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Outer Space has a Smell

repapetilto writes "ISS Science Officer Don Pettit reports in his journal that outer space gives off a smell best described as "a rather pleasant sweet metallic sensation." Kind of odd considering smell is supposed to be due to volatilized chemical compounds."

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  1. Take a big wiff by suso · · Score: 5, Funny

    Too bad the vacuum of space will suck that smell right out of your nose.

    1. Re:Take a big wiff by halivar · · Score: 3, Informative

      Are you sure? I think this calls for an empirical test. Stick your head out the window and check.

    2. Re:Take a big wiff by suso · · Score: 3, Funny

      I guess the right thing to say here is "That's one smell that will make your head explode".

    3. Re:Take a big wiff by RackinFrackin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah. Shouldn't it smell like blood?

    4. Re:Take a big wiff by SterlingSylver · · Score: 3, Informative

      No explosions, according to Cecil: http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_147.html

      You'd even have a few seconds of useful consciousness to take a whiff and stick your head back in!

    5. Re:Take a big wiff by Ilan+Volow · · Score: 2, Funny

      The smell of outer space is "Silent but Deadly".

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    6. Re:Take a big wiff by somersault · · Score: 2, Funny

      You just gave me a stellar idea for a highly expensive cure for chronic constipation *plot*

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  2. Sounds Like Ozone by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Interesting
    When I was younger, I also arc wielded to fix various metal things around farms. I too noticed this sweet, metallic smell.

    When I was a teenager I read a lot of short stories. Especially all the sci-fi & horror ones like Ray Bradbury, Philip K. Dick or Stephen King. I don't recall which one it was but a character had a train set that had a short in it on the tracks. The arcing electricity would give off this same smell. I learned through this short story that this is an incidental way to produce ozone (O3), a greenhouse gas. And that the smell is in fact a low amount of ozone. Perhaps you've detected it at the dentists office or while operating an engine? From the Wikipedia entry:

    Ozone may be formed from O2 by electrical discharges and by action of high energy electromagnetic radiation. Certain electrical equipment generate significant levels of ozone. This is especially true of devices using high voltages, such as ionic air purifiers, laser printers, photocopiers, and arc welders. Electric motors using brushes can generate ozone from repeated sparking inside the unit. Large motors that use brushes, such as those used by elevators or hydraulic pumps, will generate more ozone than smaller motors. I hope he doesn't write himself off as crazy if he did detect ozone. Or at least investigate where it could have come from. If there's tiny molecules of ozone floating around in orbit of the earth, I'm certain that would be scientifically interesting. Perhaps he should test the properties of these materials when exposed to ozone, do they attract the molecules? Or perhaps he should put the materials in a vacuum here on earth for a bit and then pull them out and see if he detects the same smell?

    The human nose can be an extremely strong tool for some individuals, perhaps this is more than just psychosomatic? It would drive me crazy to never investigate this if I were in his shoes. It may seem trivial but sometimes a peculiar notion is what drives scientists make a novel discovery ... or waste lots and lots of time.
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    1. Re:Sounds Like Ozone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If there's tiny molecules of ozone floating around in orbit of the earth, I'm certain that would be scientifically interesting.

      Indeed. I'm sure scientists would be astounded to discover that there is a "layer" around the Earth comprised of "ozone".

    2. Re:Sounds Like Ozone by ivan256 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That smell is also really bad for you. The Ozone oxidizes the inside of your nose and throat. If you breathe in a large quantity, you'll get a sore throat fairly quickly, and can die after several minutes in a room with a high concentration.

      I have a commercial ozone generator that I bought to use after my basement flooded to kill the mold. I had it on a timer for a while to run for an hour at night. Power went out, the timer got offset, and I went down there during the day while it was on. One lungful and I had a sore throat for a week.

    3. Re:Sounds Like Ozone by gwait · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Since there's an awful lot of charged particles, micrometeorites, and high energy photons bathing the astronauts while on a space walk,
      perhaps the smell is coming from all the ionized molecules on their suits and gear.

      Also, the space station is not entirely out of the atmosphere, is it? Isn't the top layer a lot of ionized gas as well - due to the same radiation sources?

      It would be interesting to compare the molecules per cubic meter in the ISS airlock with the number of molecules per cubic meter a human nose can detect..

      I hope he does continue to research this curiosity!

