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Researchers Expose New Credit Card Fraud Risk

An anonymous reader writes "Researchers from the University of Cambridge have discovered flaws in the card payment systems used by millions of customers worldwide. Ross Anderson, Saar Drimer, and Steven Murdoch demonstrated how a simple paper clip can be used to capture account numbers and PINs from so-called 'tamper-proof' equipment. In their paper (PDF), they warn how with a little technical skill and off-the-shelf electronics, fraudsters could empty customers' accounts. British television featured a demonstration of the attack on BBC Newsnight."

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  1. Get rid of the damn things! by seanadams.com · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The reason the security is so poor is because the banks don't give a s**t. It's the _merchants_ that are liable for fraud, even though it's almost entirely the fault of the banks! They banks only have to make it just good enough that it's easier for the merchants to take credit cards than cash - even after the exorbitant ($0.25 + 2.5%) processing fees that they charge just to move the bits around.

    The powers that be LOVE us using credit cards. They can track us, and they can dupe the feeble-minded among us into spending our way into a lifetime of indentured servitude.

    The failure of our government to (re-)introduce a $1000 bill, in spite of massive inflation, is a deliberate scheme to make it impractical for us to use untraceable funds for any substantial purchase. And it has nothing to do with tracking terrorists or drug money, it's just to keep tabs on and control over the law abiding populous.

    1. Re:Get rid of the damn things! by suso · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I believe this is called Security Theatre.

    2. Re:Get rid of the damn things! by ShadowsHawk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are plenty of merchants that will not accept a $50 let alone a $100.

    3. Re:Get rid of the damn things! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The data mining industry is so ingrained in our society that even if people started using $100 bills to pay for major purchases, the serial numbers on the bills would probably be scanned for tracking information. The only way you are going to get privacy in your monetary transactions is with a national privacy overhaul with penalties for data mining without permission. Since the government is one of the entities doing the data mining, this is probably not going to happen anytime soon.

    4. Re:Get rid of the damn things! by the+brown+guy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I tried paying for my university tuition with cash (I have a cash based job) and the woman there said that I can only pay online with a credit card. After explaining that I am too young to have a credit card, and that I only had cash she relented. Even then, she said that they couldn't give me any change, so I had to go and get exact change. Its bullshit, not everybody can have a credit card, plus I like the anonymity that paying via cash provides.

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    5. Re:Get rid of the damn things! by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is a manufacturing design problem.
      These boxes can be made to make this attack nearly impossible.
      But it would cost another 5 bucks to manufacture it.

      Hell, if the designed them so the case was steel, and as thin as an iPhone this problem goes away because:
      a) it would take serious effort even AFTER you knew what to do. Raises the risk.
      b) You couldn't attach something to it without it being noticed.

      As far as the software goes, encrypt the data.

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    6. Re:Get rid of the damn things! by Raistlin77 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not everybody can have a checking account, especially if they are unfortunate or irresponsible. And which would you rather have, cash or an electronic transaction that can be reversed or check that can bounce?

    7. Re:Get rid of the damn things! by Raistlin77 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The problem is not missing encryption between the merchant and bank, the problem is with missing encryption between the merchant and the card reader/pin entering pad. The same readers/pads are still unencrypted, even though the merchant may be encrypting the data for the transaction to/from the bank.

      It's like entering your credit card information on a website for a purchase. The connection to the server may be encrypted, but the data sent from your keyboard to your pc is not, and this is the same as where the hack with the card readers/pads is occurring.

    8. Re:Get rid of the damn things! by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 2, Insightful

      he failure of our government to (re-)introduce a $1000 bill, in spite of massive inflation, is a deliberate scheme to make it impractical for us to use untraceable funds for any substantial purchase. And it has nothing to do with tracking terrorists or drug money, it's just to keep tabs on and control over the law abiding populous.

      It might also have something to do with the fact that most people aren't crazy enough to walk around with thousands of dollars on them. In the end, it wouldn't matter, because any transaction of $10,000 or more with a bank will get reported anyway.

      Besides, a suitcase full of stacks of $100 bills has more class.

    9. Re:Get rid of the damn things! by Kalriath · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Really? Over here our terminals require triple-DES encryption between the PIN-pad and the terminal and then the connection from the terminal to the payment processor is encrypted again. Anything else will not be certified for connection to the EFTPOS network.

