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Microsoft Trolling for New Acquisitions

NewShinyCD writes "Sources tell Valleywag that startup Ustream.tv is in advanced discussions with Microsoft to acquire the lifecasting service for more than $50 million, but there are other companies in the bidding as well. Ustream is currently raising a very large initial round of VC financing, and Microsoft is attempting to grab them prefunding for a cheap price. Our tipster also mentions that Microsoft would use Ustream as a way to promote its Adobe Flash competitor, Silverlight." Relatedly, Microsoft has also announced their intent to buy Sidekick maker Danger. Financial details of the Danger buyout were not disclosed.

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  1. Wow, that's quite a title. by verbalcontract · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder how the person who wrote that title feels about Microsoft?

    Next up: "Microsoft cruising seedy bars on the hunt for fresh start-up action."

    1. Re:Wow, that's quite a title. by abaddononion · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe that's a fair point (I'm not saying the title created was unbiased, at all), but I think that this is put into a different perspective in the wake of Microsoft attempting to buy Yahoo, as well.

      There's a chance that this sudden surge of purchasing, if it's anything out of the ordinary (maybe it isn't, I don't personally keep close enough tabs on Microsoft acquisitions), is a sign of some sort of desperation on Microsoft's end. Rather than attempting to come up with any further new ideas (something I'm not certain Microsoft has really been interested in for a while now), they just seem to want to buy enough bits and pieces of the industry to increase their foothold.

      But then, Im just speculating. Appearances may be deceiving, but this appears to be an indicator that something's up over at M$. I just wonder the impact it will have if they were to go through with all of these acquisitions--including Yahoo--and none of it did them any good. Seems like that'd put a big dent even into Microsoft's daunting coffers.

    2. Re:Wow, that's quite a title. by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wonder how the person who wrote that title feels about Microsoft?

      Next up: "Microsoft cruising seedy bars on the hunt for fresh start-up action."

      The word "trolling" means fishing by pulling lures through the water, which isn't a bad analogy. It didn't come into existence after the birth of Usenet.

      "Microsoft Fishing for New Acquisitions" doesn't sound so bad, does it?
    3. Re:Wow, that's quite a title. by AndGodSed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Rather than attempting to come up with any further new ideas (something I'm not certain Microsoft has really been interested in for a while now), they just seem to want to buy enough bits and pieces of the industry to increase their foothold.


      Or threatening to sue for "patent infringement" like they did with several linux distros, Mark Shuttleworth gave them the finger...
    4. Re:Wow, that's quite a title. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Microsoft haven't been about creating new ideas for a long while now, if they ever were. The interesting change is that, now, rather than buying the best company in a market they want to enter, they are failing to buy the second-best. The thing this really indicates is that the management at Microsoft is no longer able to predict (or control) technology trends accurately enough to buy companies before they can gain a major foothold on the market. I wonder what Larry and Sergei would have said to an offer of a few million from Microsoft in 1999.

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    5. Re:Wow, that's quite a title. by smitth1276 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So "trolling" is now to be considered a complete and perfect synonym for "negotiating an acquisition"?

      Grow up people. It isn't 1997 anymore. It's not cute anymore. It doesn't make you sound smart anymore. Give up the irrational MS hatred.

    6. Re:Wow, that's quite a title. by trolltalk.com · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also, IIRC, they had something like $60billion in cash on hand last time I paid attention;

      You haven't been paying attention in quite a while - they have less than $22B. in cash, and even with offering only half-chas and half-stock,they've said they would probably borrow to finance the deal.

    7. Re:Wow, that's quite a title. by jalm111 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Microsoft not coming up with new ideas? They only spend about $7 billion a year on research which last time I checked was more than Google, IBM, or anyeone else for that matter. I believe this counts as 'attempting to come up with new ideas'.

      They've been buying a crap load of companies every year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_acquired_by_Microsoft_Corporation), this is nothing new...

    8. Re:Wow, that's quite a title. by recoiledsnake · · Score: 3, Insightful

      don't personally keep close enough tabs on Microsoft acquisitions), is a sign of some sort of desperation on Microsoft's end. Rather than attempting to come up with any further new ideas (something I'm not certain Microsoft has really been interested in for a while now), they just seem to want to buy enough bits and pieces of the industry to increase their foothold. Does that mean Google is more desperate and has no new ideas? Google acquired 17 companies in 2007(including the behemoth DoubleClick) whereas MS acquired only 14. Well I shouldn't have replied to someone calling Microsoft M$.
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    9. Re:Wow, that's quite a title. by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Microsoft Phishing for New Acquisitions" doesn't sound so bad, does it? There, that sounds more interesting.
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    10. Re:Wow, that's quite a title. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Give up the irrational MS hatred."

      Fuck Microsoft. Fuck them in their stupid asses. Why are you here on Slashdot anyway? Go read MSNBC or something you douchebag.

  2. You can't blame them... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 2, Funny

    Predators have to eat too...

