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Has Ron Paul Quit?

Lally Singh sends us to the inside-the-Beltway blog Wonkette for a quick take on a letter Ron Paul sent to his supporters. In this analysis, Dr. Paul has basically called it quits. "Late Friday night, Dr. Congressman Ron Paul posted a letter to his fans basically saying it's over, but he will continue talking about his message, and plus it would be completely embarrassing for him if he also lost his congressional seat."

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  1. Real summary. by Romancer · · Score: 5, Informative

    FTA:

    "Let me tell you my thoughts. With Romney gone, the chances of a brokered convention are nearly zero. But that does not affect my determination to fight on, in every caucus and primary remaining, and at the convention for our ideas, with just as many delegates as I can get. But with so many primaries and caucuses now over, we do not now need so big a national campaign staff, and so I am making it leaner and tighter. Of course, I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican party, so there will be no third party run. I do not denigrate third parties -- just the opposite, and I have long worked to remove the ballot-access restrictions on them. But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican.

    I also have another priority. I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down. And I have another battle I must face here as well. If I were to lose the primary for my congressional seat, all our opponents would react with glee, and pretend it was a rejection of our ideas. I cannot and will not let that happen.

    In the presidential race and the congressional race, I need your support, as always. And I have plans to continue fighting for our ideas in politics and education that I will share with you when I can, for I will need you at my side. In the meantime, onward and upward! The neocons, the warmongers, the socialists, the advocates of inflation will be hearing much from you and me.

    Sincerely,

    Ron"

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    1. Re:Real summary. by log0n · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We still have Obama. Party doesn't really matter anymore.. the country is getting further and further fargone and needs real leadership. McCain (war hero or not - honestly, it's noble but doesn't impress me) and Clinton both represent entrenched politics and more of the same old. Sounds funny, if I can't have Ron Paul, I want Obama.

    2. Re:Real summary. by linzeal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, libertarianism for how to use a military and conduct some foreign policy and the domestic policy ala new deal. If we had taken the nearly 1 trillion dollars we have currently spent on the war and invested in this country's infrastructure we would not be in so many shit holes at once.

    3. Re:Real summary. by smittyoneeach · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I submit that the fundamental problem with the United States is excessively concentrated power.
      This is played out in both domestic and foreign arenas.
      If there are indeed infrastructure problems within a state, why is the state impotent incapable of fixing them, instead relying on federal handouts?
      Federal handouts put more layers in between the taxpayer and the civil servants managing the projects.
      Thus, the real place to begin the reform is to avoid giving the nearly 1 trillion dollars to the Fed.
      This simple logic can then be applied to the vampiric parade of entitlements currently sucking your wallet, and your future, dry.
      Or is pointing out the elephant in the room unforgivably unfashionable in these United States?

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    4. Re:Real summary. by iamacat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is that Republican candidates advocate a limited government, but only when it comes to wealth redistribution. They are perfectly happy to expand domestic surveillance programs, pass laws imposing their moral standards on everyone else (why should marriage definition be a federal issue?), subsiding big corporations of lobbyist buddies and so on. Basically, they want a government good for old, rich white men. I would vote for any Democratic, Republican or independent candidate who would vow to de-escalate federal power in an issue-neutral manner. For starters, apply the famed "strict constructionist" viewpoint to the rule that the feds will only be responsible for foreign policy, enforcement of constitutional rights of citizens and regulating interstate commerce in the most literal and narrow interpretation of settling trade disputes. Let the states define their own criminal codes and extradition agreements and prosecute crimes in jurisdiction(s) where they have occurred. Let some states decline to criminalize prostitution, internet gambling or smoking pot and learn from their own experience if they are willing to live with the consequences. Let liberal-leaning locales create their own universal health care and living wage programs as long as the residents are willing to pay the taxes. Let South Dakota outlaw abortion and teach biology from the Bible and deal with the consequences of most young women and college graduates leaving the state for California.

      Until that happens, I would rather have some of the federal budget used on social programs and education than to have all of it be channeled into corporate welfare, unnecessary wars and enforcing personal viewpoints of the politicians.

    5. Re:Real summary. by schnikies79 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If we hadn't spent that 1 trillion dollars on anything, we wouldn't be in debt as badly as we are.

      We shouldn't spend money we don't have. Not for infrastructure, not for social programs, not for anything. Any money left over by a budget surplus should go directly to paying down the national debt.

      The value of the dollar is almost directly related to the amount of debt we have, so the priority should be lowering said debt, not spending more.

