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Courts May Revisit Software Patents

An anonymous reader writes "It looks like the courts may finally be gearing up to overturn the ruling that opened the floodgates for both software and business model patents. It's been nearly ten years since the US courts decided that business methods were patentable and that most software could be patentable — and we've all seen what's happened since then. With all the efforts to fix the patent system lately, it appears that the court that originally made that decision may be regretting it, and has agreed to hear a new case that could overturn that ruling and restore some sanity to the patent system."

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  1. Re:Hurrah! Information will be free by zarthrag · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Consumers have everything to gain from this. Nowadays it's impossible to write a gui'd "hello world" without stepping through a minefield of patents. As a small business owner, it's unreasonable and likely impossible to expect me to research every patent and pay royalties/license fees for "a piece of software that beeps when it wants the user's attention", or other things. Only large companies can afford such things, and they use it stifle competition. (What do you think MS's sabre rattling over linux has been about?)

    Any CS person will tell you that when it comes to software, there's more than one way to skin a cat - probably thousands. But software/business patents let you find one, and squash the rest.

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  2. No bets by canuck57 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    a new case that could overturn that ruling and restore some sanity to the patent system

    No bets here, lawyers enjoy the complexity and confusion too much to make this any better. Congress just needs to change the law. In a business like computers which is evolving so quickly, say a 2 year patent then it expires. And you can only sue if you produce a competing product with it and have been harmed.

    You need to stop patent trolls dead. Like RAID and bugs. Let innovation back into this business.

  3. Carefully-placed regrets by overshoot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    With all the efforts to fix the patent system lately, it appears that the court that originally made that decision may be regretting it, and has agreed to hear a new case that could overturn that ruling and restore some sanity to the patent system.
    The CAFC may not be regretting its decisions, but it's been getting some pretty blunt signals from the USSC that they are not totally pleased with what the CAFC has done while on a long break from supervision. This is one of two things:
    • A rethink to head off not only having their wrists smacked but having the USSC start reviewing their cases much more often (complete with reversals) or
    • A chance to put together a really solid and detailed ruling to give the USSC a reason to agree with them.
    We won't know which they pick until this summer.
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  4. The PTO seems to want a bright-line test by PoliTech · · Score: 4, Interesting
    As I was reading TFA I came across this comment and some interesting links:

    Apparently, the PTO seems to want a bright-line test for patent-eligible business method versus a patent-ineligible mental process.

    The discussion at oral argument might shed some light as to the reason why the CAFC voted sua sponte to take this matter en banc.

    The following dialogue occurs at 15:20 of the mp3 file obtainable at: http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/oralarguments/searchscript.asp (type Bilski for Caption)

    Judge 1: The way in which the Board . . . presented Bilski to us was with this prayer for guidance. . . . Our examiners need guidance, we need to know how to deal with this situation . . . . Let me ask you this question, Is the opinion in In Re Comiskey enough? Can your examiners now move forward? Are you satisfied in dealing with business-method patents?

    Solicitor: Not quite your honor. I say not quite because what I can foresee [are] future disputes and also potentially years of litigation over trying to find the dividing line between what would be a so-called patent-eligible business method versus a so-called patent-ineligible mental process. It just is going to create litigation issue that we dont think needs to be there.

    Judge 2: So to cut to the chase, how would you [the Office] have reformulated the test . . . for purposes of explaining both Comiskey and then extrapolating to this case? Solicitor: I think what was just discussed here page 17 [of Comiskey slip opinion, see http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/opinions/06-1286.pdf ] is a very fair recitation of what the law is where it says. . . . the Supreme Court has held that a claim reciting an algorithm or abstract idea can state statutory subject matter only if, as employed in the process, it is embodied in, operates on, transforms, or otherwise involves another class of statutory subject matter, i.e., a machine, manufacture, or composition of matter.

    Interesting stuff.

  5. Re:Math vs software by oliverthered · · Score: 4, Interesting

    in some places you can't patent drugs you can only patent the process of making them which makes much more sense.

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  6. Re:if you can't patent maths by MadJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How about just relying on 'good old' copyright to protect your code, instead of software patents?
    I know, copyright laws are also under fire, but still, I think that using patents to protect code is a cure worse than the disease. And it's too drastic and largely unnecessary.

  7. Re:It'll never happen... by ultima · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent:

    A patent is a set of exclusive rights granted by a state to an inventor or his assignee for a fixed period of time in exchange for a disclosure of an invention.

    Patents, from the beginning, were a compromise so that people who would invest in new developments would disclose the work of those developments (for public good) while being able to turn a profit from them in the short term (a motivation for inventing) through an exclusive monopoly.

    Vested interests do not write the law, for it is the individual who has the most vested interest in the government. I think you mean to say "sociopathic capitalists write the law".

    For patents to benefit society, the term of the monopoly must be greater than that required to recoup investment expenses, but shorter than the portion of an invention's life span where it is valuable to the people. In a government that exists for the benefit of the people, the shortest patent term is the most desirable. That's how our government was set up -- unfortunately, the world is more and more getting exactly what it deserves, as a few have learned that people will sell their freedom for remarkably little.

    People can't own their ideas because they were never wholly their ideas. All that we invent is the summation of all that has come before us, perhaps with something new thrown into the mix. Your ideas belong just as much to your teachers, your parents, your peers, and the generations that came before you, as they do to you. In the long term community ownership is the only system that makes sense for such a creation.

    In the short term, a man's got to eat. In the long term, society as a whole must reap the rewards for what it has sown. Only a parasite keeps that from society, and like any parasite feasting on a host, society becomes sick when that happens.

  8. Re:It'll never happen... by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The basic idea is that giving a patent-holder a limited time monopoly to profit from their inventions encourages invention. It does make sense, but the concept was formulated during an era of the solo inventor, and certainly not designed for the era of patent trolls. The system does not function terribly well now, and has encouraged a sort of arms race as large corporations build up arsenals of defensive patents, while patent trolls attempt to extort licensing fees, often based on highly questionable patents.

    Governments and the courts have utterly failed in their duty to reign this behavior in, and if they don't start soon, we're going to see the ultimate meltdown. Arms races are fundamentally unstable propositions, and at some point someone who really counts, like Microsoft, is going to pull the trigger and the whole thing is going to explode in a terrible conflagaration. At that point governments will have to do something, but only after billions of dollars are tied up in ludicrous lawsuits and the consumer is screwed in the process.

    The solutions aren't going to be easy for some, particularly those who have made a business plan out of extortion (SCO didn't invent this, after all). Patent terms need to be shortened, software and process patents need to be thrown out, and patent offices need more resources to identify bad patents and prior art.

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