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Toshiba To Halt HD-DVD Production

Multiple users have written to tell us that Toshiba is planning to halt production of devices related to HD-DVD. According to Japanese broadcasting network NHK, Toshiba will lose "hundreds of millions of dollars" as the format war finally draws to a close. Regardless, investors are pleased that Toshiba has made the decision to cut its losses. This comes after a last-ditch price cut was unable to prevent Wal-mart from throwing their lot in with Blu-ray, although some sources suggest that Wal-mart was already aware of Toshiba's plans to withdraw from fight.

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  1. whew, fewer syllables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Blu-Ray is so much easier on the tongue than a mouthful of acronym(s).

    1. Re:whew, fewer syllables by Eivind · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nobody gives a fuck. Ok ?

      90%+ of average consumers don't have any clue whatsoever what "VHS" stands for, and couldn't care less.

      For that matter, most consumers couldn't tell you what "HD" stands for either.

    2. Re:whew, fewer syllables by ozamosi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a feature.

      Digital Versatile Disc is a backronym - DVD originally meant Digital Video Disc, until they realized how stupid the name actually was ("Yeah, this game is distributed on a video disc. But it's not really a video..."), at which point they just redefined the abbreviation. When I think about it, I realize that HD-DVD's name is just as stupid: you can have just as High Definition audio/video or interactive media on HD discs as you can on "SD discs", just not as much.

      By not having a meaning, blu-ray avoids that problem - a blu-ray disc is a disc that uses blue rays.

      I do think that CD is a good name - it tells me what it is (a disc that's quite small, compared to LP's), not what they developed it to contain. But CDSDWEMRFDTDVD (Compact Disc-sized Disc With Even More Room For Data Than Digital Versatile Discs) doesn't have such a nice ring to it... Of course, today it's more of a Big Disc, compared to Minidisc or mini-DVD, which again shows that neutral names are better.

      To finish off, let me just counter your "glory days" argument by saying "BetaMax" and "Video2000".

    3. Re:whew, fewer syllables by Metorical · · Score: 5, Informative

      [rant]

      This is not insightful, you've just made up facts, so you're forcing me to finally sign up.

      I visited Samsung back when DVD technology was still in the labs and their guys were very keen to show it off. They all referred to it as a Digital Versatile Disc. Remember at this point you couldn't buy a DVD in the stores and data DVDs became mainstream a long time after videos.

      Also for it to be a backronym then it couldn't have been an acronym beforehand. From dictionary.com:

      backronym jargon
      (Backward acronym) A word which has been turned into an acronym

      or

      n. [portmanteau of back + acronym]
      A word interpreted as an acronym that was not originally so intended.

      [/rant]

    4. Re:whew, fewer syllables by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 5, Informative

      90%+ of average consumers don't have any clue whatsoever what "VHS" stands for, and couldn't care less.
      And those who do, probably think it stands for "Video Home System" -- a backronym created by a bunch of marketing types.

      An even smaller percentage know that it actually stands for "Vertical Helical Scan," a technical acronym which describes the physical tape format and transport.
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    5. Re:whew, fewer syllables by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Informative

      And those who do, probably think it stands for "Video Home System" -- a backronym created by a bunch of marketing types.

      That's because they're right. VHS has been Video Home System for decades, probably since its consumer launch (and certainly at least soon afterward).

      The engineers might have called it "vertical helical scan", but it wasn't ever widely marketed that way.

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    6. Re:whew, fewer syllables by The+Qube · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not to burst your bubble, but Sony has won pretty much every format war:
      3.5" Floppy Disc - today's format is based on Sony design
      Compact Disc - developed by Sony and Philips
      DVD - developed by Sony and Philips
      Digital Audio Tape - de-facto standard in the music and professional audio industry
      Beta - the standard tape format in the video industry for the past 20 years

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  2. Its peace in our time! by plierhead · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is of course great news (that the war is over - nothing to do with who won), but having forked out for a Blu-Ray disc lately (running around $50 over here) I can honestly say that I wish I had not fallen for the blandishments of that sales guy who told me I should buy a smaller, but much higher definition, TV.

    If I had my buying decision over I would say after the initial technogasm brought on by seeing every hair on the actor's heads, you very quickly forget about the quality and just wish your screen was bigger. (Apparently this is a common effect.)

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  3. Re:Better luck next time by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 5, Funny

    Exactly. When will huge multinational corporations stop forcing competition down people's throats and realize that what consumers want is monopolies, lack of choice and the resulting high prices!