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    6. Re:Real summary. by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not entitlements that's killing us, it's INCOMPETENCE. When you're not doing billions in hand outs to your buddies and giving high offices to political hacks, things actually get done.

      It's not enough that you cut taxes, it's that you cut spending as well. The opposite is true too. I don't mind being taxed if my ride to work is smoother and traffic is better managed.

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    7. Re:Real summary. by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would love to see what happens with slave Reparations if he wins.

      If there's one thing that's been keeping me up at night for the past eight years, it's slave reparations.

    8. Re:Real summary. by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I submit that the fundamental problem with the United States is excessively concentrated power.

      Agreed. But that concentration isn't just the federal government; it's the control of the majority of the nation's wealth into the hands of a few.

      This concentration isn't something that just happens, it occurs because of government action and policy - it's governments that issue corporate charters, land deeds, and the like.

      If there are indeed infrastructure problems within a state, why is the state impotent incapable of fixing them, instead relying on federal handouts?

      States vary enormously in their wealth. New Jersey's median household income is $64,169; Mississippi's is $35,261. If all states are part of one nation, if companies in New Jersey want to ship their goods to Mississippi, it's not unreasonable to share that wealth around so that everybody has decent infrastructure.

      Thus, the real place to begin the reform is to avoid giving the nearly 1 trillion dollars to the Fed. This simple logic can then be applied to the vampiric parade of entitlements currently sucking your wallet, and your future, dry.

      The big problem with entitlements is medical care. What drives the rising costs? The for-profit medical "care" model.

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    9. Re:Real summary. by rolfwind · · Score: 5, Insightful

      WTF?

      Obama is not change. He's heavily for the welfare state, won't cut spending, has said he could support Real ID but only voted against it because the states lacked federal funding to implement it, voted to reauthorize the Patriot Act, and continues to fund the war.

      He is not a Ron Paul replacement by any measure. He's even #8 on this list:
      http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list-washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007

      For what that is worth. I'm sorry, but he sounds a lot like Clinton '92. Vague on specifics, big on "Hope" and "Change" and some call him a "Washington Outsider" (just like the last two president when entering).

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVKSfwfy0h8

    10. Re:Real summary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Come to the real South where you can't avoid blacks, and while there is certainly some racism remaining, there's a lot less of it and what's left is less vehement. The more you interact with another race, the less you are capable of claiming they are fundamentally different and less than you.

      I'm ashamed to say so, but for me it's absolutely the opposite. I grew up in an all-white town and did not have a hint, not a hint of racism when I left for college. Then I got here, where there're tons of black people, and ever since --- but really only in the last year or two --- I've slowly gained racist tendencies and thoughts.

      I don't believe I'm prejudiced against black people; I believe I evaluate each person on his own merits. But I'm an extreme victim of confirmation bias; it really seems to me like a higher percentage of the black people I come into contact with on a daily basis are thugs, idiots, and/or jerks than the people of every other race.

      Maybe it's just a culture thing; I'm not as accustomed to black culture's annoyances as I am to white culture's annoyances. Whatever it is, it scares me a little that I feel like I'm getting more racist with experience instead of less.

      I'm highly ashamed to admit this, but I felt like a counterexample should speak up.

    11. Re:Real summary. by HangingChad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not entitlements that's killing us

      Sure they are. Only the entitlements are going to Haliburton, KBR, Blackwater, AT$T, CACI and other companies cooperating in the looting of our treasury and trashing our liberty. The new entitlements are for agencies like DHS that consume more and more resources, inconvenience millions of innocent people, yet don't make us any safer. Conservatives supposedly supported Bush because he believed in small government, but he created a massive and invasive new federal bureaucracy on the fringe of functionality.

      We've replaced welfare for the poor with welfare for rich and powerful. We owe those companies billions, we waste billions more on a false sense of security. Where did you think the money was going to come from? You want unlimited government spending but no new taxes. How's that working so far?

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    12. Re:Real summary. by cetialphav · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Department of Education uses 2% of the federal budget. Their total budget is less than $60 billion dollars. Most of the money goes right back to the taxpayers in the form of Pell Grants ($13 billion) and various grants to the states ($24 billion). Those things do not sound like useless waste to me. Since this money goes into helping people go to college and improving schools in less affluent areas, I feel this is a good investment. A more educated workforce is great for the economy, and therefore good for me. Dollar for dollar, I think we get a better return on Pell Grants than we do on a new aircraft carrier ($13 billion).

