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Sony Says Eee PC Signals "Race To the Bottom"

Alex Dekker writes "Sony's Mike Abary says in an interview, 'If [Asus's Eee PC] starts to do well, we are all in trouble.' Presumably by 'we' he means all the hardware manufacturers who sell over-priced, full-fat laptops. And he's not going to be too pleased when he sees the Linux-powered, sub-$200 Elonex One. Looks like what's bad for Sony may be good for the consumer." The CNet article mentions that a version of the Eee running XP is available in Japan now and will be coming to the US within weeks.

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  1. About dang time... by EntropyXP · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Remember when DELL said they'd create the first sub-$1000 PC and people just laughed at them? I never understand why people pay $2000 for a LAPTOP that can so easily be stolen, dropped or damaged. $200 for a email machine is more of the price range that they should be in.

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  2. Was that a blog, or an ad for Sony? by spun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, did anyone read the whole thing? About two paragraphs are devoted to the whole 'race to the bottom' thing without explaining exactly why Sony thinks this a problem. The rest of the entry just goes on and on about all the cool things Sony sells and how many colors and textures the Vaio comes in.

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    1. Re:Was that a blog, or an ad for Sony? by UncleTogie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's Sony for you: All marketing, no brains.

      Seriously, does Sony really think we can take pronouncements like this as gospel when their top lawyers can't even listen and answer properly?

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    2. Re:Was that a blog, or an ad for Sony? by WindowlessView · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They consistently make high quality tech products. Blu-ray (despite being DRM crippled) will probably be the next CD. I sure hope it is.

      I have no dog in the disk format wars but can Blu-ray's success really be chalked up to engineering? There are stories aplenty about how Sony paid hundreds of millions of dollars to the movie studios to get them to switch. This seems more like marketing (or something more nefarious) than technical excellence and doesn't support your argument very well.

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    3. Re:Was that a blog, or an ad for Sony? by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It seems very clear to me why Sony thinks a race to the bottom is bad. They argue that by forcing manufacturers, who already have thin margins to cut their margins even further by creating cheaper and cheaper commodity hardware, it will limit the likelihood of manufacturers investing in high-margin, high-value, cutting edge hardware- and will therefore limit the development of said hardware.

      As a result, the focus on commodity PCs, like the eeePC, signals a shift away from the accelerating development of hardware and software toward a more stagnant approach.

      I'm not sure I agree. But that's what it seems like Sony is arguing.

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    4. Re:Was that a blog, or an ad for Sony? by cp.tar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm quite certain I do not agree.
      Cheaper appliances will have a larger target demographic, and therefore quite enough money will be available for the development of high-end ones.

      There is a market for everything.

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    5. Re:Was that a blog, or an ad for Sony? by Aqualung812 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, I see Blu-ray as being the next 8-track and mini-disc. It is a stopgap between DVD and downloadable video, just as 8-track was between LP disc and cassettes and MD was between CDs and MP3.

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    6. Re:Was that a blog, or an ad for Sony? by iamhassi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "hey argue that by forcing manufacturers, who already have thin margins to cut their margins even further by creating cheaper and cheaper commodity hardware, it will limit the likelihood of manufacturers investing in high-margin, high-value, cutting edge hardware- and will therefore limit the development of said hardware."

      You can go to Walmart and buy a complete PC system with LCD for $400, even less online. Has that stopped manufactures from making faster processors and video cards? Of course not, and neither will cheap laptops.

      The Eee PC is no threat to Sony or any other major manufacture. It has no dvd-rw drive, no hard drive, and the cheapest $300 model only has 2gb of storage. 2gb! Most laptops have more ram than this has total storage! It costs $500 to get a Eee with only 8gb, and for that price you could buy a full-sized 1.86ghz Inspiron 1525 from Dell or Walmart has several laptops betweeen $400 and $500

      Saying the Eee PC threatens laptop manufactures is like saying motorcycles threaten SUV sales. If they really want to be competitive, Sony should make a Eee PC clone. I'm sure there's money to be made selling a 7" LCD, 2gb storage and 900mhz processor for $300.

      Sony's argument is BS. I would think they'd be more worried about the full-sized $500 laptops competing with their $1,500 notebooks considering they're much closer in specs.

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    7. Re:Was that a blog, or an ad for Sony? by DragonWriter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are stories aplenty about how Sony paid hundreds of millions of dollars to the movie studios to get them to switch.


      AFAIK, what all those stories share is that they lack any evidence or named sources, and in many cases overtly cite the speculation of unnamed "analysts" both on the existence and amount of the payoffs.
  3. Re:When do we get these affordable laptops? by Calinous · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your Dell comes with a 15.4" display, better resolution, better processor, more memory, bigger non-volatile storage, a normal keyboard, and maybe other things.
          And weigh three times as much as the EeePC. There is a market for lower performance, light computers.

  4. Re:I don't think so by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is slashdot, so we need a car analogy. And indeed, people continue to buy expensive cars even though most people will buy a cheaper car that fulfills their needs instead of going for the top of the line. The influx of cheaper cars (from Japan, I may add!) didn't kill off the top models, although it relegated them to a niche market.
    Similar for laptops -- most people will buy what serves them well, and not splurge on the top models. There's a good market for small, fast /enough/ and affordable laptop computers, and Sony knows this fully well. They have chosen to stick with the upscale market, and shouldn't complain about EEE and similar eating their pie more than Porsche should complain about Nissan eating theirs.

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  5. Mobile world by blackbirdwork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm a happy owner of the following mobile devices:

    - Asus Eee
    - Nokia 770
    - Nokia N810

    I'd learnt something in these years: we don't need powerfull fat heavy devices, we need smaller and lighter devices, we don't care about power. For power we have fat big desktop computers.

