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Iran May Shut Down Internet During Election

daveschroeder writes "'The Iranian government might block private access to the Internet for the general legislative election on March 14, two Iranian news outlets reported Monday. In 2006, the authorities banned download speeds on private computers faster than 128 kilobytes per second. The government also uses sophisticated filtering equipment to block hundreds of Web sites and blogs that it considers religiously or politically inappropriate. Many bloggers have been jailed in the past years, and dozens of Web sites have been shut down.' It would appear that Iran's own government is more a threat to the nation's internet connectivity than the fragility of the undersea cable network."

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  1. A few more notes: time for perspective? by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This was trimmed from the original submission:

    Slashdot readers may recall the assertions, roundly dismissed by undersea cable experts, that the cables were deliberately cut to sever Iran's internet connectivity, which, contrary to popular belief, never occurred.

    Many fervently believed the cable "cuts" were a prelude to war; still others insisted they were part of a plot to prevent the opening of the Iranian Oil Bourse. Interestingly, no one could explain how cutting only one of several mechanisms of Internet connectivity to Iran would stop the bourse from opening...

    Well, there was no secret invasion of Iran, and the Iranian Oil Bourse, after many self-incurred delays, still opened, to little fanfare. The opening of the bourse -- which doesn't deal in US dollars -- was supposed to be the turning point that sent the dollar into a freefall; however, myriad other factors seem to be hurting the dollar just fine on their own.

    Why am I mentioning this? Because I think it is incredibly important to take a step back, get some perspective on things, and realize that actual totalitarian regimes are far more dangerous and damaging to individual freedoms and the free flow of information, in a very real and tangible sense, than even the wildest imagined conspiracy theories.

    1. Re:A few more notes: time for perspective? by neonmonk · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The scariest thing about Iran is that they're a theocracy hell bent on breeding fundamentalists. The murky water surrounding Iran's nuclear interests is also hinting towards being a very real threat linkage.

      I personally believe that if anyone needed to be invaded or at least occupied in some way, it should have been Iran. Not that I condone that kind of action without a lot of rationalisation first. But it makes a lot more sense to me than invading Iraq. But then again, Saddam didn't try and kill my daddy. That'd probably sway me.

    2. Re:A few more notes: time for perspective? by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And the hundreds of non-US and non-Western individuals involved on the flotilla of vessels needed for undersea cable repair -- which are constantly roving the world repairing cables -- don't notice this, and/or have all kept it a secret?

      We have other means of undersea cable traffic interception and surveillance. And even if the cuts were cover for the insertion of a tap at another location by a vessel like the Carter, there isn't any way to prove that one way or another.

      I think the most interesting thing is that people seem to be looking for explanations that somehow involve nefarious US activity -- anything other than a string of coincidental cable failures in one geographic region. That aspect is especially interesting: given the sophistication that would be needed to carry out such an operation undetected from a technical standpoint, we somehow don't have the foresight to make it unnoticeable in other ways?

      The "nefarious activity" in relation to Iran's internet connectivity is right under our nose, and it's the draconian restrictions the government imposes on its own people, not that a splice might possibly have been installed somewhere as part of an operation that requires incredible technological sophistication and wherewithal, but can't manage to make cable cuts not appear too "obvious".

      The cable operators have numerous mechanisms to detect splices installed in their lines. So unless the cable operators themselves are in on it -- as some have alleged -- I don't think this hypothesis is plausible, either. And if the cable operators are in on it, then we wouldn't have needed to cut undersea cables and install splices, would we?

    3. Re:A few more notes: time for perspective? by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It wants Iran to be and to be perceived as a bunch of all isolated religious fanatics.

      No, Iran itself wants to be, and wants to be perceived that way. There's no other way to explain it, and the frequently repeated ravings of its top elected official. You seem to think that Iran is a reasonable place full of professionals that vote their conscience. If that's true, then the expression of their will is their current leader, and their current program of funding all sorts of extremist militants, terrorists, and cutthroat muderers who send mentally disabled women into markets full of children to blow up bombs. No? That's NOT what the people of Iran want? Then why do they put forth a government that acts in that way, and talks in terms of wiping other countries off the map? Or perhaps you're wrong, and the place IS ruthlessly controlled by militant religious crazies. You can't have it both ways. Either it's NOT a moderate, forward-looking country with a professional middle class that can shape the government - in which case you've been painting the wrong picture and you know it, OR, those people do have liberty to do as they choose, and the government you see there now - and its actions - IS what they choose... in which case you're also painting the wrong picture. Reformers there are shot down at every turn - both literally and figuratively.

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    4. Re:A few more notes: time for perspective? by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To be completely fair, I sure wouldn't want people to judge me or make assumptions about me based on the leader that we (Americans) elected and the actions of the current administration.

    5. Re:A few more notes: time for perspective? by damburger · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It is old history for Americans (lets face it, yesterday is old history for you lot whenever it doesn't involve Americans getting killed) but I should imagine most Iranians are pretty pissed off about the support for the Shah and then Saddam Hussein.