      Now, I think the debating the merits of Federalism vs state control and the proper role of the federal government of in education is a worthwhile debate. I enjoy hearing different ideas on the best way to fund and run the education system. But I can never take seriously any politician who just says that we should close down the Department of Education. That just ignores the important role that it plays today.

    13. Re:Real summary. by grahamd0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're assuming that all corporations are equal. They may all be equally greedy. They may all be equally unethical. However, the GP is talking about channeling money to corporations that educate people as opposed to channeling money to corporations that kill people. Do you truly believe that both are equally offensive?

      I agree that the government *should* have as little money as possible, but I'd be much more comfortable living in a country that pissed away my money inefficiently trying to help people rather than pissing my money away efficiently killing people and reducing my civil liberties.

  2. Misleading title and summary by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 5, Informative

    Having read the Ron Paul letter, he's not dropping out: he's just admitting that his Presidential campaign is simply going to be a platform for his ideas, and that the real focus will be on his re-election to Congress. Here are some important bits:

    But that does not affect my determination to fight on, in every caucus and primary remaining, and at the convention for our ideas, with just as many delegates as I can get. But with so many primaries and caucuses now over, we do not now need so big a national campaign staff, and so I am making it leaner and tighter. Of course, I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican party, so there will be no third party run.

    I also have another priority. I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down. And I have another battle I must face here as well. If I were to lose the primary for my congressional seat, all our opponents would react with glee, and pretend it was a rejection of our ideas. I cannot and will not let that happen.
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  3. Re:Thank goodness by Icarus1919 · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's good. Now, if only we can get Reaganomics recognized as the science that it is.

  4. Re:Thank goodness by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Considering the economic wreckage that "science and empiricism" have delivered to the door, I wouldn't be too proud of traditional economic schools of thought right now. Measuring economic progress by the state of the stock market is a complete bust. The middle class and below are in pretty severe trouble right now. and have been for some time. A doctor's visit that cost $5 when I was a kid (the 60's) is now $90 (18x); fuel is up from 30 cents to three bucks (10x), cars from a few thousand to tens of thousands (10x to 20x and more), houses... houses are insane. In the face of all of this, minimum wage has risen from $1.25 in 1965 to $5.85, an increase of 4.7x altogether.

    Maybe it is time for money to be backed by something tangible and valuable, instead of the federal nothing-in-reserve notes we have now, backed only by the printing of nothing-in-reserve notes on the one hand, and the incineration of nothing-in-reserve notes on the other. Maybe it is time for infinitely corrosive tax schemes like the income tax to go away. Maybe it is time we stopped trying to be the world's police presence, and shut down all those foreign bases. Maybe it is time for us to stop borrowing money, pay back our debts, and begin to spend only those monies that we can afford to spend.

    Not that anything like this will happen. The US is going to find out what continuing these policies far past where they even appear to be doing any good takes us, because very few people are willing to disturb the status quo.

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  5. Re:Thank goodness by KDR_11k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Backed by something? Other currencies aren't backed by anything tangible either. That's not the reason the US dollar is crapping out.

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    Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
  6. Re:Thank goodness by Kelbear · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Gold is tangible, gold is scarce, but valuable? The high value of gold is built on intangible desires just like the value of paper and ink that we place on money. It's metal. I don't have gold, I don't have any use for it, and I don't want the metal. I want the cash value of gold though.

    A gold standard is just changing one object for another as a unit of exchange. You can use deer skins, rocks with holes in them, it's still money. If you want serious value behind the unit of exchange, exchange a valuable unit like a car or piece of machinery. Except those don't fit so well into a pocket. So you exchange cash. But cash makes your pocket fat, so we carry credit cards.

    The real goal of a gold standard is to combat uncontrolled money expansion. There are a number of ways to accomplish that without arbitrarily pivoting on some random and irrelevant metal.

    Ron Paul has some good ideas I'd support, but the gold standard isn't one of them.

  7. Last consolation prize possible by michaelmalak · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I've donated $600, knowing that Ron Paul would not win due to electronic voting and biased media, for two reasons: for Ron Paul to spread the message of freedom and to build the freedom movement for next time. Compared to the paltry showings of the Constitution Party that I've been supporting since 2000, compared to my own past efforts at underreported.com, and even compared to Ron Paul's own 1988 presidential run, it was money well spent. The message has spread further than anyone dreamed of even a year ago.