      Wow you guys really do have it bad.

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    10. Re:Get rid of the damn things! by syzler · · Score: 4, Informative

      In the case of university tuition, whether he can get a debit card or not is irrelevant. Legal U.S. tender must be accepted by a creditor (the University) from the debtor (the student) to pay off a debt within the U.S. If the University required payment before it allowed the student to register for classes, then the University could require payment by credit card. However since the University extended credit to the student for the classes, it is required to accept legal tender as payment for those classes.

      See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_tender.

    11. Re:Get rid of the damn things! by X0563511 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's the same in Petro (gas stations, etc) except they use something funny called DUKPT (derived unique key per transaction) - 3DES wasn't enough.

      These damn pinpads have more tamper-detect on them than a chastity belt. You sneeze and it dumps it's keys.

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    12. Re:Get rid of the damn things! by the+brown+guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's great to know, but it doesn't really help in a practical sense, legally I could pay $4000 in pennies (only 4000 because I'm in Canada), but I doubt they would accept that. I have a debit card, but use that to fund my eBay addiction via paypal, and I think that the government would be wondering why an "unemployed" university student is depositing a few thousand dollars a month into his bank account.

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    13. Re:Get rid of the damn things! by John3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure the connection between the card reader and all external devices (POS stations, authorization network) is always encrypted. That's one of the basics for certification by Visa and the rest of the industry. The vulnerability demonstrated (based on my reading of TFA) occurs totally in the card reader/pad.

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    14. Re:Get rid of the damn things! by Xiaotou · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think you should re-read your own link.

      From the article:
      There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise.

      Oops.

  2. Is anyone here really surprised? by suso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Proprietary software AND hardware companies basically cannot be trusted. I've encountered countless amounts of commercial software, hardware products and services where the company states that they are very secure, but when investigating things myself, I find that its trivial to circumvent their security. You can read about some of the read about some of the poor security I've discovered recently with web hosting providers. Consumers deserve better than this and its all of our responsibilities to make all people aware of these problems. Ironically, this news program itself doesn't understand the value of open disclousure. I guess I can understand that as its human nature to want to hide things for fear of liability. But its not like they were doing something that's not so obvious that someone determined enough could figure out.

    First rule of security in my book: Someone who wants something bad enough, they will be able to circumvent nearly anything in order to get it. So its a matter of how badly they want it. Since its money in question, I'd say that a variety of organizations and people want it pretty bad.

    1. Re:Is anyone here really surprised? by Pojut · · Score: 4, Informative

      First rule of security in my book: Someone who wants something bad enough, they will be able to circumvent nearly anything in order to get it. So its a matter of how badly they want it. Since its money in question, I'd say that a variety of organizations and people want it pretty bad.


      This reminds me of a quote (the source eludes me at the moment):

      "If it can be engineered by one human, it can be reverse-engineered by another human."
    2. Re:Is anyone here really surprised? by whyloginwhysubscribe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My bank in the UK (Barclays) has issued me with a secure ID card, that I type my PIN into, and it then gives me a number to type into the online banking system.

      I think it is only a matter of time before this gets transferred to shop terminals - if you need to bring something and remember something, then it makes life a lot harder for hackers.

    3. Re:Is anyone here really surprised? by irongroin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First rule of security should be: Physical access is all access.

  3. Damn you Clippy! by techpawn · · Score: 4, Funny

    Damn you to hell!

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    1. Re:Damn you Clippy! by holyspidoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      "It looks like you're entering your secret PIN. Would you like help?"

      I never should have said yes...

  4. They're looking in the wrong place by blhack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The huge security hole in the credit card system is the users. I flipped out at one of our vendors when they STORED my credit card number in their database, and just went ahead an charged it next time I was in the store.
    People will gladly give their credit card number over the phone to a shady pizza shop, just to get a 15 dollar pizza delivered to their door.
    We could build the most secure credit card system in the world, but the problem is that it has to be simple enough for idiots to use.

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    1. Re:They're looking in the wrong place by zippthorne · · Score: 4, Informative

      Which is not a problem if you use virtual account numbers (what Citibank calls it. I'm sure other banks have the same thing with different names) that are only authorized for one transaction for the amount you specify.

