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Scientology Given Direct Access To eBay Database

An anonymous reader writes "The Church of Scientology can delete auctions from eBay with no supervision under the VeRO program, and has used this to delete all resale of the e-meters Scientologists use. This is to stop members from buying used units from ex-members instead of buying from the official (and very expensive) source. Given Scientology's record of fraud and abuse, should eBay give them this level of trust? Will this set a precedent for other companies that want to stop the aftermarket resale of their products?"

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  1. Off topic, yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Shawn Lonsdale, whose one-man crusade against Scientology made him a public enemy of the church, was found dead at his home over the weekend in an apparent suicide. He was 39."

    http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/lonsdale1.html

    That's pretty sad.

  2. Re:Is this legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm an eBay PowerSeller, and I can tell you that it's rampant. eBay's "VeRO" program is regularly abused by liars who have no right to interfere in aftermarket sales of their products, gambling on the fact that you won't file in federal court to contest their "good faith" declarations.

  3. Re:easy answer -or- +5 insightful by Wuhao · · Score: 5, Informative

    If that's "+5 Insightful" around here these day, then I want a piece of the action: 1 + 1 = 2. This profound result is equally surprising.

  4. Re:short answer by AoT · · Score: 5, Informative
    eBay explains here why they do it. I would guess that it's easier for them(read: costs less money) to simply let the companies do the work of deleting auctions, rather than have the company call or email eBay every time they want something taken down.

    I especially love their section on how things won't be mistakenly removed:

    How eBay helps to ensure that listings aren't mistakenly removed. A rights owner reporting through VeRO must be registered through VeRO before reporting items to us. Rights owners sign legally binding documents when reporting items to eBay. Ooooh! Legal binding documents, I feel so safe.
  5. Re:My guess is... by KublaiKhan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Germany, especially, which is launching an investigation into their practices.

    You may be interested in the phenomenon of Anonymous--a sort of movement that has coalesced to fight against the abuses of the Church of Scientology.

    Interestingly, the 'official' position (if so nebulous a thing can have anything 'official') is not that the -religion- of scientology is wrong and evil, but that the -organization- that calls itself the 'Church of Scientology' does not deserve tax exemption, recognition as a church, etc.

    I've been keeping track of Anonymous for some time--they seem to be the origin of many of the various memes that end up getting popular, so they seem to work well as a sort of miner's canary when discerning the opinion of the internet in general. This is, to my knowledge, the first time that this particular phenomenon has occurred--an internet movement that has had significant international effect in the real world. What makes it even more interesting is that it -has no leaders-. Somehow, out of total anarchy, it's managed to coalesce a sort of identity to itself, and has directed attention towards a single goal.

    At any rate, it appears that as a followup to the February 10th protests (which were remarkable in themselves in that they were entirely without violence and none of the protesters in any of the countries were arrested--that has to be a first, in a protest of that scope) there are another series of protests being planned for March 15th--sort of a "Happy Birthday" to Hubbard, whose birthday was apparently March 13th and not conveniently on a Saturday this year. I've also heard some mention of plans for April, but not being an Anon, I don't know the details.

    IIRC, one of the Anonymous-sponsored websites is youfoundthecard.com; it's worth looking into.

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  6. Re:yet again the religous twats get too much say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    You shouldn't talk of things about which you are ignorant.

    There almost certainly was a historical Buddha. There is far more evidence for this, from independent sources, than for (e.g.) Socrates.

    And FYI, the Buddha never said he was anything but a normal man. In fact, he stated again and again that he was just that -- not some kind of a God or superbeing.

  7. Re:Don't tell Chef but by Neo_piper · · Score: 5, Informative
  8. Re:Don't tell Chef but by snowraver1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to Wiki, It IS a variant of a Wheatstone Bridge, and was not built by Hubbard himself (even though he owned the patent for the device), but rather by one of the members of the church (presumably a higher ranking member). The meter was then given to Hubbard, who went on to patent it.

    Read the wiki linked to in the article summary. Very Interesting.

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  9. Re:Head Shops & E-Meters by spun · · Score: 5, Informative

    What is your problem? The Fishman Affidavit is a court document, that's not a good enough cite for you that L. Ron Hubbard actually said that Jesus likes little boys? Or did you not bother to read (or not comprehend) the website and assumed the poster was bashing your favorite fairy tale?

    Let me be perfectly clear then: Scientology makes the claim, in their official religious literature, that Jesus was a homosexual pedophile. That is backed up by court records.

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  10. Re:yet again the religous twats get too much say by eclectic4 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Correct.

    And things like rising from an untimely death after being nailed to a cross (or tree) three days after dying (and then celebrating), having a last supper, being born of a virgin, being the son of a god, etc... were all prevalent beliefs of pagan mythology at the time of and well before Jesus. A guy who had these "myths" thrown upon his name decades after he was dead in order to start a religion.

    People forget that the history of most religions are far more "earth-bound" than they like to realize...

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