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Jimmy Wales Faces Allegations of Corruption

eldavojohn writes "The SFGate site has up an article noting that Jimmy Wales, the founder of Wikipedia, is facing allegations from multiple quarters accusing him of abusing his power. Several people apparently claim he used the foundation to pay for personal expenses, including reimbursement for a $1,300 dinner for four at a Florida steakhouse. Accusations have also been made indicating that he edited the Wikipedia entry of political commentator Rachel Marsden, a woman he was seeing, at her request. In the case of that allegation, Wales replied that 'I acted completely consistently with Wikipedia policy. I did the right thing: I passed along my work to date for other editors to deal with, and I recused myself from the case.'"

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  1. The devious plot is out.. again by fictionpuss · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The most interesting thing about Wikipedia is that it could be founded by a hypocritical douche, but still remain a valuable repository of information. That in itself is enough to convince me that Web2.0 isn't just an empty phrase, not least because it is the legacy of Wikimedia and collaborative knowledge gathering which makes accounts of such douchiness hard to suppress.

    That, and the fact that the Wikipedia elite seem to be so inept in keeping secret their devious plots.

  2. Jimbo Hilton by inflamed · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hey, internet celebrities are just as scandalous and shocking as television celebrities. It's like beer for your computer screen.

  3. that's funny by ILuvRamen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hey that's funny, it doesn't talk about any of that on Jimmy Wales' wikipedia page...hmmm

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  4. Like Volkswagen by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Insightful
    which was Hitler's baby.

    No need to throw out the product with the person.

    Not that I'm equating Wales with Hitler, just using an extreme case to make my point.

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    1. Re:Like Volkswagen by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      An angel taking a leak is more newsworthy than the devil strangling a kitten.

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  5. An open community wins again by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This case with Jimmy shows how open initiatives win the day again. It doesn't matter if Jimmy Wales gets thrown into jail for murder, or if his character is undermined. It doesn't matter, because the only thing that matters is the positive contribution he made by founding Wikipedia and his later life or his personal details don't effect that.

    It is like science, it doesn't matter who comes up with the evidence or the theory to explain it. The only thing that matters whether it's correct or not.

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    1. Re:An open community wins again by fistfullast33l · · Score: 4, Funny

      It is like science, it doesn't matter who comes up with the evidence or the theory to explain it. The only thing that matters whether it's correct or not.

      I guess, however I think the joule, watt, newton, tesla, ampere, degree celsius, degree fahrenheit, volt and many others would probably have something to say about it.

  6. How is it different... by ShatteredArm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    from other nonprofits? Some CEOs of nonprofits get paid hundreds of thousands per year of donated money, and this guy can't treat three friends to a $325 meal? Not saying I approve of his conduct, but this isn't really that damning.

    Now the real problem is that he, the creator of wikipedia, hasn't been able to convince some private company to give him lots of money. You think that'd do pretty well on a resume.

  7. That's something by techpawn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I acted completely consistently with Wikipedia policy. I did the right thing: I passed along my work to date for other editors to deal with
    So basically, he's saying that yes you can write anything and it's up to the editors to catch it and make sure you're true. If my boss says "write us a shinny burb on Wikipedia!" I can say I was going with their policy because the editors should of caught my writing?
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  8. Not a peach by DrWho520 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Besides being a (former) talking head on Fox's Red Eye, Rachel Mardsen has been accused of harassment in the past. You might also note from the same article that she has falsely accused a man of sexual harassment. Ms. Mardsen target in the sexual harassment case claimed she sent him sexual e-mails and photographs.

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    1. Re:Not a peach by cperciva · · Score: 5, Informative

      Rachel Mardsen has been accused of harassment in the past.

      Not just accused, but found guilty of harassment.

    2. Re:Not a peach by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Which naturally raises the question of why the founder of an online encyclopaedia wouldn't have the good sense to use the resources at his disposal to check out her bonafides before getting personally involved.

      Because...

      a) He is male
      b) She is an attractive female
      c) She let him see her naked and have sex with her

      Speaking as a man, never underestimate a man's ability to overlook the obvious when there's potential nudity involved.

      (I think Matt Groening said it best in his "Life in Hell" comic script: "Love is doomed to fail because men are stupid and women are crazy.")

  9. Re:Hitler by KevinKnSC · · Score: 5, Funny

    [Citation Needed]

  10. Wait, THIS is corruption? by pcgamez · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Good god, if this is corruption then about 95% of the people in middle and upper management should be in jail. When I read the headline I thought he had been caught embezzling a minimum of tens of thousands of dollars. I don't think that there are too many people who are innocent of having their company pay for an expense that was not 100% appropriate.