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    4. Re:Sounds Like Ozone by Kamineko · · Score: 4, Funny

      If there's tiny molecules of ozone floating around in orbit of the earth, I'm certain that would be scientifically interesting.

      Ozone... around the Earth?

      You mean like some kind of... layer?

      (Yes, I know, I know. Couldn't help it. :P)
    5. Re:Sounds Like Ozone by servognome · · Score: 4, Funny

      Indeed. I'm sure scientists would be astounded to discover that there is a "layer" around the Earth comprised of "ozone".
      *Gasp* This greenhouse gas layer must be destroyed to prevent global warming!
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    6. Re:Sounds Like Ozone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Lucky not to have permanent lung damage; that shit's like a suntan for your lungs. Have you gotten a lung capacity test? Yeah, I heard he got one from his boss right before his last promotion. It's ok though, his boss told him that his lung capacity was 'euphorically good.'
    7. Re:Sounds Like Ozone by tenco · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Since there's an awful lot of charged particles, micrometeorites, and high energy photons bathing the astronauts while on a space walk, perhaps the smell is coming from all the ionized molecules on their suits and gear.

      Origin of Ozone in the Ozone layer

    8. Re:Sounds Like Ozone by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Same here.

      Luckily it is also short lived. It rapidly breaks down into plain oxygen, and the smell goes away. I don't understand, though, how people can be in a room with one of those poorly made Ionic Breeze devices. They generate just enough ozone to drive me nuts. I don't even like walking by the outside of a Brookstone/Sharper Image store in the mall because of them.

    9. Re:Sounds Like Ozone by modecx · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ozone, to me, has a distinctly un-sweet smell. I mean, stick your head over a photo-copier going at full speed and you get ozone. I can't stand the stuff for any length of time, really.

      I also arc-weld, and do all sorts of other welding, and I think the sweet smell you noticed is much more likely vaporization of the flux, filler rod, and base material, surface contaminants (or any combination of the above) than it is to be of ozone, because those are produced in much higher quantities than ozone, and here's why: One of the main purposes the flux on the rod serves is to banish oxygen and other atmospheric gasses from the arc area when it vaporizes, creating a gaseous shield. If you were getting enough oxygen into the arc to produce a large quantity of ozone, something was way, way, WAY wrong, because it's also letting a huge amount of nitrogen and CO2 into the mix, and your welds would be so brittle it would not be funny.

      From my understanding, ozone is produced while SMAW welding, but only in peripheral amounts, and as I understand it, the chief cause of this is the high intensity ultraviolet light busting up the oxygen molecules the surrounding atmosphere. Of course, if anyone knows more about this, I'm willing to be enlightened.

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    10. Re:Sounds Like Ozone by RDW · · Score: 2, Interesting

      'The human nose can be an extremely strong tool for some individuals, perhaps this is more than just psychosomatic? It would drive me crazy to never investigate this if I were in his shoes.'

      The lunar astronauts have several theories on the (perhaps related) phenomenon of the smell of 'fresh' moondust, and seem quite interested in having this investigated further:

      http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/30jan_smellofmoondust.htm

    11. Re:Sounds Like Ozone by piojo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "perhaps this is more than just psychosomatic?"

      I would imagine so - even if somehow you were able to "smell" a complete vacuum, your own body (including the nasal passages themselves) will be giving off odors. If they are so subtle as to normally be overwhelmed by the usual natural background, that may be your first chance to detect them. Well, we get used to whatever's around. When I went backpacking for a few weeks in the desert of Utah, I stopped smelling my own B.O., but I gained the ability to smell peanut butter through two plastic bags, ten feet away. It was pretty sweet. I'm sure the same increasing sensitivity happens to astronauts who live in a mostly sterile, boring, environment.
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    12. Re:Sounds Like Ozone by servognome · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow a geek using deodorant!
      For science, not hygiene... so it's not that surprising.
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    13. Re:Sounds Like Ozone by davidsyes · · Score: 2, Funny

      Proto-Captain Garrovic(k) will impressed... as long as you don't have an "Obsession" that wastes hemoglobin

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    14. Re:Sounds Like Ozone by Digi-John · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thanks for the advice. I'll pick up a can of compressed air next time I'm out (and help get rid of that pesky atmospheric ozone in the process!).

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  3. Good news, everyone! by El+Yanqui · · Score: 5, Funny

    Professor Farnsworth already proved it with the Smell-O-Scope.

