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Researchers Transmit Optical Data at 16.4 Tbps 2550km

Stony Stevenson writes "The goal of 100 Gbps Ethernet transmission is closer to reality with the announcement Wednesday that Alcatel-Lucent researchers have recorded an optical transmission record along with three photonic integrated circuits. Carried out by researchers in Bell Labs in Villarceaux, France, the successful transmission of 16.4 Tbps of optical data over 2,550 km was assisted by Alcatel's Thales' III-V Lab and Kylia, an optical solution company. The researchers utilized 164 wavelength-division multiplexed channels modulated at 100-Gbps in the effort."

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  1. Translation please? by davidwr · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's that in Library-of-Congresses per fortnight?

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    1. Re:Translation please? by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is that a laden European or African library of congress?

    2. Re:Translation please? by pizzutz · · Score: 2, Informative

      I calculate roughly 248,000 Library of Congresses per fortnight.

      Curse my geeky genes for making me calculate that when you asked.

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    3. Re:Translation please? by suso · · Score: 2, Funny

      HD DVD, Bluray or regular?

    4. Re:Translation please? by Eddi3 · · Score: 5, Informative

      (14 * 24 * 60 * 60) / (20 / 2.2) = 123,984 LoCs/fortnight

      (total seconds per fortnight)
      14 days per fortnight
      24 hours per day
      60 minutes per hour
      60 seconds per minute

      all over

      (seconds per Library of Congress transferred)
      20 terabytes per second (one LoC/second)
      2.05 terabytes per second (16.4 terabits per second

    5. Re:Translation please? by networkBoy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Data per boeing 747 (LCF version)

      DVDR = 159238213.7 GB/747LCF
      HDVD = 677609420 GB/747LCF
      BDVD = 847011775 GB/747LCF

      -nB

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    6. Re:Translation please? by u-235-sentinel · · Score: 4, Funny

      What's that in Library-of-Congresses per fortnight?

      Well... if you are Concast they will give you those numbers in terms of photos or mp3's or emails downloaded in a month.

      Personally I like to know in terms of how many 8 track tapes I can download a month. ;-)

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    7. Re:Translation please? by thechao · · Score: 4, Funny

      I saw "LoC" and thought "Lines of Code"; my second thought was that you have some *mad* job security.

    8. Re:Translation please? by fbjon · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Your calculations are a bit off. The LCF, like the Beluga and similar, is meant to transport aircraft parts which are large, not heavy. Additionally, the bulky airframe means it can actually lift less weight than a regular cargo carrier, and maximum takeoff weight is the limitation for bandwidth, not volume. Besides, the LCF is not for sale to customers.


      Redoing for the 747-400ERF:

      • Assume each disc weighs 16g, like a CD.
      • This gives us a box with a volume of 1,38 m^3 that contains 80000 discs, weighing 1280 kg, let's say 1300 kg including the box.
      • With a maximum payload of 112760 kg, that means 86,7 boxes, giving a fuel range of 9782 km. Note that if you want to go the full 14212 km, you'll have to throw off some weight to load more fuel.
      • This means about 6 936 000 discs giving the following jumbo packet sizes:
      CD = 4,5 petabytes
      DVD(DL) = 51 PB
      HD-DVD = 184,8 PB
      BD = 308,3 PB
      • Not including landing and takeoff times, the aircraft will travel 9782 km in about 10 hours, but let's add in 30 minutes for loading and unloading, giving the following practical bandwidths:
      CD = 124.8 GBps
      DVD(DL) = 1.38 TBps
      HD-DVD = 5 TBps
      BD = 8.35 TBps


      Now, according to wikipedia the Airbus A380F has a maximum range of 3800 km less, but has a maximum payload of about 37240 kg more, and would thus be better for bandwidth over normal distances as opposed to extreme long haul transmission. The calculations for this are left as an excercise to the reader.

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  2. So, this speed, on a scale of 1-10... by r_jensen11 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Would this qualify as 11?