      And now, the US is indirectly supporting the theocratic regime by providing an immense outside threat to push the population to extremism. Iranians may not like their government, but having seen what your geno^H^H^Hliberation of Iraq was like they certainly prefer it to the alternative - and this empowers the religious conservatives who otherwise would be forced by their generally secular, progressive and young population to liberalise. In fact, prior to Dubyas rampage through two of its neighbouring countries, that was exactly what was happening in Iran, albeit slowly.

      Iran has plenty of capacity for internal change, and homegrown democracy, even after everything we have done for them. All we have to do is leave the buggars alone long enough to let it blossom. Sadly, while they sit on resources we want to suck up for our decadent lifestyles, that won't happen.

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    6. Re:A few more notes: time for perspective? by SpecTheIntro · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That isn't a question of whether Iran's president is or isn't good on foreign policies or his domestic economy... we're talking about a regime that sees fit to shut down the internet during elections.

      And the people who make that call aren't up for election. Ahmadinejad is not "the regime"--Khamenei is. Along with the Council of Guardians and Assembly of Experts. And the way in which they are chosen is by direct election.

      Um, how about ceasing to fund terrorism-using militant religious extremists? How about stopping shipments of cash and arms over the northern Iraqi border and through Syria to people who use them against civilians, blow up police stations, etc? How about simply recognizing that Israel exists, in the way that, say, Egypt, or Jordan have?

      Let me ask you a question. I mean this in sincerity. Do you believe Hezbollah to be more evil than Israel? If so, why? Look at the total number of civilian casualties caused by each side. Look at Israel's involvement in the region, specifically what it has done to Lebanon for the past thirty years. Hezbollah was primarily responsible for Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon in the 1980s. I actually happen to think Hezbollah is more evil than Israel, for ideological reasons, but I don't separate them that far from one another. Israel's certainly been the cause of much more death. Iran is playing a politically savvy game, in the same way America has for decades. Iran has quite clearly enumerated what it will take to get it to recognize Israel: elections that involve Palestinians. (He actually says so in the speech where he supposedly called for Israel to be destroyed. Funny, that.) Much of what we allege Iran does (for example, the Syrian examples you quoted) is part of a war of rhetoric. Iran can cite as many examples of the same--for years America supported Mujahideen E-Khal, which carried out terrorist attacks on Iranian targets. America has shot down Iranian planes full of civilians. Why should Iran be the one to cave to American demands? Iran held Americans hostage for a year--a dickish thing to do, but it pales in comparison to the overthrow of their democratically elected government and ensuing exploitation. We had our reasons, but do you think that justifies it, in their eyes? Especially given how much Iran helped us during both World Wars?

      So, what good is sophistication when it can't serve the people it governs?

      I wasn't saying that it was a good thing. I said it was sophisticated because it is, and as a result you can't look at it like the President is an accurate reflection of the will of the people. It's just not that simple. The political system is surprisingly complex, and in many ways mirrors the American one, in that our higher officials are not necessarily selected by those they govern. In Iran's case, it's essentially two governments in one, with one subservient to the other, and the subservient one includes the electable offices--but who qualifies to be elected is completely determined by the superior government. I agree with you: Iran doesn't do a good job of representing itself on the world stage. But that has a lot to do with who its enemies are. America wages a much better PR campaign, and so does Israel.

      runs Iran and is working so hard to prevent its next door neighbors from developing a secular society that actually functions on behalf of its people.

      Now you're just being naive. Iran is not the source of the problems in Iraq, nor is it trying to prevent Iraq from becoming stable. A stable Iraq is in Iran's best interests. What it wants, however, is an Iraq free of American influence, much like America wants an Iraq free of Iranian influence. Neither scenario is achievable, and neither player is happy, so each is making the other bleed for it--America through the UN sanctions, Iran through its covert operations in Iraq. But even in light of those operations, the vast m

  2. The New Psych Ops by jeramybsmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Run uncensored internet to the target country. It wouldn't surprise me if this actually happened.

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    1. Re:The New Psych Ops by kamran1919 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is the best suggestion I have heard. Put a high power data satellite up there in the Middle East. Flood the market with very inexpensive transceivers and low profile antennas. US will save billions later trying to change the regimes to something the local population does not want.

  3. Re:Technology by KublaiKhan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because Iran has money, and these companies are not morally opposed to money.

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  4. They are getting the hang of it by Englabenny · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I remember listening to the Persian/Canadian blogger who at Wikimania 2005 (Frankfurt) talked about blogging, activism and internet censorship. He mentioned that the Iranian government was pretty lax compared to China and many others, and speculated that it might continue like that. However, they are really picking up speed now sadly. Probably because the iranian blogosphere was so hopeful and full of momentum in 2005.

  5. Before everyone foams at the mouth by oceaniv · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I certainly don't support this, however I am curious as to what the real rationale is and for HOW LONG the internet is gone. For example, here in Canada we have a media blackout on election results during the day the elections are running... obviously that's not a problem in Iran because the TV is estate controlled, but I can definitely see something like that being used to justify internet closure. I personally don't support any kind of blackout since it sets precedent, but you kind of have to keep in mind that without a constitution and censorship tendencies, legislation like this passes through without a blink.