    I was elected to be a delegate on Feb. 5 for my precinct in Colorado, and I plan to go through with representing Ron Paul to the county level March 2 (and then possibly also to the state level on May 31) so that he does not lose any of the projected 42 delegates nationwide he is counting on.

    There is one last additional hope to further spread the message this cycle, and that is if Ron Paul can get first place in four states (he has no first place finishes so far, at least according to official tallies), then he will be allowed to speak at the Republican National Convention. And perhaps if that happens, some of the "limited government" planks of pre-2000 Republican party platforms can be reinserted. Not that a Republican president elected in 2008 would honor that, but it would ensure that in the 2012 debates that a small-government candidate can score points by quoting the platform and criticizing the neocons.

  8. Re:Let's face it, it's done by alan_dershowitz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I will tell you why I gave Ron Paul some financial support. I don't agree with all his politics, but I am a conservative who is against torture, is against the police state, is against the surveillance state and is against this war. I supported Ron Paul because every debate he shows up at he fucks up the unstated agreement among ALL other Republican candidates to not talk about any of that shit. He disrupts their big snow-job on the American public about the sins of the Republican party for the last eight years, and I love every minute of it.

  9. Re:Minimum wage? by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What has minimum wage got to do with anything?

    That you even ask the question is surprising to me. Minimum wage sets the floor at which jobs create an earner's ability to interact with the economy. Minimum wage also sets the base cost of anything that requires workers to create, be it product or service. From there, costs and wages go up as skills become scarcer. So minimum wage is a critical issue for both earners and job providers. Furthermore, minimum wage, by setting the earning level for the very lowest earning class of people who actually work within the system, places a hard line that cannot be crossed with regard to what such a worker can obtain within the system. You can't get below it, because you can't be paid less. An hour of labor gets you a minimum of $5.85, period. No less. About ten hours of work gets you one very short, very cursory doctor's appointment. An hour of work gets you about two gallons of gas. And so on. Earlier, you would have gotten more product or service, for less work on your part. This is a direct and concrete measure of economic conditions for the lowest class of earner, which is what I was talking about above.

    What if there wasn't one

    This is irrelevant; there *is* one and there has been for some time, so we can use it to measure available standards of living at the lowest participating tier at any point during the period which it has been enforced. You want to argue economic issues based on a situation that does not exist. I am simply pointing out the situation that actually *does* exist. My observation is that given the demonstrated effect on earning and buying power that our current economic system has had at the base level, we are going backwards. What one would hope for is that purchasing power would increase, not decrease. It has, however, decreased in real terms, and because of that, I think change is called for.

    You're going to have to come up with some numbers involving actual wages paid to compare to your numbers on inflation.

    Minimum wage *is* the actual wage paid for the lowest levels of people participating in the system. It has been since the 1930's or thereabouts. This gives you a direct lever, at the bottom, to relate an hour's work to the purchase of various goods and services. That's what I'm telling you: At the lowest economic level, it took less work to see the doctor in 1965 than it does today. That's going backwards. It took less work in 1965 to buy a house. That's going backwards. It took less hours of work in 1965 to buy a car. That's going backwards. It took less hours of work to buy a gallon of fuel. That's going backwards. It took less hours of work to put your kid through college or trade school. That's going backwards. It took less hours of work to buy heat for your home. That's going backwards. Life is getting more difficult for these people, not less difficult. That's going backwards. It is as plain as the nose on your face if you'll just stop and think about it for a minute.

    There are areas in the economy where people get more for their hour of work (electronics is one such instance) but in general, and especially for the basic requirements of day to day life, the ratio of hours worked to products and services obtainable are all going the wrong way.

    Proceeding in a course of action(s) that continues to make life more difficult for the lowest levels will eventually result in a situation where life within the systems is perceived as too difficult and people will turn to alternative means of making money; this is where black markets, under-the-counter wages, illegal products and services all gain a foothold in the economy. When working within the system fails to provide people with a tolerable lifestyle, they will look outside the system for relief. And furthermore, they will inevitably find such relief in a society that encourages out of bounds earnings mechanisms with laws that insist upon characterizing all manner of consensual acts as crimes.

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  10. What about the CONTRIBUTIONS? by Random+Q.+Hacker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I cannot believe no one has mentioned the contributions yet! Is Ron Paul going to keep the tens of millions in contributions that he barely spent? Is this going to disillusion a whole generation of politically active geeks?

    Ron Paul should donate a large portion of that money to the EFF, ACLU, and anyone else staying in the fight for our civil liberties! We did not contribute for his reelection to congress!