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    2. Re:They're looking in the wrong place by Fnord666 · · Score: 4, Funny

      but the problem is that it has to be simple enough for idiots to use.
      Even then someone will just build a better idiot.
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  5. Paper clip? by evil+agent · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ross Anderson, Saar Drimer, and Steven Murdoch demonstrated how a simple paper clip can be used to capture account numbers and PINs

    Hmm, Macgyver must have tipped them off.

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  6. This is a UK/Europe card system issue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    What people are missing in this is that this pertains to certain card types mainly used in Europe. The type with RFID or embedded chips used for security. On standard US debit cards, there is no information sent to the card or from the card that ties to the PIN. The PIN is only seen by the pinpad component and immediately encrypted using a rotating DKPUT key algorithm before that, the card number and a sequence number are sent to be translated by a hardware security module. The pin pads themselves used by most US retailers are secure and do not pose a risk. If you tamper with most of those devices (example, the Welch Allyns used by best buy, lowe's and others) then the injected keys are erased and PIN translation fails. They normally don't remain out too long if they are tampered with since the stores will consider them broken and unusable when they don't work anymore. This is related to the system in place and used in the UK. The US system, while old, is only being updated currently to support the new double length key requirements and have not incorporated smart card support or RFID (except a few gas station chains). The most important thing in the US is to protect the card database since the data on the mag stripe can be used as a credit card. As for PIN security, don't tell others your pin, notice hidden cameras that look out of place and point at PIN pads and you should be safe. The way PIN numbers are stored at banks within a hardware security module is safe and those devices are very sensative to outside attack. They even employ motion sensors to prevent tampering in HSMs.

  7. Why isn't it a PIN = SecurID + PIN by apenzott · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The PIN needs to be a moving target and much longer than 4 digits. Note that stateside that most automatic car washes are using at least 5 digit numbers to authenticate the sale as sold by the gas pump. (Example: SecurID or one-time pad.)

    (offtopic)
    My biggest pet peeve is why are account numbers (on checks) in the clear while the same is basically true of PIN numbers (without any added "salt")

    For checks I would like to see the account number + check number translated a 16 to 20 digit hash of which only the bank knows how to decipher to the correct account and check number?
    (/offtopic)

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  8. Tough Interview by Crazy+Man+on+Fire · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow. The interview at the end of that piece has me floored. Imagine if industry people and politicians in the US were subjected to this sort of probing interview and actually responded. The interviewer had the representative from the credit card companies on the ropes the entire interview. Props to the BBC for doing some serious journalism.

    1. Re:Tough Interview by ettlz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Jeremy Paxman is famed for being incredibly tough on his witnesses (and contestants on University Challenge)
      Yes, but did you threaten to overrule him?
    2. Re:Tough Interview by mapsjanhere · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The big advantage of a publicly funded TV program - the producers are less likely to cave in to advertiser's interests.

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    3. Re:Tough Interview by d3vi1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      KUDOS to the BBC for being a leader in all fronts of the Mass-Media. This video proves that they can do serious journalism, something that most media companies have forgotten how to do.
      Short, correct and difficult to answer questions. Ask the right questions, that's all it takes.

      Bravo BBC

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    4. Re:Tough Interview by trainman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Indeed, I wish the media in this continent (we have the same problem with flaccid media in Canada too) would ask the tough questions like that. Alas most of the time the reporter doesn't even know what the story is about, and simply doesn't have the subject knowledge to ask such pointed questions. Then of course they would have to care enough to hold the subject accountable.

      Far too often I hear interviews were the subject gives some double-talk half twisted lie which makes no sense, and the interviewer simply accepts this line as fact. No follow up question, no challenging. It's turned me off watching TV news completely, because politicians continue to get away with the same lies unchallenged.

      I wish I knew how to fix this problem. I'm sure corporate control is part of the problem somehow. :)

    5. Re:Tough Interview by BovineSpirit · · Score: 3, Informative

      Jeremy Paxman is famous for being a tough questioner. His most notorious interview was with a slimy politician who later led the Tories to defeat against Tony Blair's Labour. I'm not sure what Paxman's personal politics are, but he certainly doesn't appreciate being messed around. Michael Howard can be sure that if one of his political opponents had weaseled around like that he would have had equally short shrift.

