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GE Announces OLED Manufacturing Breakthrough

bughunter writes "Today GE announced the successful demonstration of the world's first roll-to-roll manufactured organic light-emitting diode (OLED) lighting devices (press release). This demonstration is a key step toward making OLEDs and other high-performance organic electronics products at dramatically lower costs than what is possible today. The green crowd is thrilled as well. Personally, as the parent of a 3-year-old technophile, I'm dreading the animated cereal boxes." Now can I get my Optimus Keyboard for less than $1,299?

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  1. Ok, so how about this idea... by keineobachtubersie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Personally, as the parent of a 3-year-old technophile, I'm dreading the animated cereal boxes

    Ok, then don't buy them.

    1. Re:Ok, so how about this idea... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Speaks the guy with no kids.

      It's not buying them that's the problem, its having to navigate through a grocery store where all the things you don't want your kid to eat are marketing themselves aggressively right from the shelves...The kid will want them, the marketers will make sure of that, and you'll either have to buy 'em or deal with the crazed screaming/whining/sulking that will ensue.

      Sure, you can fight that fight, but you have to fight it often enough already for crap that actually matters more than a box of cereal. Lot of people will give in just to avoid the inevitable scene.

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    2. Re:Ok, so how about this idea... by keineobachtubersie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "and you'll either have to buy 'em or deal with the crazed screaming/whining/sulking that will ensue."

      I see, you prefer to pay them off instead of parenting them. And we wonder where all the consumerism comes from...

    3. Re:Ok, so how about this idea... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, and this happens every single time you go to the store. Like clockwork.

      Simple solution - don't take your kids out if he's being a shit.

      You will cave in. You don't know you will, but trust me--and every other parent out there--you will cave, and buy it whatever it wants to just shut it up.

      No, I will punish the behavior.

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    4. Re:Ok, so how about this idea... by PitaBred · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Amazing. I never did that when I was a kid. And if you show them that you won't tolerate it in the first place, it'll stop happening. Promise. Kids aren't stupid, they know what works. They know they'll get what they want if they just keep at it, and there is NO DOWNSIDE to them. No punishment that I hear you implementing, no going without, nothing. Try it... hold them accountable, and they'll act accountably.

    5. Re:Ok, so how about this idea... by EMB+Numbers · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are obviously a wide range of natural temperaments among young children. However, as the father of three, I assure you that not all children behave as described, and I suspect that almost all children can be trained not to behave as described. (Some mental illness or developmental disability might preclude such training).

      The reason that bystanders stare in horror at seriously misbehaving children and parents is that such behavior is NOT normal and is therefore unexpected/shocking. People also stare when adults are abusive or disruptive or antisocial. Any behavior outside normal conventions will prompt staring.

      My advise is that young children like to have rules and behavioral boundaries. Clear rules make them feel socially confident and reduce anxiety. Children test the boundaries when they feel insecure, and the best response is to reinforce the previously established boundaries. That makes them feel like the world is stable and sensible. When a parent moves the boundaries or the child can't find the boundaries, nobody will be happy - least of all the child. Interestingly, the exact same guidance applies to puppies.

    6. Re:Ok, so how about this idea... by RevDigger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Personally, as the parent of a 4-year-old...

      Reward the behavior you like, and punish the behavior you don't like. Never deviate from this, ever. Behavior that is rewarded will be repeated, and behavior that is punished will (eventually!) cease. I mean, I know exactly where you are coming from. I know how much tantrums at the store suck. You may have to sit through a few of them before it works. If it's bad enough, just exit the store and deposit the kid with someone else, while you shop solo. Trade sleep for time to shop if you have to, but never reward bad behavior. YOU are in charge.

      Also, I suspect a lot of the gimme gimme tantrums are tv-related. It sucks to think you paid someone (TV purchase, cable subscription) to induce tantrums in your kid. Maybe turn that crap off too.

      Mmm, slashdot parenting. This crowd is getting old.

    7. Re:Ok, so how about this idea... by madmaxx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're insane. You don't have to cave in: it's always your fucking choice.

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  2. Our ugly future by sm62704 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Personally, as the parent of a 3-year-old technophile, I'm dreading the animated cereal boxes.

    In another twenty years there will likely not be a surface anywhere that isn't animated. The animated billboards and signs are already here.

