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Blackboard Wins Patent Suit Against Desire2Learn

edremy writes "Blackboard, the dominant learning management system (LMS) maker, has won its initial suit against Desire2Learn. Blackboard gets $3.1 million and can demand that Desire2Learn stop US sales. (We discussed Blackboard when the patent was issued in 2006) This blog provides background on the suit. Blackboard has been granted a patent that covers a single person having multiple roles in an LMS: for example, a TA might be a student in one class and an instructor in another. You wouldn't think something this obvious could even be patented, but so far it's been a very effective weapon for Blackboard, badly hurting Desire2Learn and generating a huge amount of worry for the few remaining commercial LMSs that Blackboard has not already bought, and open source solutions such as Moodle (Blackboard's pledge not to attack such providers notwithstanding)."

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  1. Yes... That's What America Needs... by Wandering+Wombat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    More obstacles between people, and learning.

    This one particular line almost made me vomit from my eyeballs: You wouldn't think something this obvious could even be patented, but so far it's been a very effective weapon for Blackboard, badly hurting Desire2Learn... Semantics notwithstanding, is it really even slightly plausible that a company focused on education would want to crush anyone else attempting to teach people?

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    1. Re:Yes... That's What America Needs... by XaXXon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A company focused on MAKING MONEY via education wants to crush anyone else attempting to compete with them via teaching people

  2. Once Again by pembo13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Patents assisting innovation, just like they were intended for.

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  3. This is standard Database Stuff by MrSteveSD · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've seen "multiple role" examples in various database books going way back. It's not rocket science. This patent is just taking a basic concept and saying that it a narrower context than the general example, it's patentable. It's like saying you can't have a headteacher object inheriting all the features of the basic teacher object in a teaching application, because we have patented the idea.

    What other general concepts shall we patent in narrower contexts? How about patenting the basic concept of parent child relationships in Cinema Seat allocation software. It could get quite ridiculous.

  4. Why patent laws needs to change ... NOW by Sepiraph · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We can be digested by all ridiculous patent stories on slashdot and yet we can still laugh at them becuase most of the time we are not directly affected by it. However, as ridiculous and terrible as most software and business patents are, they will be NOTHING compared to the next big trend in patents--genetics/DNA engineering. When some soulless companies in the future robbed people of a cure for a genetic diease because somehow they claim to 'invent' it, I bet most of us won't be laughing.

    Patent reforms need to start NOW, or else it'd be too late and by then we (the general populace) would be too powerless to stop it.

  5. They didn't patent the crapness by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 5, Insightful
    They did not patent the crap execution of the idea, just the idea itself.

    Here's a place where patents really suck: a good idea gets sat on and cannot be used by people would could make into something good.

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    1. Re:They didn't patent the crapness by MrSteveSD · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Off the top of my head I can think of many basic design patterns you could put to use in Learning Management Software (LMS). You would quickly identify many of them in a day or so, given the task of designing a system. In fact you could just go through the classic book "Design Patterns" and the applications of the patterns to LMS will probably just leap off the page. If you were to patent a few of these basic concepts in the specific area of LMS, it could totally prevent development of other competing systems or force them to use really weird and non-intuitive constructs.

      The patenting of basic ideas when applied to specific problem domains massively threatens open source, small software houses and innovation in general. These patents have to be killed ASAP.

    2. Re:They didn't patent the crapness by kcbrown · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They did not patent the crap execution of the idea, just the idea itself.

      And this is why the patent should be thrown out.

      Patents were intended to give the patentholder exclusive control over the use of a method for a limited period of time. Methods can cover a lot, but in the end they should be specific. In the Olde Days, patent applicants were required to submit prototypes of their inventions.

      If the end result of the patent is to fence off a concept and not an implementation, then the patent itself is, I think, invalid.

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    3. Re:They didn't patent the crapness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The main issue with that is that software is the art of abstraction. By its very nature, the higher a level a language you're writing your software in, the closer it is to just telling the computer the "idea" rather than the "method" - these days, you don't tell the computer how to bit blit every pixel onto a framebuffer, you tell the OS to open a window.

      Personally, I believe patents (not just software patents) shouldn't exist full stop (due to both economic and ethical reasons I won't go into here), but software is exceptionally problematic due to its nature - IF you allow patents on software, it is _necessary_ that patents be on the "idea" at some level, because idea/method is not a dichotomy in software, it's a spectrum.

    4. Re:They didn't patent the crapness by billcopc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Worse still, is that when this heinous company eventually fails and vanishes, some half-bred law firm will snap up the patents and continue terrorizing the industry with spastic threats and baseless royalty fees.

      Software patents and those who thrive upon them must be exterminated from society, progress is infinitely more important than money.

