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Increased US Broadband Adoption Could Create 2.4 Million Jobs

Ward D points out a story about a recent study that predicts significant economic growth through increased broadband adoption in the U.S. The study is based on a program in Kentucky that has, through the increased use of broadband, "saved an average of more than $200 per person per year" on health-care services, and decreased the average amount of time residents spent driving by 100 hours per month. From Computerworld: "The Connected Nation model ... focuses more on broadband adoption and local needs than huge, government-funded programs. Several Kentucky businesses have benefited from the increased access, according to Connected Nation. Geek Squad, the Best Buy subsidiary, moved its headquarters to Bullitt County, Kentucky, in late 2006 because of the broadband availability."

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  1. Nice idea, but possibly dubious math by postbigbang · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A few lucky economic development wins doesn't constitute rapid job growth. I'm glad people shop online and glad they save fuel. But so far, no one has shown direct, only indirect benefits..... not job creation (save for nebulous 'tech' jobs) or anything else than infrastructure maintenance positions (truck rollers, moles, linemen, and so forth). It would be nice if there could be an easier quid pro quo data set that motivated communities (and not to get in bed with telcos without titanium strings attached to the deals). Look at the problems with muni-wifi, the failures of WiMAX, and the sheer dominance of the telcos. Community networking is in a sad state, and this study, sadly, doesn't help.

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    1. Re:Nice idea, but possibly dubious math by webmaster404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Think of it this way. Its very hard to run an online business on dial up. The more broadband we have here in the US the faster tech jobs will grow because people can actually use the internet. For example, downloading Linux ISOs, on a decent connection it might take an hour at the most, with dial up that could take days. Also dial-up users are less likely to download programs because a good sized program may take 10 minutes on dial up but take a few seconds on broadband. This is by far good news for Linux people and to people wanting more tech jobs.

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    2. Re:Nice idea, but possibly dubious math by schnikies79 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I live in a red state (very southern Indiana, and in a very rural area) and hicks or not, they are not dumb rednecks, nor is my community bigoted. Everyone gets along quite well thank you. If you know anything about Indiana, you would know there is a large push to get hi-tech industry here (by a republican governor, oh my gosh), and it's working.

      Personally, I don't work in IT and have no desire what-so-ever to be in that line of work (I'm a chemist), but plenty of people are. I'm sorry that you don't like the Midwest, but your stereotypes are just plain wrong. Don't think for a second there is no hi-tech work or expertise.

      From my experience, the IT folks are usually the anti-social type and really aren't that fun to be around.

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    3. Re:Nice idea, but possibly dubious math by palegray.net · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Where as the reality is, company deploy computer systems and make use of the internet to make productivity savings. You know, the advent of the assembly line marked a new era of cost savings in manufacturing, but it also opened up a lot of jobs for engineers and other workers. It's the nature of progress; adapt or die. Nobody has an inherent right to a job, but it is everyone's personal responsibility to take steps to make sure their skills stay relevant. If a particular skill becomes obsolete or subject to significantly less demand, the burden lies on the individual to find another way to make himself economically valuable.
    4. Re:Nice idea, but possibly dubious math by DM9290 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Where as the reality is, company deploy computer systems and make use of the internet to make productivity savings. You know, the advent of the assembly line marked a new era of cost savings in manufacturing, but it also opened up a lot of jobs for engineers and other workers. It's the nature of progress; adapt or die. Nobody has an inherent right to a job, but it is everyone's personal responsibility to take steps to make sure their skills stay relevant. If a particular skill becomes obsolete or subject to significantly less demand, the burden lies on the individual to find another way to make himself economically valuable. when you say "cost savings" what you mean is "the boss/lord can now throw a bunch of people off his land".

      Don't all living things have an inherent right to to take what they need from the environment in order to survive and reproduce?

      Imagine if a king, upon discovering a method of "Cost savings" decided to throw his surplus subjects into the ocean? He decries "there is no inherent RIGHT to be my subject and leech off my *MY* kingdom. The burden is on you to make yourself useful to me! Don't come back until you are useful."

      As a property owner, you are merely a manager of wealth. there is nothing NATURAL that makes any wealth the exclusive property of a single being to enjoy. All the wealth of the world is naturally commonly shared by all the life of the world.

      If you have taken it upon yourself to be "wealthy" then you have a duty to manage that wealth in a way that benefits all. and you have a moral duty for the welfare of your employees. you can tell yourself its ok to just 'let them go free'. But you dictated their level of education while they worked for you, by controlling the amount of free time they have and their work conditions. If you expect them to have skills for future occupations.. you must provide those skills.. otherwise you are a dictator and a tyrant and have no right to complain when the workers revolt and take the means of their survival into their own hands (and perhaps take your head in the bargain).

