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The Grammy In Mathematics

An anonymous reader writes "A mathematician will receive a Grammy award for restoring the only known recording of a live Woody Guthrie performance — a bootleg someone made in 1949 using a wire recorder. Guthrie's daughter, who had never heard her father perform in front of a live audience, oversaw the restoration. The article links very cool before and after clips."

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  1. In other news... by bigattichouse · · Score: 4, Funny

    The RIAA sues same gentleman for 100,000,000 USD over same infringement of Guthrie's works, especially by the current owner. DMCA invoked on compromise of special wire-based recording medium, daughter of famous singer fined and sent to Gitmo, Hail freedom! Homeland security mistakes old recordings as bombs and bans them from all flights. Shall I go on?

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    1. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Can we have a "-1, Trite" mod? DMCA, RIAA, Gitmo, and airport security? All this guy needs is a reference to Microsoft, and we have Slashdot Bingo!

    2. Re:In other news... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To all those who like to argue against the ongoing use of analog recording mediums for original masters, let this be a lesson to you.

      Always record your originals in analog and immediately transfer to digital, and one day you may find that more of the original sonic environment can be recovered from that master than you ever thought possible through the progression of physics, chemistry and math.

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    3. Re:In other news... by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well perhaps OP knew that you yourself would provide the Microsoft reference.

      Oh - BINGO!

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    4. Re:In other news... by clickclickdrone · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Along the same lines, back in the 80's, An Atari ST was used to analyse and decode the output from an analogue video disc created by Baird (I think) in the late 1920's and managed to extract and display the image of a man's face.

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    5. Re:In other news... by VorpalRodent · · Score: 5, Funny

      Anybody can bash Microsoft, that's why it's the "Free" space at the center of Slashdot Bingo.

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    6. Re:In other news... by DdJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1) Things that we believe we can't distinguish now, we may demonstrate that we can distinguish in the future. Just because you can't tell the difference consciously when you listen to two samples doesn't mean that some subconscious part of your brain can't determine a difference. We cannot rule out subsonics, subliminal effects, and so on.

      2) There are technologies that would benefit from having more information available. Imagine being able to extract enough information from a recording to simulate that vocalist singing something else. Heck, for an example of a technology that benefits from much fancier recordings than some people ever thought they would need, consider the game "Rock Band". You can't (today) use a master recording in Rock Band unless each drum in the drum kit has a separate recording track. This is why the old Rush songs in the game are covers and not masters. Almost nobody imagined they'd actually have a need for those more detailed recordings, but now we do. (I say "you can't today" because the software to de-mix the drums isn't advanced enough yet. Once it is advanced enough... we may determine that common digital recordings aren't as good for this purpose as straight-up analog recordings!)

      3) This is the far-out one -- go ahead and warm up your mockery engines... what about superhuman hearing? Are you sure that, by technology (biotech, cybernetics, whatever), human hearing won't ever be improved? What about ... here it comes ... uplifted dolphins? (This is really just a sensationalist version of #2: "applications we haven't thought of yet".)

    7. Re:In other news... by audubon · · Score: 4, Informative

      The 4-frame-per-second video recordings were made on 78-RPM lacquers by John Logie Baird in 1927 and 1928. Don McLean performed the restoration.

  2. Title of story wrong? by Mushdot · · Score: 5, Informative

    The title of the article says the mathematician was norminated for a grammy, yet the article itself says the recording was put forward, which sounds more plausible.

  3. Re:In even more other news... by Loibisch · · Score: 5, Funny

    Congress declares that audio restoration is in fact nothing more than DRM circumvention and will henceforth be illegal under the NORESTORE act.

    Also: RIAA patents bad recording quality as a copy protection measure.
    (couldn't be closer to the truth for your average CD...)

    someone else take the torch from here :)

  4. Re:Only known what? by Spad · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's poorly phrased, but they mean the only known live recording of *that* performance.

  5. Re:aif file not working in Helix player on Ubuntu by simcop2387 · · Score: 4, Informative

    plays fine under mplayer

  6. A Mathematician by radarsat1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Congratulations, "A Mathematician"!!

    How awesome is that, to do some really interesting work, and finally get some world-wide recognition and even get your name on the front page of Slashdot!

    Oh, wait...

    Common people, let's give credit where credit is due. Thanks. The guy's name isn't even mentioned until the 11th paragraph of the story! Somehow when it's something cool like this it's enough to say, "mathematics did it!", as if this restoration technique of identifying the hum of a 1949 power supply to help guide a dynamic warping and interpolation technique just dropped out of thin air.

    (It's Kevin Short by the way, although if I understand the article, this sound engineer Jamie Howarth played a large part as well.)

  7. Re:The difference is negligible .. by NekSnappa · · Score: 4, Informative
    Okay, where to start?

    Yes there is less hiss in the background, but to say that the vocals are unchanged is wrong. I don't know what you were expecting here, but the point was to get it to sound as close as possible to hearing him playing live. The tone and pitch is correct, the high nasal voice is common in folk music, and that is how other Guthrie recordings sound.

    If you read TFA you would know that they used different mathematical approaches to compensate for kinks, and breaks in the original wire recording media, and various slow downs, and speed ups during recording which change the pitch when played back.

    And I have to say... Banjo? WTF! If you can't tell the difference between a banjo and an acoustic guitar you have no business commenting on this article.

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  8. Come back Woody Guthrie by aethera · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I to post hear all the reasons why everyone should know and admire a true American Here like Woody Guthrie, a guy who worked as a migrant farmer when the Depression and Dust Bowl drove him from Oklahoma at age 16, served in the Merchant Marine, got his head bashed in more than a few times fighting for the unions and against corrupt politicians....but I thought I could just let some of his own words say it for him:

    ""I am out to sing songs that will prove to you that this is your world and that if it has hit you pretty hard and knocked you for a dozen loops, no matter what color, what size you are, how you are built, I am out to sing the songs that make you take pride in yourself and in your work. And the songs that I sing are made up for the most part by all sorts of folks just about like you."

    "I hate a song that makes you think that you are not any good. I hate a song that makes you think that you are just born to lose. Bound to lose. No good to nobody. No good for nothing. Because you are too old or too young or too fat or too slim or too ugly or too this or too that."

    "Yes, as through this world I've wandered I've seen lots of funny men; Some will rob you with a six-gun, And some with a fountain pen"

    "This song is Copyrighted in U.S., under Seal of Copyright # 154085, for a period of 28 years, and anybody caught singin' it without our permission, will be mighty good friends of ourn, cause we don't give a dern. Publish it. Write it. Sing it. Swing to it. Yodel it. We wrote it, that's all we wanted to do."