    6. Re:Tough Interview by hairykrishna · · Score: 3, Informative
      For all you non-brits, this is a reference to a famous interview where Paxman famously asked Michael Howard exactly the same question 12 times in an attempt to get a straight answer: http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5983432841587892898&q=paxman+howard&total=10&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 (3 minutes or so into the video).

      It is one of the finest pieces of political TV ever.

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    7. Re:Tough Interview by smurfsurf · · Score: 2, Informative

      The BBC is not managed by the government.

    8. Re:Tough Interview by ayjay29 · · Score: 2, Informative

      >>Imagine if industry people and politicians in the US were subjected to this sort of probing interview... It's worth wathing NewsNight in the US when they cover US items (the BBC makes every program available on the web after broadcast). Sometimes Jeramy Paxman will get his teath into American politician or representative who is completly un prepared for this type of interview. It happened to someone high up in the US (can't remember who) administration in the lat Iraq conflict and he was really knocked back by the interview. Also Jeramy Paxman has been starting to get really sarcastic about some things lately, it's funny to watch. The link is here. Much better than the CBS news "And now some puppies will lick your face" and the BBC news "Post apocalyptic rave".

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  9. Most will for large-ticket items by davidwr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While it's true they don't have to do business with you, most stores will accept a $50 rather than lose out on a $55 purchase. Ditto a $100 and lose out on a $101 purchase.

    It boils down to risk:
    Most people passing funny money will want to get change rather than goods they can only resell at diminished value.

    Also, many merchants use basic anti-counterfeit measures when accepting $20s and higher. Granted these measures have a high miss rate but they do catch amateurs.

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    1. Re:Most will for large-ticket items by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Funny

      While it's true they don't have to do business with you, most stores will accept a $50 rather than lose out on a $55 purchase. Ditto a $100 and lose out on a $101 purchase. They're evidently not that keen. Last time I tried to make a $53 purchase with large-value bills, they refused.

      The cheek of it- my $50 bills are as good as anyone else's! As was the $3 bill...
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    2. Re:Most will for large-ticket items by akozakie · · Score: 2

      Anti-counterfeit measures work well enough on many currencies, but with US dollars it's rather difficult. The new dollars are good enough, but the problem stems from the fact that demonetization is currently prohibited in the USA and even very old banknotes are legal tender. It's a problem in banks around the world - you have to learn to look for giveaways on several versions of each note, and the old ones are not very well protected. It's a tradeoff - you get more counterfeit money in circulation, but you also get a certainty that money stored in a box somewhere (or in a bank's vault) will still be good for e.g. a /. subscription after many years.

  10. Jail Time? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2, Insightful

    British television featured a demonstration of the attack on BBC Newsnight."
    I'll bet that would land you in jail over here (USA) ...
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  11. MacGyver by j4s0n · · Score: 2, Funny

    How far you've fallen...

  12. I can build an atomic weapon with a paper clip by wsanders · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >> "As described in some detail in our paper, the basic attack tool is a paper clip. In order to record and analyze transactions a couple hundred pounds' worth of equipment is required, in addition to some digital design experience."

    OK, a paper clip. PLUS A BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF.

    Well, shoot, I could probably build an atomic weapon with a paper clip. PLUS A BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF.

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    1. Re:I can build an atomic weapon with a paper clip by Jarjarthejedi · · Score: 2, Funny

      Macguyver wouldn't need the other stuff...just some gum. And you call yourself a nerd...shameful

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    2. Re:I can build an atomic weapon with a paper clip by johnny+maxwell · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, you have to admit that that in this case the paper clip is quite important.
      For those of you who haven't actually read the article (it is not unheard of!):
      They use it to peel through a hole in the back of a owner-accessible compartment for some rarely used extra modules to insert it into an open via in the pcb which just happens to carry a serial data line transmitting PIN and card details...

      You could even nicely mount your eavesdropper circuit in that compartment.

      This is quite startling IMO, as the designers of the module have gone to great lengths to hide most signals under layers of a dense sensor-maze to prevent access by drilling your way into the lower layers of the circuit board.