      In general, all employers conspire to minimize the education and marketability of their workers. employers don't want mobile workers because such workers cost the most money. And any skills they posssess that don't go to their job, actually reduce their productivity. The wealthy may enjoy their lavish lifestyles, but it comes with a MORAL DUTY to the rest of mankind. A leader has a duty to his followers. You can't cut them loose in any natural kind of social relationship.

      Some of the better monarchs in history understood this. In capitalism we have created a class of petty dictators that want all the benefits of monarchy but none of the responsibilities of leadership.

      And then a bunch of wannabe petty dictators who go around blathering about now 'natural' and 'inherent' it all is.
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  2. Increased US Broadband Adoption Could Create by falconwolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    2.4 million jobs.

    And what jobs are those? TFA doesn't say. Sure some temporary jobs would be created to build the infrastructure and a few more permanent jobs will be created to maintain it but what other jobs will be created? /.'s title is a bad one as TFA is more about money saved not jobs created.

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    1. Re:Increased US Broadband Adoption Could Create by n6kuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > > Increased US Broadband Adoption Could Create 2.4 Million Jobs
      > ...in tech support.
      ... In India.

      > There. Fixed that for you.

      Still had a bug.

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  3. Re:Useless statistical models by superpulpsicle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Useless is right. Service based economy is the last thing we are. Try going to a restaurant there is no waitor/waitresses most of the time. Try calling tech support the wait time on average 10 minutes if you are lucky. Anything having to do with services doesn't pay well. People are not attracted to building a career off low paying jobs. Nobody wants to do it.

  4. "decreased the average amount of time..." by Ferzerp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "decreased the average amount of time residents spent driving by 100 hours per month"

    Huh? The average resident now drives 3 hours less per day? Is everyone in KY a truck driver or something?

  5. ...$200 Billion...nothing delivered...no consequen by distantbody · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some might think 'what's done is done, it's in the past, it was done a decade ago'. Surely someone is keeping this issue alive because, even with all the time that has since past, there is still a huge public interest that needs to be served by ripping that money back, by whatever means necessary, to send the message that: 'for all of our belief in contractual agreements, and for all of our corrupt, lazy and intimidated politicians and government; no-one so vastly screws with our hard-earned money and future prosperity and gets away with it, regardless of whether it was committed a year ago, ten years ago, or whether the contract set performance penalties or not' I want to see the looks on the executives and senators faces who, long thinking they had got away with it, all-of-a-sudden get the f**k charged out of them. Someone needs to keep this issue alive.

  6. Think of it this way. by falconwolf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Its very hard to run an online business on dial up.

    Ah but what businesses, and jobs, will be created? TFA says 2.4 million jobs will be created but it does not name 1 job. All it is really about is money saved and not jobs created. Then again the study itself does not say what jobs wll be created.

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    1. Re:Think of it this way. by Cornelius+the+Great · · Score: 3, Funny

      2.4 million jobs would include more domain squatters, spyware/adware authors, Nigerian scam artists, and V!4gr4 spammers.

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  7. the rest of the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is a tech related jobs article which seems to have been accidentally truncated.

    Increased US Broadband Adoption Could Create 2.4 Million Jobs in India

    fixed

  8. Opportunity cost by homer_s · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whenever some one proposes a great govt. undertaking that will "create jobs"*, ask yourself what the opportunity cost is - in other words, what use would the money have been put to had it not been taken away and invested somewhere else.

    *The challenge is not to create jobs, but to create wealth. If the govt.just wants to create jobs, they can hire a million goons to destroy stuff and hire another million people to rebuild stuff - boom, 2 million jobs created.

    1. Re:Opportunity cost by shadwstalkr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the govt.just wants to create jobs, they can hire a million goons to destroy stuff and hire another million people to rebuild stuff - boom, 2 million jobs created.

      Apparently you don't keep up with the news.

  9. Re:Hrm. Geek Squad in Kentucky by CSMatt · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've always wondered why a group of people that bite off heads of chickens for the amusement of others would organize themselves into a squad. Knowing their location, it all makes sense now.

  10. They don't explain what they mean by broadband by grandpa-geek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From their document, this looks like a front for the cable industry and the telcos who are peddling what they call broadband. Their "broadband" is really at dumbed down legacy speeds compared to what other countries in the world are doing.

    Real broadband is gigabit speed, bi-directional, to homes and small businesses. It allows every subscriber to become a content provider. The cable industry sees itself as being part of the entertainment industry, and the telcos would like to join the broadband-as-entertainment model. Real broadband scares the entertainment industry because they see it as a challenge to their business model.