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    1. Re:You can't blame them... by smitty97 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      and now that the yahoo thing isn't happening, they've got some money burning a hole in their pocket. apparently they can afford nearly 1000 of these little $50M companies.

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  3. Speaking of Silverlight... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Our tipster also mentions that Microsoft would use Ustream as a way to promote its Adobe Flash competitor, Silverlight."

    Joy. Another way for M$ to try to jam Silverlight down our throats...as if asking if we'd like to try it out every time we visit microsoft.com isn't quite invasive and annoying enough.
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    1. Re:Speaking of Silverlight... by sjaguar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As a .NET developer, I would go to one of Microsoft's sites every day. Since their deployment of Silverlight (and my refusal to install), I will only go once every few months or so.

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    2. Re:Speaking of Silverlight... by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 4, Informative

      Do you think MS will make a Siverlight for Linux? Most likely it will have to be done by Mono project and no doubt it will not be 100%
      Well known Microsoft supporter Miguel de Icaza is already several steps ahead of you. The Moonlight project is exactly that. And no, I will not install it.
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    3. Re:Speaking of Silverlight... by miffo.swe · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why anyone would want to implement silverlight this early on in Linux is beyond me. Mono/Moonlight is helping a closed product to the market with no benefits for the community whatsoever. Not many sites use it and those who do is paid for it.

      Miguel de Icaza should just crawl over to MS on hes knees and beg to work there instead of acting as if he cares anything about open source.

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  4. More propaganda! by jav1231 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Okay, I'm sick of this anti-Microsoft propaganda! It's not called an "acquisition!" It's called innovation! And thank goodness Microsoft is willing to innovate! Where would we be without Microsoft's lawyers out there pushing innovation? I'll tell you where we'd be! We'd have to depend on independent-thinking coders, developers, and open-source maverick's for our software and hardware advances! Or (shudder the thought) small companies with "great ideas." Puhleez! Let's stick to reality here, Folks!

  5. Copycat by Prien715 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Part of MS's strategy is to let other companies find markets, and then compete in them once those markets exist.

    XBox. Zune. Live Search (let's buy Yahoo!)

    The iPhone was wildly successful so let's copy it, since that seems to be working for us so well with the iPod.

    The best part of this "strategy" is that every division except the office/Windows division, loses money. Which leads me to wonder why they even try.

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    1. Re:Copycat by ArikTheRed · · Score: 2, Informative

      The best part of this "strategy" is that every division except the office/Windows division, loses money. Which leads me to wonder why they even try. That's not entirely accurate. MS XBox division profited $524M so far the first half of this financial year, and growing (they did lose money in the beginning - no surprise to anyone).

      It only takes one success to make up for many failures - that's how VC companies make their money. That's a large part of what MS is: a giant technology VC company. But rather than just invest in other companies, they buy them.
  6. Speaking of trolling... by smitth1276 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... Slashdot is a self-parody at this point.

  7. Just curious: by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 5, Funny

    Have you ever tried working on Flash as a developer? I'd pretty much rather slam my balls in a car door than do so again.

    Anything that makes Flash actually have to compete in the marketplace is a good thing.

  8. MS has also eaten Caligari by Fallen+Andy · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Click on the picture at top right and scroll through the

    short thread at http://www.caligari.com/.

    Does this mean we'll see a 3d desktop on Blue Crystals(R) 7.5 I wonder?

    or even worse a 3d virtual MS-Bob

    Andy

  9. Say goodbye to the Sidekick (aka Danger HipTop) by GuNgA-DiN · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Say goodbye to the Sidekick (aka Danger HipTop). Microsoft is simply the kiss of death for any company or product. Like chatting with your friends on AIM? Forget it! You can force them to sign up for an MSN account now. Like using sites like Google to look up info on your Sidekick? Forget it! You'll use Windows Live and like it! Like using your Sidekick and think it's pretty stable? Not any more.... here comes Windows Mobile.... to fuck up the day! Microsoft thinks that they are going to get a big youth market who doesn't even realize that things have changed. Nope. Instead they'll get millions of kids dropping their Sidekick accounts and moving on to something cooler.

  10. ITYM "trawling" by aduthie · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Trolling" would mean they're hanging around crappy discussion forums looking for ways to cheeze people off.

    "Trawling" would mean they're out there dragging their nets and fishing lines in hopes of catching something worth keeping.

    The former is intentionally pejorative, the latter is simply metaphorical.

  11. Diworsification by TruthfulLiar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Some investment book I was reading (Peter Lynch, maybe) referred to companies investing in areas outside their traditional areas as diworsification because when companies did it, it usually hurt the business. And in either Built to Last or Good to Great, Jim Collins says that great businesses stick to their main thing they do well (their "hedgehog concept"). I wonder if Microsoft has lost its vision. Seems like they would do better if they focussed on making a great OS (their main strength) for mobile phones rather than making phones (not their strength).