  6. Re:Good for them by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow, nice hate. Iran's leaders may be a bunch of retarded assholes, but that doesn't mean you can't have a little sympathy for the people they're fucking over.

    Should I call you an inbred idiot because you're being led by one of them? Didn't think so.

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  7. A few Thoughts by Cryophallion · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. So it will only block private access. Does this mean you can still log on to the net from work?
    2. What is this meant to do? I see no real security benefits to blocking the internet.
    3. In speculating after what happened in Africa, is this an attempt to block outsiders from knowing what is going on in the country, or to keep outsiders from influencing the country, or to keep their own people unaware of what is going on in their own country? No matter which one, info will come out eventually, so the only thing I can see happening is that people can't tell others what is going on at the polling places before it is too late. But either way it would be too late, because there wouldn't be time for others to come and help out if there is forced voting.

    I guess I'm just confused as to how this is supposed to help them out, as it only makes them seem overly secretive, with little to no long term benefit.

  8. Gee, there's a surprise... by hyades1 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...a fundamentalist regime that doesn't much like free thought, free association or free speech. I bet ol' George Bush can't make up his mind whether to bomb them or hug them. And would anybody like to take a bet on whether Yahoo served the bloggers up to Iran's secret police on a platter?

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  9. Re:Good for them by sakdoctor · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Everyone gets the government they deserve.

  10. US is to Iran, as Osama is to US by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The infringement of civil liberties in Iran is being justified to counteract 'American interference', just like the wiretapping is getting justified by 'terrorist plotting'

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  11. Re:What about Saudi Arabia, the US? by chill · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because Hezbollah and Hamas target civilians. Period.

    If their attacks restricted themselves to Israeli soldiers, military installations & equipment, and political and military infrastructure, they'd have more sympathy in the West.

    Firing rockets indiscriminately into civilian areas; bombing markets, discos, stores and buses loses them all credibility and plants them firmly in the realm of "terrorist organization". They use the threat and practice of violence against an unarmed civilian population as a weapon.

    Considering Israel withdrew from Lebanon in May of 2000, according to U.N. Resolution 425, Hezbollah was to have disarmed. Did they? No. They aren't to be trusted and need to be treated accordingly.

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  12. Re:Good for him. by gnick · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hell, we should give every nation their own nukes and delivery system. MAD you know. The problem is that the whole MAD thing falls apart when you're dealing with religious fanatics that view martyrdom as a path to glory. It's like threatening to shoot a guy wearing a suicide vest.

    MAD also gets a little edgy when you're dealing with dictators who are just bat-shit crazy and can't be trusted to act rationally.
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  13. Re:-1: horseshit by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Obama's foreign policy guy is Brzezinski, who isn't specifically anti-war. Only when it's a terrible, terrible idea.

    Well that largely rules out war against Iran barring an overt act of hostility against us or an ally of ours. Which is more than enough for me.

    The scariest moments for me in the last 8 years were when it seemed like Bush was almost serious about trying to push for a preemptive war against Iran. Such a thing would have made Iraq look like Venice Beach. Fortunately even the morons who thought Iraq would in fact be like Venice Beach knew what a bad idea that was so it never got much past the saber rattling stage -- plus Iraq was already going sour so they knew there'd be no support for it.

    We're not going to topple the hard-line Iranian government by going to war with it. Our aggressive attitude towards them empowers the hard-liners and weakens the reformers, because regardless of what we'd like to think the Iranian people would rather their government tell them what to do than let our government tell them what to do. Engagement with Iran on the other hand weakens the hard-liners by taking away the threat they claim -- with quite some substantiation -- we represent.

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  14. Re:Good for him. by mdarksbane · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Impressively myopic.

    Despite what the current administration wants us to believe, current terrorism is about as much of a threat to our security as drug gangs are - they cause a mess of trouble, make life suck for a minority of people, and in general cost us a lot in law enforcement. But they aren't threatening to change our economy, political system, or national borders.

    ie, they are not a real national threat to the continuance of most of the US as a decent place to live.

    We keep nukes around because a single regional or global hegemony is an inherently unstable state, that will not continue for even the rest of my parent's lifetime, let alone mine. When we fall or another power rises, given the fact that any opponent large enough to pose a real threat to us will have nukes, and will likely have the same MAD level concerns about using them, we'll be quite happy to have kept our place as a nuclear power.

  15. Re:Good for him. by seriesrover · · Score: 2, Insightful

    MAD only works when your opponent doesn't want to get blown up. It worked for the cold war because the Soviets, whilst on the other end of the political ideology, didnt want to get annhilated. This whole "lets give everyone nukes to be fair" is insanity. Fanatics, religious or otherwise, have becoming increasing powerful over the centuries in the destruction that they can cause. We need nukes to stay ahead of the curve - don't confuse "fairness" with equality. I'd rather much rather be "fair" for those that don't want death and destruction than to be equal with those that do.