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FBI Admits More Privacy Violations

kwietman writes "The FBI admitted that in 2006, for the fourth straight year, they improperly accessed phone and internet records of U.S. citizens. Director Robert Mueller testified that the abuses occurred prior to sweeping reforms enacted in 2007, and actually blamed the breaches in part on the telecommunications companies, who submitted more information than was requested. In another unsurprising development, the FBI also underreported the number of security letters - used to authorize wiretaps and to subpoena internet and telecom records - by over 4,600. The use of these letters to identify potential terrorists has, according to the government audit, increased dramatically since the implementation of the Patriot Act. Over 1,000 of these security letters were found to be improper in 2005, and similar numbers were expected for 2006 and 2007."

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  1. Right. by palegray.net · · Score: 5, Insightful

    blamed the breaches in part on the telecommunications companies, who submitted more information than was requested Or it could be the requests were sufficiently vague that the telcos thought they were submitting the right amount of information.
    1. Re:Right. by BakaHoushi · · Score: 5, Funny

      I know! Think about it. The phone company has YOUR phone number! What are they going to do with that...?

  2. "for the fourth straight year" by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Of course the feds don't care -- look, they feel free to even admit that they are abusing the powers granted to them, that they aren't even bothering to follow the already extremely permissive laws that guide them. It's been going on for years -- ever since the first report after the enactment of the USAPATRIOT Act -- and still they aren't called on it.

    No, for some reason not enough people care. Firstly I blame the media -- just like the previous reports, and even the NSA wiretapping scandal, this will show up in the news for a little while then quietly vanish. Secondly I blame people who even when presented with facts by the media just blindly assume that it's all done to catch terrorists and they don't care. They're told the their privacy is being abused, and they mentally convert this into their privacy not being abused, only terrorists and since when do terrorists deserve privacy?

    Even Congress -- now Democrat controlled -- doesn't do much but feign shock and dismay that the powers they granted without even reading what they were are being abused.

    Some people care, but it just doesn't seem to be enough.

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  3. Re:Grim Outlook by smittyoneeach · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A re-examination of the Constitution would be a fine laxative for the Fed.
    While the document contained glaring flaws like the 3/5 Compromise, the Bill of Rights, if followed, would actually support protection of individuals from states and states from the Fed.
    Just have to have a reasonable transition plan to ease the country out of the velvet handcuffs of entitlements.
    Some of the presidential candidates are out to worsen the problem. Watch out for them.

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  4. No, stop, please don't give us that much data! by Wuhao · · Score: 5, Funny

    I probably shouldn't post this, but I was at the meeting. Here's how it went down.

    FBI: Hello, AT&T, can we have the phone records for 123-555-6789? As you can see here, we have a warrant here to tap that number, because it belongs to Osama Bin Laden. In fact, it says so right on the caller ID!
    AT&T: Why, certainly! And while we're at it, here are the records for several hundred thousand Americans who are completely or only tangentially related. We hope this helps!
    FBI: No, please, stop! We don't want that data!
    AT&T: Don't be so modest. Here's a few hundred thousand more!
    FBI: Please! Stop! Don't! You're offending the very values upon which J. Edgar Hoover built this place!

    That's exactly how it happened.

  5. Catching bad guys by statemachine · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I once attended a lecture by a prominent local individual in L.A. who was known for speaking out against the LAPD's blanket harassment (and assaults) of people living in the poorer areas.

    He said the prevailing attitude seemed to be "Catch the Bad Guy." At first, this doesn't sound like it conflicts with the LAPD's motto: "To Protect and Serve." But, he explained, there's a huge difference when you think about it: "Catch the Bad Guy" implies treating everyone in a poor fashion just to maybe catch a bad guy. "To Protect and Serve" implies that everyone is innocent, and explicitly that the police must protect everyone and serve the communities in a good fashion as a priority, rather than suspect everyone and treat them badly.

    That was almost 20 years ago. The LAPD's CRASH (anti-gang) unit has since been disbanded due to multiple court rulings of unconstitutionality (the LAPD suspected pretty much every minority) and civil liability case rulings/settlements (the LAPD busted more innocent heads than gang members). The attitude is still a problem, and I've seen it with many other police officers in different cities, BUT I'm not saying it's a majority... just a very annoying minority.

    The main point here: "Catch the Bad Guy" is an easy trap to fall into, and many may not even realize they're acting this way, or simply don't see the distinction.

    The court system is slow, tedious, and money draining -- same as the legislative system. However, we're not seeing our own citizens shot at by itchy-fingered National Guardsmen anymore. I have to remain optimistic, at least about large-scale shifts of thinking...

  6. Much too late by NEOtaku17 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is too late to start using the Constitution as the ultimate law of the land again. If we followed the Constitution exactly as it is written we would have to get rid of things like the Department of Education, the Environmental Protection Agency, Social Security, and many other government programs and agencies that people don't want to see taken away. After years of ignoring it, the Constitution has lost its power.

  7. Re:Without outrage... by WindowlessView · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why don't we ever see comments like yours in the cuba "sneakernet" article ...yada yada...

    Geez I dunno, maybe because I don't live in Cuba, North Korea, Egypt? Maybe because I have no expectations of civil liberties in those countries? Maybe because none of those governments have been telling me my entire life that I live in a nation of laws, have constitutional rights and so forth? Maybe because I spend so much time worrying about my own country and douche bags like you fucking up that I don't have sufficient energy to work myself into a lather about countries I have absolutely no control over?

    One wonders ... actually I don't. You just only pick on guys that are guaranteed never to say anything back or hurt you. You are a coward, "making a stand" without risk.

    I don't know what "One" wonders but I wonder what the hell you are talking about. Oh, maybe I do. You aren't responding to me at all, are you? You're just reacting to the hate track that never stops playing in your head, bravely fighting whatever fraudulent demon Hannity or Rush stuffed into your tiny brain this afternoon.

    What you're doing is not brave, it's not revolutionary, and it's not even moral at all. It's cowardice.

    Again, this doesn't make sense. It's just phrases thrown together. Repeat them loud and often enough and they sometime elicit emotion reactions but that doesn't make them any less intellectually vapid.

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  8. Re:Without outrage... by SirSlud · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I suppose you're doing lots about all the problems you listed. How is it cowardice to communicate dissatisfaction with people you're more likely to influence than list off a multitude of global crimes against humanity that we can't effect? Whats immoral about criticism, exactly? Are you a coward for not being in Egypt right now? The only thing I know is that its pretty pathetic to want to defend the most powerful government in the world. I'm sure we agree that America is responsible for great things. We just disagree in two key areas:

    1) taking issue with behaviour withing our own government than we deem as being incongruent with the basis of western democracy is not a bad thing
    2) the fact that I'm not out there fighting these terrible conditions doesn't mean I should be able to attack you for being in the same safe position

    If human rights issues bother you so much, go out and do something about them. Picking on somebody who chooses to criticize their own government when they feel it is right to do so is myopic. I swear, people who are convinced that they live in some impenetrable palace of awesomeness are so fucking stupid. If you really think the US is the sole provider of the peace and rational thinking, I've got hundreds of millions of people living in other first world nations who are wondering why you're so recalcitrant to criticize your own government. Its a very important function of democracy, as practiced by way more places than the US.

    So stop playing "He started it." If you take issue with the mistreatment of human beings, do something about it, but don't act like just because its pretty minimized in your country that its not worth discussing.

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