  13. Clippy? Is that you? by bryny · · Score: 3, Funny

    It looks like you are trying to crack an account. Would you like help?

  14. Another hole in the sieve? by syousef · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Credit cards are so incredibly insecure that the only reason people use them is that the banks so far have been willing to cover the costs of fraud (in most cases and as long as the card holder hasn't contributed to it through negligence).

    This is just one more flaw.

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    1. Re:Another hole in the sieve? by |Cozmo| · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's because the banks don't eat the cost of fraud, the merchants do. If I have an online store and someon uses a stolen card to buy something from me, I'm the one that gets screwed. The credit card companies reverse the charge, AND charge the merchant a fee for it happening. Then the merchant is out the money, a fee, AND the product they shipped to a thief. The lamest part is the credit card companies don't even provide you the tools to prove that a transaction is legitimate.

  15. Where's the crypto? by Junta · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've been wanting something much more sophisticated than a 'shared secret' that you have to give to anyone to give money. If I let random restaurant a charge me 2 bucks for a drink, I have to give them potentially full access to my accounts.

    Where's my private/public cryptography? I want to carry around my own damned device with keypad and display. The display would show me *exactly* what my financial institution will think I'm authorizing, and the keypad would be used to enter the passphrase to decrypt my private key, which is never ever ever transferred outside of the devices local filesystem. It's generated by the device and the public portion uploaded in a secure manner to my financial institution. The secure manner is a complicated issue, but there are degrees of inconvenience that can be induced to do it right, and allow me to opt to allow nothing more convenient than that.

    I go to a damn store or online retailer.. When ready to purchase, it somehow gets the data to my device (maybe encrypt with my public key, maybe direct connect to my device, maybe through the financial institution, whatever, the security risk in this transaction being the nature of what I'm buying, not in any way risking the actual money being transfered). I enter my passphrase (which could be as simplistic as a 4-digit pin, but at my discretion, not theirs) to signify accepting the terms my display gives me (i.e. authorized wal-mart to take 5 dollars from my account this one time, or authorize phone company to withdraw no more than 25 dollars on a monthly basis, the transaction may have tolerances and periodic, but always show me the tolerances and period and *who* I'm really authorizing to get the mony). With my private key decrypted, use it to sign the payload, then my financial institution *must* receive that cryptographically signed authorization to transfer payment. The retailer *never* has anything more than data to confirm that one transaction (or reuse for repeat data if I declare that trust, within definable thresholds). To commit 'identity theft' (horrible phrase), they would either need to compromise the financial institutions database with *write* access to replace my public key with their own (by the way, invalidating my real key so I should notice it) or steal my device physically, which I should know. The device should overwrite memory contents where the key was with random bytes every time it completes an authorization, and therefore physical theft or tampering should lead to a dead end without my passphrase.

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    1. Re:Where's the crypto? by Junta · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You forgot the step where your computer has a key logger installed and someone overseas now has all your data. Someone steals my device or gains unauthorized access and *then* returns it to me unnoticed is *far* more likely to be noticed than taking my card, scribbling the number on the front and back, and putting it back. Or for random POS equipment to be instrumented that I interact with. Or for some old-fashioned place with the carbon copies or some stands to be set up. At least the security risk lies in the implementation of the device, *not* fundamental to the system. Sure, *the* most secure proposition is currency, but other than direct physical interaction, currency is *not* feasible for the same reasons its good for face to face. Mail currency and anyone can intercept and use it, as it's not traceable and not targeted.

      That's not even getting into your other major flaw, and your incorrect assumption. It would be much easier to discuss those points if you at least mentioned what they were.
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    2. Re:Where's the crypto? by fullgandoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, chip cards (EMV) do work in a manner similar to what you describe (public/private key encryption). The problem highlighted by the report is that it is possible to capture the PIN as it passes from the PIN pad before being transmitted. This part of the equation is unencrypted atleast in one model of terminals from one manufacturer. As far as I know, just about every other POS terminal as well as the keyboards on the ATMs only pass on encrypted PINs (except for older models!).

