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Controversy Over 140-Year-Old Math Problem

sciencehabit writes "British mathematician Darren Crowdy has been bragging all week about how he solved a 140-year-old math problem, as we discussed a few days ago. But three American mathematicians say they had the critical idea first."

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  1. History Repeats by immcintosh · · Score: 4, Funny

    Newton? Meet Leibniz.

  2. What did the three American mathematicians say... by Trivial_Zeros · · Score: 4, Funny

    Q: What did the three American mathematicians say to the British mathematician? A: FIRST!!!!!

  3. It wasn't obvious until it was pointed out by Alien54 · · Score: 5, Informative
    But mathematicians John Pfaltzgraff of the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, and Thomas DeLillo and Alan Elcrat, both of Wichita State University in Kansas, say they had the basic strategy--and a formula--first.

    Crowdy heard Elcrat talk about that work in 2003, but he says the American trio didn't realize the relevance of the Schottky groups.

    The Americans' formula, published in 2004, involves the multiplication of an infinite number of terms, which goes haywire if the holes are too close together. Crowdy's formula replaces that product with an obscure beast known as Schottky-Klein prime function. Crowdy says his formula will never fail. "I'm very skeptical" of that claim, says Pfaltzgraff.

    Basicaslly, the American Team was clueless until someone pointed out the obvious to them, now they want the credit. Fail.

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  4. American team didn't publish... by ELProphet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This anecdote is attributed to Landau (the Russian physicist Lev not the Göttingen mathematician Edmund).

    Landau's group was discussing a bright new theory, and one of junior colleagues of Landau bragged that he had independently discovered the theory a couple of years ago, but did not bother to publish his finding.

    "I would not repeat this claim if I were you," Landau replied: "There is nothing wrong if one has not found a solution to a particular problem. However, if one has found it but does not publish it, he shows a poor judgment and inability to understand what important is in modern physics". Actually, from TFA, the American team did publish first, but "didn't realize the relevance of the Schottky groups." Further, the Brit (working independently, and supposedly without knowledge of this obscure paper) says his formula will work every time. The Americans are of course sceptical, but can't seem to find any situation where it won't work. Kudos to both, but it seems history will go to the Brit for this. I'll check Wiki in about a year; I'll bet it talks about the Brit, and mentions the American team in passing.
  5. Darren isn't one to brag by GuyMannDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I object to the use of the word 'bragging' in the summary. I went to grad school with Darren (his office was 3 doors down from mine) and he was a great all-around guy. He was someone you could joke around with and I never saw any indication of him being a braggard. It's possible that he's changed significantly in the last 10 years, but I see nothing in TFA that would suggest this. He made what is potentially a significant contribution. Why shouldn't he be aloud to be proud of it?

    GMD

  6. Offtopic by apdyck · · Score: 4, Funny

    The British guy got in his First Post, but was modded -1 Offtopic by three American moderators.

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  7. Re:FIST SPORT! by The+Aethereal · · Score: 5, Funny

    You may have posted first, but I thought of posting before you did.

  8. -50 off-topic by WombatDeath · · Score: 5, Funny

    Two mathematicians, let's call them Bob and Tarquin, were in a café discussing the woeful state of mathematical ignorance amongst the general public. Bob excused himself to visit the restroom and Tarquin beckoned over the waitress.

    "Would you mind helping me with a small bet?" he asked. "When my friend returns I'm going to ask you a question, and I'd like you to reply 'X cubed'. OK?"

    The waitress looked mystified but agreed to do as requested. A few minutes later, Dave returned and the two men resumed their earlier conversation.

    "It's not all that bad," said Tarquin. "I bet you $10 that even this slack-jawed troll of a waitress can do basic calculus".

    "You're on!" scoffed Dave.

    So they beckoned the waitress over. Tarquin gave her a surreptitious wink and said "I wonder if you could help my friend and I settle an argument - can you tell me the integral of three X squared?"

    The waitress pondered for a moment and replied "Easy: X cubed".

    Tarquin grinned smugly at Dave as the waitress walked away. And then, over her shoulder, she added: "Oh yes: plus a constant".

    1. Re:-50 off-topic by Ecuador · · Score: 4, Funny

      I loved the joke, even though I probably missed part of the fun.
      For example I didn't get the part where Bob goes to the restroom and Dave returns.
      Thanks for the laugh! ;)

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