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Intel Confirms It Will Ship 160GB Flash Drives

Lucas123 writes "Intel has confirmed plans to ship a new line of solid-state drives for laptop and notebook PCs with storage capacities of 80GB to 160GB. While it did not lock in a ship date, Intel told Computerworld that the drives would be available in the second quarter. From the story: 'An aggressive move into the laptop and PC notebook flash disk drive business would catapult Intel into direct competition with hard drive manufacturers such as Toshiba Corp. and Samsung Electronics Co. that are trying to spark demand before their SATA-based offerings are released in the coming months.'"

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  1. Could we see an end to Magnetic Media? by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes Megnetic Media is cheaper then Solid state... But higher speeds and still its prices are falling fast too, battery power usage, less points of failure. It really seems like the way to go. I could see Magnetic Media go the way of the CRT in 10 years? I think it is possible. Unless Magnetic makes some Huge Improvement in capasity and also we get a hug increase in demmand in data. Because drive size has began starting to exceed our data storage needs (at least on a personal computer Level)

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    1. Re:Could we see an end to Magnetic Media? by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why do you think I gave it a 10 year span...

      I never stated that people will not be able to fill the drives but it is a case the demmand for space is less then the supply of space in general... Back in them olden days were drive size was in the 100s of Megabytes people were rather quickly filling up the drives with normal operations. This was true until drive size got over 40 Gigabytes. About 10 year ago... While drive size has increased we can still get by quite well with 40 Gig hard drive. Even with Vista Ultimate with Office 2003 and .NET 2008. This is the eqlivlant of in the year 2000 having windows 2000, Office 2000 and Visual Studio 6 running on a 512 Meg Drive... Our Demmand is actually less... Yes if you are going to some HD media (and most poeople don't... I don't... And I have a Mac too) It is really a special case of doing some unique work that normally you could afford to do with more... So Today except having a small array of 3 Terabyte Drives you will have a large array of 20 Solid State Drives. (expensive Yes) but doable and if the performance benefits help out it may be worth the cost... But as Flash Drive get cheaper and faster and larger I would predict that in 10 years The cost difference between Magnetic Drive and Flash Drives of the same size would be about $100 difference. ANd the gains would make it worth the extra cost.

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    2. Re:Could we see an end to Magnetic Media? by DrVomact · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I could see Magnetic Media go the way of the CRT in 10 years? I think it is possible. Unless Magnetic makes some Huge Improvement in capasity and also we get a hug increase in demmand in data.

      Sure, it's possible. Ten years leaves you a bit of wiggle room. But I'm skeptical...I think hard drives will still be around in 20 years. Heck...I'll bet on 100 years—I won't be around to pay up.

      The reason I am skeptical of announcements of the impending doom of magnetic drives is that I first heard it in...let me see...1982 or thereabouts. People were talking about the "inherent limitations" of magnetic drives, but it wasn't clear at that time what could possibly replace them. Of course, what happened is that magnetic drive technology has proven astoundingly resilient: we went from huge platters inside drive bays the size of a washing machine that collectively held maybe 2M to cheap standard-sized drives that hold half a terabyte (street price currently hovering around 100 inflated US dollars).

      Don't get me wrong: I'm excited about the idea of replacing the boot drive on my PC with a super-fast flash drive—once the price for an 80G flash-based drive gets down to under $200. However, I think magnetic drives will maintain their huge price-per-MB of storage space advantage over rival technologies for a long time to come. So the drives in my PC that hold my video and movies will still be magnetic. I just want fast boot times, and quick swapping. Notebooks are another story, of course—I think it's quite likely that most notebooks will no longer have magnetic drives in ten years.

      But for solid-state storage devices to make magnetic media drives completely obsolete, two things would have to happen:

      1. Magnetic drive technology would have to hit a capacity "wall"—a point at which it becomes more expensive to make a standard-size (fits in a PC bay) drive of X capacity than an equivalent solid state device.
      2. Manufacturing costs for solid state devices having X capacity can be brought down to the point where it's profitable to sell the product at a price consumers will pay.

      These two points are related of course; they boil down to saying that it's going to have to become darn cheap to make a huge solid state "drive", where "huge" will probably be defined in tens of terabytes.

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  2. Partition Filesystems by calebt3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What filesystem (NTFS, ext3, etc) is best for solid-state drives anyways? All of our commom filesystems are written for spinning drives, and certain features (such as ext3 self-defragmentation) probably shorten a flash drives lifespan.

    1. Re:Partition Filesystems by calebt3 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Exactly my point. Ext3 defragments itself automatically, which does more harm than good on a flash drive.