    1. Re:Diworsification by iamnafets · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think Microsoft's primary divisions (Office and Windows) while profitable, are not "future proof." Microsoft is a very forward thinking company and is looking for a profitable escape route that they jump onto with their almost unfair lump of cash. They can afford to poke around a bit in other markets until they find a place worth settling, and since Office and Windows development are largely at critical mass, there's really no better way to use the money... Nobody is going to buy an extra copy of Windows because 100 new devs are working on the hotfixes for minor bugs in file copying for Vista.

  12. Making money by divisions by alexhmit01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem is that since Gates left, Microsoft has reorganized a bunch of times by corporate executives that do what executives do, make themselves look good. The new divisional lines seem designed to make certain that every division is profitable, by taking a money maker and assigning it a bunch of losers.

    The corporate structure appears designed to protect executives, their jobs, and their bonuses, not identify winners to ride and losers to cut loose. The company is WAY less cutthroat and vicious that it was when Gates ran the place... and it is not dominating new markets the same way... and the stock's performance reflects that.

    So either Gates saw the glory days behind him and got out on a high note, or he was a truly remarkable visionary/businessman that saw waves early enough to get in and dominate, and his replacement keeps moving the chairs around knowing that payday is on Friday, and each payday he hits is a nice win for him

  13. Obviously, you do not remember the good ole' days by AppleTwoGuru · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reason caution should be given to Microsoft regarding anything they do, is because what they did (in the public eye and behind closed doors) with the existing market computer market in the late 80's... take a crappy product (MS-DOS and Windows 3.0) litigate companies out of existence (like Stac Electronics,) run companies/products off/reduce the market through either bullying or blackmail (Atari, Amiga/Commodore 64/128, Wordperfect for Linux, Novell DOS7, Caldera DOS, CP/M) or through their illegal monopoly (Wordperfect in general, Visa-calc, WordPro, dBase III,) or through investment manipulation (the indirect funding of SCO Unix to litigate against Linux/IBM,) or even recently, the vote-buying and rigging of the ISO to pass a stupid standard like OOXML off as an ISO standard.

    No, Bill Gates is not the Devil, but he might be listening to him. And a lot of what MS-Executives do, not necessarily the employees, is Evil. Evil against a true democratic-judicial system that is somewhat prone to influence, bribery, and special interests when enough money is presented with a certain level of political maneuvering. True justice is when a person without large sums of money, a person like the consumer, can be protected from a person with a lot of wealth, power, and influence. (BTW: When someone can successfully use power, wealth, and influence to compromise a market and law enforcement the way microsoft has done over the years, that is not True Capitalism. That is Greed, Suppression of the People, and Taking Unfair Advantage of the consumer market. There is a reason they call it ANTI-TRUST, because the market DOES NOT TRUST them. You can defile the true beneficial impact of ANTI-TRUST by paying off the guardians of Trust.)

    And no, how Microsoft runs their business is not how it is suppose to be, because there were certain laws established to protect consumer markets, and all Microsoft see them as are marketing hurdles, not items that give respect to the people. By their actions, they reduce the options available to the market, because they know themselves, that anyone can out-produce, out-innovate, or out-create them. They had to change the rules to suit their corporate personality, which is equal to that of a high-school bully.

    Defending Microsoft? You claim you are not. But I refused to buy into the lie that Microsoft is a good corporate citizen of it's market and country. I want corporate responsibility, accountability, and true innovation by even the smallest least insignificant inventor, to give them a chance to get themselves out of poverty or a lower economic class just like people in pro-sports do. All of the citizens are valuable, not just a select few rich and wealthy people who also happen to be bent on Greed instead of being a public or market servant.

  14. I forgot to mention - Xerox, Apple, and Microsoft by AppleTwoGuru · · Score: 2, Informative

    Apple, when they got the technology from Xerox Parc, technology that Xerox execs outrightly rejected, Steve Jobs was there to get it, legally and fair. But then Bill Gates stole it. (see Pirates of Silicon Valley) - Justice is not brought on those who slip up with stupidity like Steve Jobs may have done. Justice is brought on to those who break the law. And Bill Gates and co had enough power and politics to slither out of justice being served in the proper way when Apple and Microsoft went to court. Apple had to settle in order to survive. Just because Microsoft came out the victor, does not make Microsoft right or the winner of Justice. There are many court cases in the U.S. where the people lose and the criminals win because, in that case, justice is either corrupt or ignorant.

  15. Competing with Flash?! by Cathoderoytube · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not particularly sure how far Microsoft going to get with their attempts to compete with Flash. Considering how widely used it is everywhere. It's even used outside of web applications. An ungodly number of cartoons on TV are animated using Flash. It's even beating out similar products in that field as well. Toonboom studio which is supposed to be a more animator friendly vector based animation program isn't even touching Flash. So I'm not sure what the hell Microsoft intends to do here. I think they should have released their Flash knockoff maybe 10 years ago, instead of now when they have absolutely zero chance of success.

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