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  6. They do not always win... by Dr_Ish · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A few years back, we had Blackboard on our campus. It was horrible and I refused to use it [Techie aside: Take a look at some of their JavaScript, it is bloated and beyond ugly]. However, someone persuaded the students that Blackboard was a wonderful thing. So much so, that their organizations petitioned the administration to make Blackboard mandatory for all classes. I don't know if the student leaders were bribed, but it would not surprise me -- it is sad to say how easily some people can be bought for the price of a couple of pizzas.

    The students proposed a 'Blackboard is mandatory' motion that went through all the relevant committees. Fortunately, the Faculty Senate were rational enough to amend the motion to advocate not just Blackboard, but also 'equivalent technologies'. This left the way open for people to even use simple web pages.

    Then the next thing you know is that Blackboard suddenly wanted a HUGE amount of money for the new version -- much more money than we could ever afford. The techs basically told them to go to hell, kept on using the older version while they could and began to experiment with Moodle. As one of of the more technically sophisticated people on our campus, I was one of the beta-testers for our Moodle implementation. It is always a fun job trying to break software! Although early versions of the implementation had quite a few rough edges, pretty soon, Moodle was up and running in a slick manner. Thus, for a short time, we actually had both versions. Also during this period, negotiations with Blackboard continued, largely without much progress. Eventually their greed was too much. Blackboard was just scrapped. It was not just the cost of the software, but also the hardware requirements that were ridiculous, which killed the system for us. We have now moved entirely to Moodle, which is doing very well, even if a few people were initially unhappy about the change. Hopefully, more schools will be inspired by the predatory nature of the Blackboard people to get that monkey off their collective backs.

    In a final irony, just before the decision was made to pull the plug on Blackboard was made, one of my students demonstrated to me a method by which he could crack Blackboard and change the grades of assignments with relative ease. The main point here though is that behaving like bastards can ultimately have a business cost. I say to hell with Blackboard, support Moodle instead -- after all, it is open source!

    1. Re:They do not always win... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I worked for several years at a company which produced a competing LMS, aimed more at the K-12 market than post-secondary. I can say two things about the educational software market:

      1) It takes an unbelievable amount of time and money to sell something to a school board or university. Like, at least a year and many thousands of dollars in expenses even for the most insignificant sale.
      2) Once you have a customer, you have to make that money back by milking them for years before you turn a profit.

      Educational software sucks. It sucks because its users are not the people who decide what to buy, and their needs or desires are definitely not at the top of the list when the bureaucrats make the decision on what to buy. It has to be incredibly expensive because selling it to those bureaucrats is incredibly expensive.

      Blackboard sucks to use. Everyone knows that. But it is perfectly tuned to make money in its niche.

    2. Re:They do not always win... by cvd6262 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      However, someone persuaded the students that Blackboard was a wonderful thing. So much so, that their organizations petitioned the administration to make Blackboard mandatory for all classes.

      Blackboard's licensing fees are usually per-faculty, rather than per student, or flat size-of-institution-based. So, a VP of IT, CTO, etc., has a hard time justifying the purchase to trustees when only 20% of the faculty uses it.

      I don't know your institution's case, but most of the time, mandating use of Blackboard is an attempt by higher-ups to justify its high cost.

      I knew a graduate student who was Oracle certified and got SELECT access to the Blackboard DB at his school. He wrote his thesis in educational technology on how most courses that were "using" Blackboard were only using it to post syllabi and other mundane documents, mainly so departments could shift printing costs to the students. In other words, the bulk of the work Blackboard was doing could be done much more efficiently by free (or low-cost commercial) software.

      No one in the administration listened to him.

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  7. .edu loses, .com wins by aricusmaximus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, my prediction back in 2006 was way off.

    Prior art was out there (including from the company I worked for), but neither Desire2Learn nor the educational community provided enough organizational will and competence to find it and kill this patent lawsuit. I personally spent hours of my time gathering prior art evidence as well as soliciting teachers and developers to help fight this. After tepid responses from both sides (including a form-letter sent one month later from Desire2Learn), I shrugged and walked away.

    Hopefully this doesn't affect open source LMSes such as Moodle or Sakai, but if it does then the EDU community has only itself to blame for not stepping up to the plate.

  8. Re:As a blackboard victim/user..... by moosesocks · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I worked in College IT for a time, and we hated it too.

    Problem is, that sort of purchasing decision almost always gets made much higher up, or even at the state level. That's also why you also see SunGard/Banner all over the place.

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  9. Re:As a blackboard victim/user..... by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When I went to university, all we had was the Professors webspace. And we liked it. Do we really need anything more complicated? Or is this a solution in search of a problem? A lot of professors I had didn't even use the webspace. We seemed to do fine without it.

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