      So, what do you loose if your PIN is compromised? Actually, nothing in a perfect world. That is, a world with only chip cards. The problem is that an overwhelming majority of transactions are being performed on plain old magnetic stripe cards. The amount of infrasturcture already out there prevents an overnight shifting to chip cards, and that is why every card with a chip also has a magnetic stripe.

      So if you have a clear PIN and you have the data on the magentic stripe of a card, then it is trivial to reproduce the card and then use it on an ATM with the PIN to withdraw cash.

      If you have a secure chip only card, then more than 90% of the world's terminals will not work for you, including just about every terminal in north America.

  16. Doesn't apply to US card systems by 33tango · · Score: 2, Insightful

    US Cards do not have the pin stored on the card. That's like keeping your password in your top desk drawer. This attack will not affect US Cardholders. Could you accomplish the same thing? Yes, but much more difficultly. And that's what security really is about, making a target so difficult thieves go elsewhere.

  17. Re:[Encrypted account and check numbers] by apenzott · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Given that a one way hash can't really be reversed, that idea doesn't make much sense in the way that you posted it. A one way hash at first makes sense, except in reality it doesn't, as currently deployed. The numbers on your check have a routing number and account number. Both are numeric values with relatively few permutations when contrasted against case sensitive alphanumeric hashing. The routing numbers of banks are also no secret. Put simply, it'd be a trivial matter to brute force the hash with the simple numeric values we use today. OK, I'm using the wrong terminology.

    Routing number keeps the same public self (we need to send the check to the correct bank for processing.)

    Account number xxxxxxxx Check number yyyyy becomes zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

    Issuing bank has key to turn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz back into original component numbers and verify that z... was not some made-up number in attempt to create a "bad check" of which there is no real account number attached to. Also xxxxxxxx, once extracted is verified to the name printed on the check. After about five or more bad values of z... in a day, a human is brought into the equation to look for the underlying cause.

    If check is good, then issuing bank electronically clears the bank draft with bank (or presents cash to individual) that presented the check. This allows for a pre-verification of check prior to verifying the signature (which most banks no longer do anyways.)

    I won't go into recurring drafts (automatic payments) as that makes things a bit more complicated.

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  18. Re:[Encrypted account and check numbers] by Shadow-isoHunt · · Score: 2, Informative

    Check numbers are incrimental and of limited permutation, again making the hash easy to brute force. If the hash changes with each check, it also becomes harder for retailers to identify bad checks based on account number. You're going to end up turning away legitimate customers money, and gain no security. By the time the check hits the bank, the fraud has been done. Also, "once extracted is verified to the name printed on the check"? Depending on your bank, this is already done. I signed a check with my right hand instead of left once(couldn't hold the pen because I messed my hand up), and I got a call a few days later about it. I'm with WaMu.

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  19. Keypad on the card by Alain+Williams · · Score: 4, Interesting
    What is really needed is that the cards have an integral keypad - so that communication between the chip and the keypad cannot be intercepted, you entering your PIN would activate the card that could then talk over an encrypted link (eg SSL) directly to the bank's computer.

    OK: this would make the cards somewhat bulky and since people tend to have several cards their pockets would bulge. So why not allow people to buy their own small keypads (which they trust to not have been tampered with) that they can plug their cards into and plug the whole lot into the retailer's machine.

  20. Banks and Security by Accersitus · · Score: 3, Informative

    Banks seem to think a system is secure enough as long as the number of cases where customers are exploited, are few enough. This way the bank can repay the customers with little arguing, and prevent these stories from reaching the media. In Norway there is a story that has been running in the media where a Professor at the University of Bergen and a group of students have shown that the system used by Norwegian banks to offer Banking services on the internet have flaws that can be exploited. The banks take the same route and try to claim that the system is secure and have their PR people find technical terms like calling it a theoretical attack. (Actually the attack is far from theoretical). The interesting part is how the banks just keep trying to convince the media and people in general instead of sitting down with the researchers at the University and try to find a solution. After the first case in the media, the banks worked to fix the security holes, but the researchers didn't even need a day to find a way around the new protections. Since this system is considered for a national authentication standard the appropriate minister in the Norwegian government is involved, and is siding with the professor and not the banks.

  21. banks should be liable by nguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When banks deploy inadequate security, they should be liable for the distress and costs they cause their customers.