    The economic impact of real broadband would be immense. I like to analogize the comparison of legacy broadband to real broadband as the difference between animal power and engine power. If one horsepower is a fundamental limit, innovators will try to work out ways of getting two horses to work together. If power comes from engines, innovation goes to a much higher level. Innovators in countries with with real broadband can conceive ideas that American innovators can't even imagine.

    The sponsors of this report are pushing legislation. I would urge people to examine the legislation to see how it defines broadband. If it doesn't talk about gigabit to the home, it is part of the trend in which the US is becoming a third world telecommunications country to protect entertainment business models.

    1. Re:They don't explain what they mean by broadband by kamapuaa · · Score: 3, Interesting
      In Japan, very fast broadband is common, but online shopping is much less popular in Japan than in the US, and in fact Japanese people are more likely to use their cell phones to browse the Internet than their broadband connections - mostly for chatting, which could easily be done on a 2400 baud modem. The Japanese software industry sucks, their economy has been in an 18 year rut...

      Just saying "the economic impact of real broadband would be immense" isn't enough. What would be the economic impact? You vaguely mention "people becoming content providers", but isn't Youtube a better model than running your own server off broadband for this? Why is Youtube popular in Japan? And why haven't amazing new business models been developed in nations that do have near-universal broadband?

      Anyway, generally speaking, broadband is easily and widely available in the US as long as you live in an urban or semi-populated area. Any business model would revolve around them, not people in the countryside or people who just haven't bothered upgrading from AOL, because it's good enough for e-mail.

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  11. Re:Wireless by The+Orange+Mage · · Score: 3, Funny

    Are you saying a 128k connection should be enough for anybody?

  12. In other news by bagsc · · Score: 3, Informative

    Infrastructure reduces costs. Reduced costs increase consumption, which increases jobs. The question is not whether the infrastructure is beneficial (it is), but whether it is the best use of money given the risks. Of course AT&T thinks the government paying for their broadband network is good for the world.

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  13. Re:How much did these people drive before? by QuantumRiff · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, I can almost believe this. I live in a small town, out in the middle of no-where. You know, Rural. If I want anything other than a Wal-Mart or Homedepot, I have to drive 70 miles over a mountain range. If the pass is nasty (and in the winter it is) I have to drive 120 miles north. Of course, groceries and other necessary items are in my town, but other things aren't. Internet shopping has saved me many trips. Not many small towns have places that specialize in "big and tall" I'm 6'5, with size 15 foot. Clothes and shoe shopping used to be pain, involving day long trips, to hit the other towns. Definitely not 100 hours a month, but a few thousand miles a year.

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  14. Should say miles, not hours by AlpineR · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the report:

    In the 2007 ConnectKentucky residential survey, 66% of broadband users report driving an average of 102 fewer miles per month because of their online activity.

    The error is in the Computerworld article which misstates:

    [R]esidents there drove more than 100 fewer hours per month because of transactions done online.
    1. Re:Should say miles, not hours by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's lies, damned lies, and statistics.

      66% of broadband users report driving an average of 102 fewer miles per month
      This tells us nothing. if the other 34% drove 200 more miles per month ( 50 miles/week - for example, to look at stuff they found on cragislist, or to meet people they chatted with online) then there are zero savings in driving distances. The fact that they didn't give an overall figure shows they cherry-picked, and the real savings is more like 25 miles/month overall.

      Another bogus claim:

      $35 billion in value from 3.8 billion hours saved per year from accessing broadband at home
      WTF is that supposed to mean? That people will suddenly be saving $9.50 /hr for every hour they surf the net form home? That's not my experience. Or maybe they're trying to claim that, if people can access the tubes from home, they won't at work ... saving their employers $35 billion. Guess they didn't see the studies that showed 70% of all porn is accessed from work ...

      The "study" is bogus. Its an attempt from the telcos to get more "incentives" from the government.

  15. Jobs going fast! Sign up now! Only 2.3 mln left! by prostoalex · · Score: 4, Funny

    Top jobs created by broadband adoption:

    1) Comcast traffic filterer
    2) MPAA P2P network monitor
    3) DMCA takedown notices writer
    4) RIAA fake torrent uploader
    5) Botnet senior manager
    6) Senior wiretap installer

  16. broadband vs. green tech by heroine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For all the trillions of dollars pouring into alternative fuels, hybrid cars, & transportation taxes, all it would take to solve most of this problem is willingness to let workers telecommute.

    It's like living in a parallel universe where we sit in traffic 10 hours a week & spend half our income getting to work with all these unused internet cables sitting just a few feet away.

  17. Re:Wireless by simpl3x · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh no, but 640 should be!

  18. Re:Hrm. Geek Squad in Kentucky by omeomi · · Score: 3, Funny

    Broadband adoption in the US will really take off only when Hollywood celebrities begin adopting a lot of broadband from Africa. Then it will be all the rage.