  3. ObWalken by Saint+Aardvark · · Score: 3, Funny
  4. Don't get too excited. by geminidomino · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's just BURST throughput. Depending on factors like time of day, how many other users there are, and environmental conditions, throughput may drop as low as 33kbps. And we do NOT filter bittorrent.

    Just check your TOS agreement. It's all right there.

    1. Re:Don't get too excited. by holyspidoo · · Score: 5, Funny
      Now offering the fastest 16.4 Tbps service* available anywhere

      *1 Gig upload/download monthly limits apply

  5. On Neutrality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In other news: American telcos wonder how French providers are able to afford research and development without additional funding from a tiered billing billing scheme that is needed to advance the science in the United States.

  6. maybe its just me by the_mind_ · · Score: 5, Funny

    "164 wavelength-division multiplexed channels modulated at..."

    how very Star Trek of them.

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    1. Re:maybe its just me by pizzutz · · Score: 5, Funny

      "164 wavelength-division multiplexed channels modulated at..."
      how very Star Trek of them.

      I'm sorry Captain, but we canno' reach these speeds with time-division multiplexing. the phase coils canno' handle it!
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    2. Re:maybe its just me by Teiresias_UK · · Score: 2, Interesting

      To be honest I don't find this *that* amazing.

      I worked at the victim-of-the-telecoms-bubble that was Marconi 2000-02 and there was a bit of kit, the snappily titled UPLx, that could deal with 160 10Gbps channels down a pair of fibres, unregenerated over about 1000km - using soliton wave shaping and some sodding great Ramen pump laser to get there (nothing to do with noodles before you ask). It was demoed in the labs reliably, and I believe sold in to Telstra Australia

      In 5 years, they've added 4 Gbps ... wow.

  7. 16.4 Tbps of optical data? by Gabest · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Tbps speed, and over 100 Gbps. Something is wrong here.

    1. Re:16.4 Tbps of optical data? by spectrokid · · Score: 5, Informative

      They had 164 lasers with different colours sending 100 Gbps EACH over the same fiber, splitting the colours apart again at the other end with what probably is a little more advanced than a prism.

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    2. Re:16.4 Tbps of optical data? by EricR86 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'd wadger they're using devices like a Diffraction Grating or a Fabry-Perot Etalon

      Only a little more complicated than a prism :)

    3. Re:16.4 Tbps of optical data? by colinmcnamara · · Score: 5, Informative

      Its called dense wave division multiplexing, or DWDM. You take independent links (in this case 100Gig links), and transmit each of them on a slightly different wavelength of light called a Lambda. Since optic is looking for a specific wavelength, you can now run many "virtual links" per physical fibre. This is the standard technology for most Telcos. The innovation here is that they are doing this with 100Gig transceivers, and they have chipsets fast enough to combine the different lambda's back together into on high speed link. And yes, you can now let the Lambda Lambda Lambda jokes fly

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  8. Doesn't matter... by ScaryMonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    No matter how much speed they create, they will still be subject to the Law of Diminishing Porn Returns, which states:

    For download rate n, my demand for new porn will require me to download at a rate of n+1.

  9. Re:Doesn't matter by dave420 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Surely if an ISP adopted this, they'd have people signing up left right and centre. Wouldn't it be awfully attractive to their target audience?

  10. Re:Make it Short and Fast and Snappy by Gaima · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is the reason 100gpbs isn't being considered for lan use. It just isn't feasible at this point.

    Stick a thousand machines on each end, and you'll understand why 100Gbps is needed.

  11. Re:Current cables? by afidel · · Score: 2, Informative

    The problem has never been the glass! There is absolute craploads of dark fiber just about everywhere. Last time I saw stats it was something like less than 1/3rd of installed fiber was lit up. It's the uber expensive routing equipment needed to keep up with the flood of data that's the expensive part.

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  12. Re:Make it Short and Fast and Snappy by afidel · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you really need greater than 10Gbps then go with Infiniband as you can get 12x HCA's that will do 24GBps (48Gbps full duplex). But if you're paying $50 for 10Gbps ethernet you're not getting offloading and your CPU's are probably swamped of your TCP/IP stack is the problem. I would suggest getting a pair of offloading 10Gbps cards and seeing if you don't see a huge improvement.

