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Pictorial Tour of World's Longest Linear Accelerator

Wired has a great pictorial tour of their recent visit to Stanford University's linear accelerator, the longest in the world. The accelerator has been the vehicle upon which three Nobel Prizes were earned and a the next big project will boast an electron laser roughly 10 billion times more powerful than existing x-ray sources.

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  1. I wonder by croddy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder if Man or Astro-man will come out of cryostasis to compose an ode to the new electron laser. Their song for the two-mile linear particle accelerator pretty much nailed it.

  2. A spectrum of infinite scale by Reverend528 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm tagging this songofthetwomilelinearparticleacceleratorstanforduniversity.

  3. OK, we've got -part- of it by KublaiKhan · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now, when are we going to get the moon-sized space station to put it on?

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    1. Re:OK, we've got -part- of it by moderatorrater · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you referring to the Death Star from Star Wars or from the Alan Parson's Project?

    2. Re:OK, we've got -part- of it by iluvcapra · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...I believe the Alan Parson's project was some kind of hovercraft...

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    3. Re:OK, we've got -part- of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      ... but was it full of eels?

  4. SLAC is great, but... by CompMD · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Its really a shame that SLAC just had to lay off something like 15% of their staff due to DOE budget cuts in the past couple of weeks.

    1. Re:SLAC is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well thats what happens when you mostly do "B" physics.

    2. Re:SLAC is great, but... by bcdm · · Score: 5, Informative

      125 staff members at SLAC have been let go this year (so far), and 200 projected layoffs at Fermilab by the end of the summer. Wired has the fuller scoop.

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    3. Re:SLAC is great, but... by niklask · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well thats what happens when you mostly do "B" physics. High-energy physics, like the BaBar experiment, is only a fraction of what SLAC does these days. SLAC is heavily involved in photon science and particle astrophysics.
    4. Re:SLAC is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah but from my understanding, Belle just had them beat (mainly due to that long safety related shutdown which pretty much killed BaBar's competitiveness). Coupled with CDF/D0 and soon LHCb (I'm aware the these are hadron collider experiments and are therefore more complimentary than direct competitors but still...), there just wasnt much of a physics program left that wasnt being done better elsewhere or hadnt already been measured by BaBar and Belle to great precision.

      I would be interested in hearing from some of my SLAC colleagues if I'm very much mistaken which I may be to some degree.

    5. Re:SLAC is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, it is when you consider that the money is being wasted on useless wars.

      On the other hand, given a limited overall science budget, it is doubtful to me that physics mega-projects should continue being supported in the way they have been. Biology, chemistry, math, and computer science yield a lot more useful results per dollar. Well, okay, maybe Congress found it necessary to cut $88 million out of the high energy physics budget to pay for Bush's useless wars. Sure, I could probably that.

      But if that's so, then how the hell did the same Congress find it possible to lard $19 BILLION of new earmarks (a.k.a. pork) into the budget?!?

      If they could cut back the Bridge to Nowhere and other pork by just 5%, then there would be more than enough money for SLAC, Fermilab, etc. But instead of cutting wasteful pork by only 5%, they choose to cut high energy physics much deeper and sell out the future of science in the US.
  5. Superconducting Supercollider by Snakefoot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Too bad the Superconducting Supercollider project http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_Super_Collider went bust. 'Twould have been glorious.

  6. MUCH better than the CERN tour... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...which merely leaves you going in circles.

    Though I suspect the taxi driver was padding the fare.

  7. Man, those budget cuts are rough. by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Funny

    I mean, that whole pictorial is just screen captures from Halflife.

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  8. Take that, Berkeley! by gillbates · · Score: 2, Funny

    Our accelerator is longer.

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  9. Re:Not a dupe per se... by eecue · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yeah that was also an interesting article, my photo editor pointed it out to me after we had wrapped up the captioning process. I think we saw a somewhat different side of SLAC (although we got the klystron gallery shot of course)

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  10. though pointless by Programmer_In_Traini · · Score: 3, Funny

    although it is pointless, i cant resist the urge to mention this would make a perfect death ray machine in a james bond movie.

    I'm also pretty sure it would make a cooler death ray than a linear accelerator, which, when you look at it, serves no purpose in world domination.

    lastly but not least, the controls looks like the computers salvaged from the "2001 - a space odyssey" mission.

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  11. Bong? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ladies and gentalmen, I give you the worlds most advanced bong...

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    1. Re:Bong? by Prefader · · Score: 2, Funny

      Score:4, Interesting?! The mods must be hi . . . oh.

  12. Microwave ovens do *NOT* have a klystron inside. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Picture 8 has a description that starts with: "Your microwave oven has a klystron inside" which is wrong. All modern microwave ovens have a cavity magnetron inside not a klystron.

  13. Crazy tag by Yoweigh116 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    What is up with this crazy tag attached to the story?

    songofthetwomilelinearparticleacceleratorstanforduniversity Doesn't it defeat the purpose of a tagging system entirely if every article has unique tags?
    1. Re:Crazy tag by treeves · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not unique - there's always the dupes!