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  4. Sony won a format war... by beset · · Score: 5, Funny

    And in other news, satan is ice skating to work today.

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    1. Re:Sony won a format war... by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If Bluray is a Sony format, so is DVD and CD. Sony backed it strongly and presumably did a lot ofthe original development but it's not a Sony format in the same way that minidisc and Betamax were. Sony got other companies on board as part of the standards consortium.

      This might explain why it didn't fail. Companies prefer it when the standards body isn't the same organisation as their rival. There's always a risk that the standard might change specifically to favour one manufacturer.

  5. The real competition wasn't HD DVD... by Schmiggy_JK · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The real competition is DVD. HD media isn't doing terrible by any means, numbers wise it is doing better than DVD was at this time in its life cycle. However DVD sales are dominating both HD formats. And thanks to this competition prices should continue to be reasonable as HD adoption hasn't taken over yet. Thus this lone single format should be good for HD business, and for consumers.

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  6. 10 More Years of Region Locked Movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was kind of hoping HD DVD would win this one, now we'll be stuck with region locked movies for another decade till the next thing comes along.

    1. Re:10 More Years of Region Locked Movies by robosmurf · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's even worse than that: at least with DVD region-free players were available easily almost from the beginning.

      With Blu-ray, almost all Blu-ray players in existence are Playstation 3 consoles. As far as I'm aware, no one has managed a region-free version of this.

  7. Re:Better luck next time by Gerzel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They mean the same thing to a complex mind when the formats in question are both proprietary and do about the same thing.

    In this case there was competition between the formats not only in which format was "better" in terms of storage quality (not to mention archival, access speed and other properties) but also even if one format was clearly superior which was better in terms of price and availability.

    I don't think having both formats around was hurting anything as both are still in early adoption phases, most users don't have Blu-Ray or HD DVD yet and a large portion perhaps even a majority don't have the capabilities to use such formats (at least in the new abilities they provide) yet over the older standard.

    I still see this as a bad thing and perhaps the "wars" are not over at all as Hard Drives, Flash drives and other storage options are coming down in price and are able to offer similar amounts of storage. The real contender in these "wars" as I see it could be download bandwidth rather than delivery of a physical piece of media.

    In the end these media wars are good for the consumer. Take CDs for example, a format that won with relatively little competition. The way things are sold to consumers is that the new format is more expensive at first but as it takes hold and becomes dominant is prices drop to match the old cost with a margin determined by the cost of production. Music CDs are still fairly expensive and have not come down (as I believe) to a price comparable to that of Cassettes even though the older format has been more-or-less out of the market for several years now.

    For Formats it is difficult to raise prices on consumers as there is an expectation that the prices will fall over time and consumers will need a reason to pay more with the information on the format primarily being a luxury good. However that expectation works both ways as consumers expect that two items of the same format will cost about the same on average.

  8. Blu-ray Disc Association is slightly bigger by The13thSin · · Score: 5, Informative

    The current 18 board members (as of January 2008) are:

    • Apple Inc.
    • Dell Inc.
    • Hewlett-Packard Company
    • Hitachi, Ltd.
    • LG Electronics
    • Mitsubishi Electric
    • Panasonic (Matsushita Electric)
    • Pioneer Corporation
    • Royal Philips Electronics
    • Samsung Electronics
    • Sharp Corporation
    • Sony Corporation
    • Sun Microsystems
    • TDK Corporation
    • Thomson SA
    • Twentieth Century Fox
    • Walt Disney Motion Pictures Group / Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment
    • Warner Home Video Inc.

    Like the PS2 was one of the biggest DVD players in the beginning, the PS3 will be the biggest Blu-ray player... that is untill in 1 1/2 year a $100 Samsung / LG profile 2.0 Blu-ray comes on the market.

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  9. Fail... by sgant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So there should be two formats or even more out in the world to give a choice for consumers? A choice to not buy either until one format wins so they don't get left with obsolete hardware where nothing new is going to be released on?

    How about this, every studio comes up with their own format! That way, there's tons of choices for the consumer! Want to watch a Univeral or Paramount movie? You have to buy a special player to play their formats. Think of the possibilities! Think of the competition! Think of the illegal downloads because no one would want to put up with that bullshit!

    I think your analogy needs work.

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  10. PCMCIA by smittyoneeach · · Score: 5, Funny

    People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms.

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