  6. But the EeePC is small and cheap by walterbyrd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's the difference between the EeePC and an old laptop.

    The EeePC is not supposed to be a super-powerful computer. Rather, the EeePC is supposed to be very portable, and affordable.

  7. Re:When do we get these affordable laptops? by IL-CSIXTY4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The big selling point for the EeePC in my case was the size. It's about the size of a paperback, and weighs the same. I can carry it around the office under my notepad to pull up a browser, email, or SSH session whenever I need it. It's replaced a much more powerful Dell and gave me more productivity.

  8. Re:I think he's worried about nothing by blackbirdwork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Did you use the Eee? It's the perfect device for a mobile world. Well, the internet tablets from Nokia would be the perfect devices but the qwerty keyboard of the Eee puts it in the first place. You can browse, play videos, music, chat, or do everything you need on that little screen. Sure, you won't feel comfortable using photoshop or any application that needs high resolution monitors, but that's not the target of the Eee.

  9. Customer by EaglemanBSA · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps these companies (whether they be electronics manufacturers (Sony) or automotive manufacturers (GM), etc.) need to pull their heads out of their asses with respect to customer research.

    LG did a bit of customer research, painted their washers and dryers red, and quadrupled sales overnight. Toyota made a tiny, efficient car (echo), and sales boomed. Asus made a PC that it figured would sell really well, and they were right, as a result of understanding their customers' CTQ's.

    I love my eeepc because it's exactly what I need. Portable, durable, cheap and linux-based. Sony, Dell and the rest can produce what they want, but when it doesn't sell, it's nobody's fault but their own.

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  10. Re:When do we get these affordable laptops? by blackbirdwork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And your hard drive will crash if you hit hard your Dell, the SSD of the Eee will not break. (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4dhhl_tests-resistance-chocs-chaleur-froi_tech)

  11. Re:I don't think so by HangingChad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The influx of cheaper cars (from Japan, I may add!) didn't kill off the top models...

    Not yet but American auto manufacturers are on life support. GM used to be huge. Remember the old saying that what's good for GM is good for the country? Probably before your time. As big as GM was in the day and as small as those upstart Japanese car makers were in comparison, there's been quite a turn around. That in an industry that evolves at a glacial pace.

    The technology market evolves much faster. The technologies that should scare the bejabbers out of the status quo include:

    • Appliance PC's. Sony has good reason to be scared. So does Dell, HP and Lenovo.
    • Mesh networking. Self-discovering p2p networks that don't need a telecomm or service provider to spring to life. This could potentially be as disruptive to the current internet as the internet was to traditional telecomm in the late 80's.
    • Open Source. When you take an overview of MSFT's approach to OSS, it's hard to mask the unmistakable signs of fear. And MS should be afraid of OSS, the same way Dell should be afraid of EEE PC's.
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  12. Re:When do we get these affordable laptops? by POPE+Mad+Mitch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why buy a Eee PC when I can get a Dell cheapie of the moment with 12X the power at the same or LESS price. Because you, like so many other people, and some of the 'rival' manufacturers miss the point of why this appeals to quite so many people.

    Its fairly cheap, sure, but as you point out its not the best value for money on that score.

    It is because it is also small, and light, at under one kilogram and smaller and a A4 pad it easily slips into a satchel, or messenger style bag that many people carry around these days, making it much more practical to keep with you than a traditional large heavy laptop.

    You can of course buy small sleek laptops with more features, but they tend to cost more, a LOT more.

    Its the balance point of price and size and features that makes it so popular, alter any one of those very far and you lose that unique selling point.
  13. Competition: Apple Air and Thinkpad Subnotebook. by gnutoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But they cost 10x as much and, despite Sony marketing assurances, alligator skin is not what people want a laptop to do. EEE delivers almost everything people care about in a laptop for an order of magnitude less than the competition. The reason it's selling for twice as much as expected is because it's a runaway hit and considered a good deal at $400. Used computers of the same weight sell for twice the price but offer only better screen size and keyboard. If they come with Windows, a used laptop does not offer much performance gain, and some significant performance losses, as well as a the usual Windows migration and software install pains. Good for Asus, EEE sells out as soon as they hit the shelves because people who don't care about GNU/Linux want it.

  14. No, that is reporters for you by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The entire article is nothing more then the an out of context quote. Cnet heard something they think might sound nicely controversial, plunks it in in an article that seemingly has no goal and watches the ad revenue stream in when as predicted slashdot picks it up, makes an entire story out of one quote and runs rampant with it.

    Personally I think this is all overblown, offcourse Sony who operates at the high end for laptops will call a move for the cheapest laptop a race to the bottom and warn that if this catches on "better watch out", but you note that completly absent from this article is any condemnation of this, neither do they warn consumers about the Eee. He might as well be meaning that those companies who think they can only sell super expensive ones better watch out.

    Oh wait, I am doing it wrong ain't I. Sony is the evil!

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  15. Earth to Sony: by Cerebus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If [Asus's Eee PC] starts to do well [...]

    What do you mean, "if"?

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  16. Re:Color me a happy eee customer... by meringuoid · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Enter the eeePC, which comes fairly cheap (mine was 399.99) with Linux pre-installed. It's Xanadros, and I'll admit, I'm a moron, so I didn't want to deal with it. Installing XP was anything but easy... lacking a DVD-rom drive, I had to port it to a memory stick, run a bunch of suspicious looking programs to make the stick bootable, and then run it from there. XP died after installing 4-5 times, 6th time's the charm...

    This kind of thing is why Windows will never be ready for the micro-laptop.

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  17. What's wrong with that? by Guspaz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What's wrong with a race to the bottom? Like any other competitive market, it will force companies to innovate to try to provide faster performance at lower prices, driving innovation in the lower end of the market. I, for one, am quite excited.