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  14. Working at SLAC by c0d3r · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I worked at slac for some 6 months and i remember them telling me they solved the big bang during the interview and they could see sub atomic particles visually. It was a pretty cool place, with posters from the 60's all over the place that had been there since the 60's. I actually worked with the guy who made the first cgi-script web page and he was telling me about mosaic how you had to cut and paste the link into the location adress instead of clicking on it. There was also a very weird office with all kinds of interesting old posters and I remember a book titled "quantum mechanics" by messiah. They also had a room labeled "Retire" that had a bed in it for taking naps, of which I did utilize. Seems as if they fill up an oracle grid cluster full of data from the detectors and mine the data to figure out how it all works. They were the slowest most laid back people I've ever seen. Just getting a white board installed was a long process that went through the carpentry department. I found it interesting how the buildings are laided out as the computing center is between the cooling tower and cryogenics. When they were upgrading the hvac systems the computing center looked like one big computer with huge manual fans at each entrance and we weren't allowed to move fans without the permission of the HVAC people. Also we'd always seem to know when power outages were going to happen ahead of time. I think SLAC uses more of California's power than anywhere else (some 1/16 or more) and they have the fastest interntet connection in the world, but at the desktop its a slow 10MB.
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    1. Re:Working at SLAC by arminw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      .......Also we'd always seem to know when power outages were going to happen ahead of time........

      That's because the computer building is fed from the same beam switchyard power substation. Often when the large power supplies that ran the big magnets needed maintenance or reconfiguring for new experiments, they had to kill the feed to that substation.

      On hot summer days, the accelerator was often shut down, so the silicon valley air conditioners could still run. I believe the wind tunnels at NASA/Ames in Mt. View could suck up more peak power, but SLAC was definitely champion in the number of megawatt hours consumed because it ran many more hours.

      I still remember the day TWO big semi-trucks came and we all watched them haul the IBM 90 mainframe to the recycling center. They then had 370s to take their place. Now, an iPhone has more computing capability.

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  15. Poor Johnny! by DoctorSVD · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Am I the only one who feels that the authors treated Johnny on a callous and cruel manner?

  16. Richard Feynman Was There by jmichaelg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Feynman used to visit his sister in neighboring Palo Alto. He dropped by SLAC one day, "just to snoop around" and by chance, was shown a graph that no one quite knew what to make of. It was somewhat bell-shaped but the parameters that had gone into its construction were obscure - the only one who had a good handle on it was Bjorken and few were smart enough to understand what he was saying. Besides, he was just a grad student speaking in terms of current algebra, a language few understood at the time. The experimenters were hoping Feynman could explain the graph's significance.

    Feynman looked at the curve, went back to his motel for the night and came back the next day thoroughly excited because he'd deciphered the curve. The curve was showing the momentum transfer that occurred when the electrons coming out of the accelerator slammed into the quarks at the atom's core. He described the point-like quarks as looking like slow moving pancakes due to the electron's relativistic speed.

    That accidental encounter broke a mental logjam at SLAC and enabled them to get a handle on what their new machine was producing - evidence that the quark was real. Up until that point, most of them had been in Murray Gellman's thrall. Gellman had insisted that quarks were mathematical scaffolding that didn't have any physical counterparts. Feynman's insight at SLAC proved otherwise and gave the experimenters mental hooks that enabled them to figure out what was going on with their machine.

    Feynman later said the Bjorken and he were saying the same thing - he had just chosen different words to express the idea.

    1. Re:Richard Feynman Was There by Guy+Harris · · Score: 2, Informative

      For the benefit of those who think "Dolly" when they hear "Parton", the parent artice is presumably talking about the parton model, devised by Feynman to explain some high-energy collision results; as the article says, eventually the partons Feynman talked about were identified with the quarks that Gell-Mann and Zweig proposed, and the gluons that bind them together in hardons^Whadrons. (Oh, and "Bjorken" is James Bjorken.)

  17. Weird Tags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    [+] science, technology, lookicanmakemytaglongerthananyotheraslongasitypeuptothelimit, itssodanotpop, songofthetwomilelinearparticleacceleratorstanforduniversity (tagging beta)

    Do I have to submit a few stories as "I Don't Believe in Ridiculous Tags" to make a point, or will this behavior self-correct before then?

  18. A few corrections... by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Scientists at the Stanford Linear Accelerator...are currently amassing the first scientific evidence that there is more matter than antimatter in the universe

    That is just plain wrong. They are studying CP violation which is the difference between matter and anti-matter this might help to explain the huge excess of matter over antimatter that astronomers already observe in the Universe but it is known the the effects we understand today with B and K mesons (which is what they are studying) cannot explain it by itself.

    Secondly they are NOT the first to observe CP violation by a long shot. It was first discovered in Kaons by Christenson, Cronin, Fitch and Turlay at Brookhaven in 1964 a discovery for which they won the Nobel prize.

  19. Re:Microwave ovens do *NOT* have a klystron inside by arminw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ......a cavity magnetron inside not a klystron......

    Indeed correct, but each these klystrons has a large magnet associated with it. Also, there are only about 400 of them, not 4000 as in the article. SLAC never did much with protons, as was stated, but accelerates and collides anti-electrons, commonly called positrons with electrons. In the beginning, the electrons however were all directed against fixed targets.

    The accelerator is perfectly STRAIGHT but not level. The injector end is about 50 feet higher than the target end. So, the Klystron Gallery does have a slope also.

    I was there in the group at the ground breaking. Starting down on the Stanford University campus, I participated in the design and construction of power and control systems for magnets in the beam switch yard. We all had big celebration in 1967, upon getting an electron beam all the way through that 3/4 inch 2 mile long hole in that copper pipe. Sigh.... those were the days.....

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  20. Re:Scientists and cable management? by arminw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    .....wires and tubes left dragging everywhere.........

    Keep in mind that these are short term experiments, not long term, installations. The more permanent parts of the accelerator itself are much more orderly, just as in a good data center.

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