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    1. Re:Good news, everyone! by PinkyDead · · Score: 4, Funny

      And in a damning indictment of the US patent office, prior art will be established in 1000 years.

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  4. Oblig Futurama by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Funny

    Don Pettit: The guy from whom Prof Farnsworth stole the plans to the smelloscope.

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  5. smelloscope by GreatRedShark · · Score: 3, Funny

    So does this mean the Professor's smelloscope could one day be a reality? Gee, I'd hate to small Uranus.

    1. Re:smelloscope by andphi · · Score: 3, Funny

      Until, of course, the planet's name is changed to do away with the joke.

    2. Re:smelloscope by Bob-taro · · Score: 4, Funny

      Until, of course, the planet's name is changed to do away with the joke.

      Maybe in the future, Uranus and Pluto will just be referred to by the phrase, "and the rest", like the professor and Mary Anne from Gilligan's Island.

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  6. outgassing of materials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is not 'space' one smells, but the gas from materials when exposed to high vacuum.

  7. local sources... by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 4, Funny

    Professor Hubert Farnsworth: I'm afraid the Smelloscope can't locate Bender. His fragrance is too mild. It's being overwhelmed by local sources.
    [Everyone looks at Zoidberg]
    Dr. Zoidberg: Hooray! Now I'm the center of attention.

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  8. That's nothing compared to... by unbug · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...the inner space. Now that smells really weird!

  9. don't worry by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 3, Funny

    It will soon be renamed Urectum.

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    1. Re:don't worry by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wrecked him? It damned near killed him!

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  10. I hear by pedropolis · · Score: 2, Funny

    The outer rim of Uranus also has a smell. It's described variously as a musky, pungent, zesty enterprise, with a splash of sulfur, that causes dizziness and nausea.

    And now... ladies and gentlemen... Carrot Top!!!

    1. Re:I hear by Linker3000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nah, that's Austrian wine.

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  11. Huh? by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd hope our space travelers would have a skosh better grasp of physics. The vacuum of near space is darn good, certainly lower than the vapor pressure of most anything we loft into space. Experience with evacuating radio and TV tubes says you can get up to 500 cm^3 of gas out of every few square inches of metal. I would not be surprised if he's smelling the outgassing of items from our earthly spehere, not the "smell of space".

    1. Re:Huh? by edittard · · Score: 3, Funny

      Experience with evacuating radio and TV tubes says you can get up to 500 cm^3 of gas out of every few square inches of metal.
      Bravo! Not only mixing imperial and metric but areas and volume to boot!

      Sir, I take my hat off to you.
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  12. doez it haz a flavor??? by advocate_one · · Score: 2, Funny

    n/t

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    1. Re:doez it haz a flavor??? by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 3, Funny

      om nom nom nom

  13. Professor Farnsworth was right! by walterbyrd · · Score: 2, Informative
  14. Well, that makes for a good sci fi book title by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 2, Funny

    "The Sweet Smell of Space" sounds like something Heinlein would have written.

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  15. Propellants from Shuttle and Soyuz? by _bug_ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's the likelihood this smell comes from propellants used by the shuttle and soyuz? Seems to me since his only interaction with this smell is from spacesuits that have only had contact with the "air" around the outside of the ISS.

  16. Smell isn't caused by chemicals in the air by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Smell is caused by chemicals in the air triggering olfactory receptors in our sense organs and causing sense data to be interpreted by the brain as an odor.

    If you take away the sense data, the brain is still interpreting something, namely the absence of data. It could be that this odor is simply how the brain handles a null dataset.

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    1. Re:Smell isn't caused by chemicals in the air by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah. I was thinking, after reading the title of TFA, that it was the reverse/absence of smell he was detecting. Don't try this at home, but if you clean your bathroom with a too high concentration of bleach, and it starts to hurt a little... when you leave the room (house, neighborhood) to get out of that awful smell, you will notice what i believe is the "negative smell" of bleach. And if you thought bleach was bad, omg, this "smell" which is just the interpretation in reverse is really really bad. I could be wrong on this... but I was assuming my smell sensors were doing what your eyes and other sense organs do with a constant strong stimulus. You know, like when you stare at a blue wall for a while, then look at a white wall, you see the opposite of blue (orange). I forget the name of this and am out of time to look it up.

