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Microsoft Internal Emails Show Dismay With Vista
bfwebster writes "Microsoft is currently facing a class-action suit over its designation of allegedly under-powered hardware as being 'Vista Capable.' The discovery process of that lawsuit has now compelled Microsoft to produce some internal emails discussing those issues. The Seattle Post-Intelligencer has published extracts of some of those emails, along with a link to a a PDF file containing a more extensive email exchange. The emails reflect a lot of frustration among senior Microsoft personnel about Vista's performance problems and hardware incompatibilities. They also appear to indicate that Microsoft lowered the hardware requirements for 'Vista Capable' in order to include certain lower-end Intel chipsets, apparently as a favor to Intel: 'In the end, we lowered the requirement to help Intel make their quarterly earnings so they could continue to sell motherboards with 915 graphics embedded.' Read the whole PDF; it is informative, interesting, and at times (unintentionally) funny."
There's an interesting article on nimp. Looks like the MS Devs dropped the ball big time.
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Give MS a break! This sort of thing happens when the general public just can't wait to have the "newest" technology, operating system, what have you.... so thereby causing companies like Microsoft, and others, to "push" out thier newest prodcts in an attempt to try and please the general public.... now, now.... I have to say shame on Microsoft for marketing thier newest OS to computer producers as "Vista ready", or "Windows Visa capable". On the other hand, let this be a lesson to the general public that waiting for something can be a "good" thing and, not nessessarily nice to have the newest of anything,(Vista or whatever the case), as quickly as it can be had, which can cause many companies to be sloppy in thier final products rushed to the retail world. Let's all try waiting fo a change an encourage quality..... not quantity!
Here's a very informative discussion/blog that I've been following on the lawsuit. Much interesting information here:
yhttp://yro.topix.com/tech/judge-rules-vista-capable-lawsuit-can-proceedarticle.pl?s/
And by so doing, they sold more licenses and thus _profited_.
That shouldn't come as a surprise...that's how it works...what do you think the thought process was? "Do it: profit from it. Don't do it...don't profit from it. Someone help me with this...." duh.
Sit down and we'll let someone else give it a shot. Everyone...feel free to point and laugh at 188401.
The thing to remember about the PC market is that it is driven by the hardware vendors who are looking to sell a "new, improved, with neat features" PC to somebody who already has a PC. Given the low cost of memory and storage, there is little incentive to try to minimize size. Vista is big, but so to are the major consumer distros. This is actually reasonable. Even if the value to the consumer scales as ln(feature_count), a reasonable value proposition can still exist.
You don't find many still using vi or emacs with tex or nroff formatting.
I refuse to believe this. I will *not* read these documents. They are probably forged by these European users anyway. Everybody knows that Microsoft goes all the way to support it's users and Bill Gates is a nice man who supports a lot of charities. How can you even suggest that they would join the forces of evil to steal our money. It's true my Vista is a bit slower on the HP with 512Mb memory, but I bought it that way and it is supposed to be like that. If not then it is certainly not MS fault but HP. And if the SP1 is dropping a lot of functionality in a range of programs then that is only to protect us users from evil software that profits from the great source code MS produces. I hate you all for making fun of MS[tm].
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What are you talking about? Vista runs every well written program and most of the garbage ones too. That whomever doing the choosing it is too think to fullfill their needs from the dizzing array of options available isn't microsofts fault. Don't know if your hardware is compatable? Gee, if only there were some sort of resource that might connect people and aggrigate information and peoples experiences. Maybe we could even make it searchable. And fill it up with porn and videos of cats doing amusing things! Maybe we could call this gigantic network of networks, an internetwork if you will, some hip cool name so all the kids will want to get on board. NAW, too big, too expensive, too complex, it'd never work.
I've built home computers out of all kinds of discarded componants, ultrasound systems whatever, I find the driver, or compatabile one, sometimes by reading the printing on the chip on the board, sometimes replacing the occasional componant windows has basically been all but bulletproof since 2000, and Vista is by far their strongest offering yet.
You want an integrated experience, yes? BUY A FUCKING MAC. That's what APPLE is selling. Contrary to what Slashdot would leave you to believe, Microsoft is selling choice.
I had an iBook before I joined Microsoft. It burned motherboard every 9 months. To maintain security support of the OS, I had to buy a new version of OS X every other release (My system came with OS X 10.1). Not only is MS cheaper to buy, it is far cheaper to maintain for many years. That said, Apple does make elegant consumer products.
Okay. But only if you run the same experiment from the other side of the coin. Get a linux 2.2-based system (if we take the release of v2.4.0 in 2001 as the point at which 2.2.x was most stable and use that for our comparison) and then take a recent 2.6.x based system.
Now throw in all the rest of the junk that goes with the 2.6 system (KDE, search tools, firefox, etc), and leave 2.2 with it's older interface.
The performance difference between the two is going to be *slower* on equivalent hardware on the 2.6.x system. Why? more stuff, doing more. There might be advantages in the disk subsystem (assuming you can even *find* drivers for 2.2.x for your current system) but those are going to be offset by KDE doing more, and there being more memory usage, etc. But that said, there are advantages in 2.6 as well. newer drivers, better queuing algorithms, better networking, better scheduling, which has allowed us to do more with more (which is still less, in total).
The only reason we didn't see it is because we were there, testing things out at a regular basis, every step of the way.
Sure, the release of a new OS (Vista) means we've taken a step backwards. Guess what, I took that same step backwards when going from win98 to win2000 (I needed to buy more ram to play diablo2.) I took the same step backwards when going from win2000 to XP. The only time i took a step forwards was when I upgraded hardware. That's been the case, every single time.
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Oh please...Spare us your sob story....Its quite clear you can upgrade the ram at the time of the purchase for $100 bucks... The only thing that is cheap here, is you!
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