airport, and it's not just the security. I've been stuck in Dhaka Bangladesh without being told what was going on, and didn't feel as screwed as I sometimes feel in the U.S. (Full disclosure, I'm an American living in Japan, I might think twice about pulling off the same thing in the U.S. I did this in Japan.)

    Long story short, I got really fed up with the way they handled my carry on, and insist on going through my personal belongings. I fly out of a local airport, and I KNOW that they know me (they see me once a week) and I know them. One day when I had time to spare, I went to the airport early on, and had sweet revenge. I had a laptop in my carry on... along with 3 rather vigorous vibrators, rigged to turn on at full speed when they opened the bag. Inside the bag I also had a homosexual porno magazine, along with a few tubes of personal lubricant, condoms, and latex gloves. Apparently dildo vibrators do not show up in that exact shape on the X-Ray machine, but the motors, wires and controllers, along with the batteries, sure do.

    Security: "Can we open your bag?"
    Me: "As if I have an option?"
    Security: "Sir, this is security. We must open your bag for security purposes."
    Me: "Like I said, I don't have a choice now do I. Just make sure you put it all back in place."

    The following expression of the officer, along with his mixed reactions as to what to do next, were pure Kodak moments. I really, really would have paid good money to get a copy of the surveillance camera video!! He first tried to close it and just return it to me, then he realized that he better check it out since he was the one that said it had to be done. I think he took about 0.8 seconds of a "thorough" inspection, then closed the bag. However, that wouldn't turn the dildos off, and they were still buzzing away, quite audibly. I gave him the "turn them off. All of them." look, and he fumbled again attempting to get all 3 turned off. Next Monday I fly out again. I can't wait to see what they'll do this time.

  7. Take two bottles onto the plane? by itsdapead · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But that complexity, from what I can gather, is precisely the point (according to the TSA blog post) of restricting the liquids in secure areas of airport terminals.

    Except the argument went something along the lines of:

    Q: Why can't we take more than 100ml of liquid on board?
    A: Because its possible you might mix up a binary liquid explosive on the plane!

    Q: So why can't several people work together and each bring 100ml of binary explosive makin's?
    A: Because you need the other people to carry the ice bath, liquid nitrogen, bunsen burner, pipette, magnetic stirrer, thermostatically controlled heater, fume cupboard and all the other lab gear you need to successfully mix up a binary liquid explosive; so making them carry the ingredients in several 100ml bottles is going to be the last straw that makes them abandon their dastardly plan!

    Q: But they could all bring on small quantities pre-mixed explosives?
    A: No, because liquid explosives are too unstable to carry pre-mixed.

    Q: So you're confirming that its nigh-on impossible to blow up a plane with liquid explosive?
    A: (mumbles) - we've found several bad 'uns manufacturing TATP.

    Q: Correction - you found pieces of several people who attempted to make TATP in the comfort of their own homes - oh, PS, TATP isn't a liquid.
    A: Oh look - butterfly!

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  8. Re:Didn't know? by afidel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not that the devices themselves are a threat per se, it's that the complex xray signature of an electronics device with a battery makes it difficult to interpret what you are seeing when there are things above and below them. Therefore they have you remove them to get a cleaner picture of both your luggage and the devices. I'm surprised this isn't national policy considering that laptops are already singled out to the point of them having to be out of any type of satchel.

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