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  13. Re:Make it Short and Fast and Snappy by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm running Linux on a Playstation3 with SPU video drivers in its Cell uP that can run at over 150GFLOPS. Since the PS3 has only 512MB RAM, it needs to be fed by the LAN and just buffer the LAN in its RAM. Even if SATA drives are delivering only 1.2Gbps, there's no reason I can't have multiple parallel drives on independent servers (if a single server's IO isn't fast enough for multiple SATA at full bore) on my SAN delivering multiple streams through my switch all to my Playstation. Now, the PS3's 1Gb-e is as hardwired to it as is its 512MB RAM, but the point is that there are already machines that can use that bandwidth. The total bandwidth doesn't have to reach 100Gbps, but only exceed 10Gbps, to require faster than 10G-e, which only 8-10 SATA drives in parallel could do today.

    So the bottleneck is 10G-e. There are already supercomputer clusters using multiple parallel Cells, so I'm disappointed that they're not already widening the pipe.

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  14. Re:Make it Short and Fast and Snappy by leomaro · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There is another problem, and is actually the bottleneck of transmitting packets at high rates.

    It doesn't really matters (yet, and considering Ethernet technology) if the BW of the fiber is a zillion Petabits/sec.
    The problem is now at 1Gbps and 10Gbps in Ethernet technology, and is because the processor overloads with the amount of hardware interrupts. The processors that are general purpose have to waste too many clock cycles processing that much interrupts, the processors nowadays are superscalar [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superscalar ]and every time the processor have to change the context (to attend an interrupt) has to do lots of things like unloading the registers, saving the context, loading the registers of the new process, and has to drop something out of the pipeline [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipeline_(computing) ] loosing performance.

    Ethernet tech has a huge latency [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latency_(engineering) ] and a stack that makes processing not so easy (if you look at te code of a linux network device driver it handles pretty much everything including writing the mac address that is only copied when the driver initialize).

    That is why there are some relative new things (NAPI in Linux) that try to make lessen the overload, there are new network devices that handle layer 2 and 3 (or at least parts of those, for example, is used to be handled the checksum algorithm) to avoid doing it in the processor. There are some white papers (one from intel, another from NetXen, I'm sorry I don't have the links now) that explain the problem and some approach to a possible solution.

    Yes, I know, there is something I have not said, and is that the main switches or routers have to deal with that and have hardware specially designed to do heavy network packet processing, and that is the point, the network cards will have to do that (and are already starting to), neither is an easy job for hardware designers, nor for the market, is easier and cheaper to have a machine that you can change the behaviour only changing the firmware or changing settings from a program (routers have an operating system, and lots of those are a general purpose microprocessor with a linux kernel and a web server to configure it, for example home routers).

    There is much to say yet in this field.

  15. Re:Make it Short and Fast and Snappy by Moskit · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Everyone" is waiting for either 40Gbit/s or 100Gbit/s Ethernet.
    The first one is what server-people push (they claim they do not need more, that's why 40Gbit/s was put into Ethernet standard),
    while network people want full 100 Gbit/s.

    > But what about all the LAN vendors, which have a real market for 100Gbps

    They don't.
    There seems to be market either for 40Gbit/s in LAN/local connections or for 100Gbit/s for core/long haul. At least judging but what happened with high-speed ethernet standard.

  16. Re:Sending "optical data" by thwack328 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Senator Stevens? Is that you?

  17. Re:Make it Short and Fast and Snappy by Detritus · · Score: 2, Informative

    Interrupt loads can be greatly reduced by switching to a polling-driven architecture. See FreeBSD.

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  18. Re:Make it Short and Fast and Snappy by leomaro · · Score: 3, Insightful

    >Interrupt loads can be greatly reduced by switching to a polling-driven architecture. See FreeBSD.

    New API (NAPI) takes a mixed approach, read: [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_API ], and for more information: [ http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/Net:NAPI ].