    As if having blinking shiney flashey crap on the internet isn't bad enough now we're subjected to it in meatspace.

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  3. Reason to be excited by StreetStealth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would be excited ... if there were more details convincing me this is a 'breakthrough.'
    The one thing that I think sets this apart from most "breakthroughs" is that they're demonstrating a prototype of an actual fabrication process rather than a prototype of a product that would then require plenty more research to figure out how to fabricate it.

    In other words, it's one thing to demonstrate a prototype product, but an entirely other thing to demonstrate how you actually plan to mass produce that product, which this is!

    Of course, it's yet another thing to actually produce your production equipment and drive adoption among manufacturers, but this announement is still one major step beyond most next-gen display announcements (SED, I'm looking at you...).
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  4. Re:Is this for lighting or displays? by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful

    a number of additional technology issues will still need to be worked out for OLED's to get widespread application usage...
    "Cheap" is a cure-all for a lot of applications. If I can swap in a new screen for $25 and 5 minutes (like a toner cartridge), then 10K hours isn't so low.
  5. Re:What Was the Cost? by Linux_ho · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they say they have a production process for making something in quantity, they probably do.

    The OP wasn't arguing that GE doesn't have the production process. He/she just wasn't convinced that the process was "a breakthrough." The photo I saw looked like the LEDs were about 1 inch square each, and the attached article suggested that they were about twice as efficient per lumen as incandescent lighting. The efficiency of incandescent lighting isn't exactly hard to beat.

    Would you consider a new process for manufacturing buggy whips to be a "breakthrough?" I'm not saying it's NOT a breakthrough, (obviously this could lead to amazing display technology) but I agree with the point the OP was trying to make: it would be nice to have more details.

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  6. green? by sentientbrendan · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It seems pretty silly to me that people think we are helping the environment by saving a few watts on our computer monitors. Meanwhile, billions of people are coming onto the grid and using coal power. It isn't even a drop in the ocean.

    I see people putting up a few solar panels here and there, maybe generating enough energy to take a fraction out of their air conditioning bill, and I wonder if they are stupid. Even if everyone in the united states did the same thing, or even the entire world did the same thing, the carbon output would still be rising because industry requires a phenomenal amount of energy that can't be supplied or even offset significantly by these sorts of technologies.

    These sorts of efforts are all about feeling good about the environment, while actually doing nothing to put a significant dent in the carbon output and reduce the damage that global warming will cause. Switching over to OLED monitors is kind of like spitting into a volcano to stop an eruption.

    The truth is that most of the green technologies being put forward today are just fashion statements and a distraction from the real solutions, and it is technically impossible to solve our real problems with them. Most carbon output comes from power generation and transportation. In order to make a dent, we need to switch almost entirely over to power sources that have no carbon output, and we need to make a major push to mass transit.

    Unfortunately, the issues get complicated in regards to power generation without carbon because the only existing technology that could replace all of our coal plants is nuclear power, and there isn't a lot of political will for nuclear power in the united states. Usually people put forward solar power, wind power, or biofuel as solutions, unfortunately, when you actually look at solar power and wind power, it is technically impossible to make a dent in our power output with these technologies because they only generate power a small percentage of the time, whereas power draw stays high 24/7. Biofuel production on the other hand actually generates more carbon than coal once you try to scale it up, and the government initiatives related to it are a huge fiasco.

    People keep waiting around for an easy solution to our problems, and one that makes them feel good. Unfortunately, that's not how life works, all of the solutions have downsides and all of them require us to make sacrifices. Sadly, it's pretty obvious that we're going to wait until the situation is much more desperate than it already is before making significant efforts at change.

  7. Re:Organic != 'Green' by polar+red · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem with that equation is in calculating the true cost of something. If you just use straight dollars, the equation doesn't work. For instance, if I were to choose a fuel for my car, I'd almost certainly choose gasoline because it is cheap - but it is hard to argue that pumping non-renewable toxic goo out of the ground, spending a ton of energy refining it, and then burning it is "ecological" :) It's also much cheaper in dollars to just burn coal without any kind of pollution scrubbing... Well, that's why I included a statement about offloading onto society ... putting toxins into the air certainly has a health cost ...
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