    Get real, this is small time stuff that is not even worth making it to the news much less /.

  11. Re:Wikipedia... by fictionpuss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now you know where your "donations" to the "wikimedia foundation" went... while you were suckered into giving him free labor. Over the last year Wikipedia has, quite easily, saved me (or more specifically, my clients) hundreds if not thousands of dollars in time because it is a valuable reference resource for science and technology.

    I couldn't care less if they go all high-school on each others personal accounts, or whether political biases are enforced through some "admin" abuses - those pages are not those which I find useful.

  12. Dates and dinners are not the issue by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 5, Informative
    Clinton didn't get into trouble for getting a blowjob and vandalising a cigar. No he got into trouble for lying. Jimmy Wales is getting scorched because he made a bunch of rules and flagrantly ignores them when it suits his needs. The real bad thing here is that it undermines the whole supposed democratic nature of wikipedia. Jimmy Wales might have started Wikipedia (arguably by editing Sanger out of the Wikipedia history himself), but Wikipedia is now bigger than Jimmy.

    If you read the post above properly, you'll see that it does not say Wales == Hitler or use a Hitler reference to slur Wales, it just uses Hitler as an extreme case to say don't equate the product with the person.

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  13. Re:Hitler by sm62704 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Godwin would have, too.

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  14. Re:More to the story? by vux984 · · Score: 5, Informative

    That Marsden chick is nuts. I went to high school with her, and I was attending university at SFU at the same time her 'sex harrassment scandal' and got to see that unfold up close. We weren't in the same circle, but . "Nuts" doesn't really begin to cover it. Vindictive, manipulative, self-centered, detached from reality, borderline sociopathic ... I could go on.

    I hadn't realized she'd become something of a minor celebrity since then. I'd had her pegged as ending up a bitter cat-person writing angry columns. I guess she managed to make a career out of that. Wikipedia mentions she ended up with Bill O'Reilly on Fox for a number of years... Figures. Crazy attracts crazy. And even THEY fired her.

    If Jimmy Wales was keeping company with her... well... no wonder the breakup was bizarre enough to become newsworthy. As to charges of corruption... well.. you can learn something about a person by the company they keep. My assessment of Wales credibility is pretty low right now.

  15. Re:Hitler by Gloy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Godwin would have, too. Since Godwin is employed by the Wikimedia Foundation, he probably already has.
  16. Wikipedia and big Corporate donations by zymano · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How can it stay objective with their funding coming from big biz?

    I have noticed all the 'Spam entries' like Chipotle's restaurant.

    When I added a bit on their prices , it was quickly removed.

  17. Re:Mistakes by Admiral+Ag · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's a bit mean. Wikipedia has obvious problems, but the fact that it is probably the world's largest book and is more or less accurate is an astonishing achievement. What it loses in accuracy or polish it makes up for in sheer breadth.

    The problems it has occur largely because the management, and Wales in particular, are incompetent. Many of the obvious problems with Wikipedia could be solved by having professional administrators (at least at the top of the tree) who are barred from creating content, but merely enforce the rules. When those who create the content may also enforce the rules, it is obvious that there is the potential for conflict of interest. It is even worse when not only are those who create the content able to enforce the rules, but are able to themselves make the rules.

    As it stands, Wikipedia's open structure encourages obsessives with major personality disorders. It's no surprise that the most influential admins tend to be obsessive, manipulative, vindictive scum, because the structure of the organization is such that obsessive, manipulative, vindictive scum will rise to the top. If you aren't an obsessive, you simply won't be able to match the work rate of people who are, and if you aren't Machiavellian, you will be beaten out by people who are. Communities need separation between those who make the rules, those who interpret them, and those who enforce them. Wikipedia doesn't have that, so the rules are simply interpreted according to the interests of the ruling clique.

    It's all turned out rather like "Animal Farm" (with Wales as the swine in chief). Secret email lists, administrators who are seemingly able to break the rules, yet never be punished, while good faith editors whose agenda conflicts with those of the ruling clique are blocked based on the most trivial evidence. Mindless groupthink among the cabal. Rules continue to multiply like rabbits, many of them based on the weird personal agendas of admins. The Israel/Palestine articles are a shameful mess, etc.

    Jimbo Wales has to go. Wikipedia is now one of the most important and influential sites on the net. It needs, competent and professional management.

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