  17. Nothing like the smell on ISS by untree · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Slightly offtopic, but I've heard that the air filters on ISS only scrub harmful CO2, CO, etc., but plenty of other odors persist, making you almost vomit when you first open the hatch. Of course you get used to it after a bit, but can you imagine being one of those tourists who paid $25+ million to spend a week in a fart tank?

  18. Re:Implied Lisa? by MouseR · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, I think he means explode. You cant implode if there's negative outside pressure.

  19. obligatory 2001 by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Oh my God, it smells like stars!"

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  20. A more down to earth answer... by ms3e · · Score: 3, Informative

    While it's intellectually fanciful to believe this is the "smell of outer space", what this guy is smelling is the odor of the compressed air used to re-pressurize the airlock, or more exactly, the smell of the inside of the metalic containers and pumps for the storage of the compressed air which the air picked up when contained under pressure before being introduced into the airlock. Take a whiff of compressed air from an air compressor or air tank... hmm, smells like space (apparently).

  21. Re:Implied Lisa? by somersault · · Score: 5, Funny

    Perhaps he was implying that the OP's brain was more empty than the vastness of space

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  22. Obligatory Star Trek Reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Kirk: "How close will we come to the closest Klingon outpost if we continue on our present course."

    Chekov: "One parsec sir. Close enough to smell them."

    Spock: "That is illogical, ensign. Oders cannot travel through the vacuum of space."

    http://www.badmovies.org/tvshows/startrek/tribbles/tribbles1.wav (135 KB)

  23. Re:Implied Lisa? by somersault · · Score: 2, Funny

    Perhaps you meant to reply to my cure for constipation below - Method of curing constipation by exposure of bodily cavities to a powerful vacuum. Now that's gonna cause an asplosion.

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  24. Re:Implied Lisa? by hunterk1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    There's no such thing as negative pressure, just like there's no such thing as negative temperature or volume either...

  25. He's writing about the *Experience*, not physics by billstewart · · Score: 2, Interesting
    RTFA - it's really short, and was written in 2003, so you should have had plenty of time...


    Of course vacuum doesn't have a smell, and it's much more likely that the smell is from the way space suits react to being in vacuum than gasses wafting up from earth getting stuck on them. Or it could be from some of those funky molds that grow on the space station. But that's not really relevant, because he's not writing about physics, he's writing about the experience of being in a space-ship, and smell is one of those things that tie in to emotions and memory.


    Other astronauts have made similar comments.

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  26. Come on... by majorgoodvibes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The guy is one of the 0.001% that actually WORKS IN FREAKING SPACE. He's obviously qualified to do what he does. He wrote an innocuous little blog entry about some funny little thought that crossed his mind in the middle of WORKING IN FREAKING SPACE. It's not scientific, it's not meant to be something you reference in your term paper on "Olfactory Sensations in Vacuum or Near-Vacuum Conditions", it's not being submitted as proof that NASA needs more funding. It just is what it is.

    Someone else said this wasn't "worthy" of Slashdot. Maybe that's true but it doesn't make it stupid. It's just one of those millions of things that doesn't require enormous analysis. Blame whoever submitted it and gave it the headline.

  27. Re:Implied Lisa? by somersault · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, it was funny to me. That's a shame that that happened (and no, I didn't know about it before just now), but if you personalise every joke then you're never going to laugh at anything. Explosive diarrhea is funny (though having part of your intestine sucked out is obviously not).

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  28. Re:Implied Lisa? by doombringerltx · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't get so butt hurt over it. Oh yeah, I went there

  29. Re:Implied Lisa? by repapetilto · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's an operational definition referring to the relationship between the relative pressures of a system and its surroundings (usually atmospheric pressure). Never heard of negative volume.

  30. Diff between pilots and scientists by myvirtualid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After over 40 years in space this is the first guy to bring this up?? Hm... Smells fishy if you ask me..

    Reminds me of an anecdote from one the Apollo 17 astronauts: He noticed that moon dust smelled and wondered why no one had mentioned it before. Eventually he realized it was a cultural thing: In pilot culture, "out of the ordinary" can get you grounded, where "out of the ordinary" is what science culture is all about. And the early Apollo astronauts were all pilots, mostly test pilots.

    It only takes one curious person to open a new door and most of us don't notice the door is there, even if we pass it by every day of our lives.

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  31. Re:Implied Lisa? by provigilman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, remind me to bring that up to my bank next time I have a "negative balance". The term is just there to imply that there's a pressure differential, with the lower pressure being the "negative" one.

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