    2. Re:Partition Filesystems by amorsen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, really, they aren't. If you just read block 2000 from flash media, a subsequent read of block 2001 and a subsequent read of block 546725 execute in exactly the same amount of time. In the beginning, back in the days of interleave, hard drives were pretty close to random access. Tape drives had around the ratio of transfer speed to seek speed that hard drives have today. At one time RAM was truly random access as well, now reading the next byte is often more than 10 times faster than reading a random one. The same thing is happening to flash. Of course it will be decades before the problem will be as big as the one we have with hard drives now, but it will happen.
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  3. I'm an idiot by dj245 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But shouldn't these figures be some more convenient power of 2? Like 64GB (rounded) or 128GB?

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  4. Re:But can I afford them yet? by Pharmboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At the show in December, another article said:

    "In a short demonstration of an Intel solid-state drive at work in a laptop, Saleski showed that the drive could read and write 680MB of data and related storage in 24 seconds. The read and write speed of the solid state drive will be three to four times faster than that of most hard drives, and it will initially cost as much as three times as much as a hard drive, he said."

    If in a year they are twice the price of a regular hard drive, that is a bargain for some of us, if for no other reason that to use it as a swap drive for the OS and scratch drive for Photoshop. It would also making loading game levels much faster, so an 80gb version could make an affordable addition to a regular drive that has the OS.

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  5. Reason for using solid-state drives by pieterh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Disclaimer: I paid the extra $1,000 for a SSD with my MacBook Air, so I'm probably biased, but most notebooks I've owned has had disk drive issues. It seems part of the price to pay for portable computing. Maybe I'm just brutal with them. The HDDs used in iPods seem more robust but they're slower than normal notebook drives.

    The main value of an SSD in a notebook is therefore that the notebook will last longer and there is much less chance of losing data due to disk failure.

    Additionally, SSDs are a bit faster, and they're silent and use less power. They are also a little lighter, I assume.

    On the down side, they're really expensive and writing files is slower so I guess you want to have lots of RAM and avoid swapping.

    In 3 years they'll cost 10% of what they cost today, and they'll be in more than 50% of notebooks.

    I don't see the advantage of SSDs in desktops, where it's trivial and normal to have full backups, and where power consumption, noise, weight, etc. are less important.

    So it's a little inaccurate to see SSDs as direct competitors to HDDs, ultimately they address two distinct markets, high capacity vs. high reliability. SSDs are always going to be for secondary computers, and portable devices. Of course it's also true that these compete with desktops.

    1. Re:Reason for using solid-state drives by DamonHD · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hi,

      I'm here to quibble with "SSDs are always going to be for secondary computers, and portable devices."

      http://www.earth.org.uk/low-power-laptop.html

      I already use SSD (4GB SD card) as my primary Linux boot/main storage device to keep power consumption of my primary HTTP/SMTP/NTP/... Internet-facing server to under 20W. I also have a 160GB HDD, spun down as much as possible, for bulk data.

      If this 160GB drive had existed in the middle of last year when I speced the machine, I'd have had bought it like a shot to simplify life no end (and save a little more power). Laptop-mode - who needs it? (Actually it still might save a little power by batching and conflating operations, but much less I imagine.)

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  6. Re:Great. I buy a 160GB iPod and now they by iamhassi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "The 160 GB SSD is probably 1-5x the size of your ipod..."

    why do you say that? I can buy a 16gb flash drive for $60. Line 10 of those up and you have a 160gb flash drive for $600 that shouldn't be much bigger than a iPhone if you remove the unnecessary plastic and USB ports from the drives.

    Imagine a RAID0 array of ten 16gb flash drives! 200+ mByte/sec (ten x 20mB/sec) transfers and access times in nanoseconds vs hard drive milliseconds! No more bottlenecks.

    i for one welcome our new flash memory overlords!

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  7. I asked this same question on LKML 6 months ago by rcb1974 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Check our my post to the Linux Kernel Mailing List: http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/23/5 It drew a lot of responses from kernel developers.

  8. I'd love to join in with the insightful comments by Rosy+At+Random · · Score: 2, Interesting
    But I'm going to have to settle for relaying the chorus swamping my mind:

    ... Want! Want! Want! Want! Want! Want! Want! Want! Want! Want! Want! Want! ...

    Damn, but I could do with a nice .ogg-compatible portable player with one of those in.

    OK, look, I'll try and say something worth reading: it has annoyed me quite a bit lately that, as SSD-driven audio players have mostly dominated over HDD ones in the last few years, the high-end of the capacity spectrum has become quite sparse; a few iPods that don't play .ogg and some very big and expensive media players that do. All I want is a nice, small, fairly inexpensive-ish ~100Gb .ogg player! Now, will someone please make me look like an idiot by telling me where to get one?

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  9. Re:Proof by kestasjk · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It can be if you're keeping the OS on the drive. Parts of the system that are constantly written over, like the page file, can go through write cycles quickly. This is why you don't want to put an OS on a flash drive, but it's okay for storing normal chunky files.

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  10. Re:Great. I buy a 160GB iPod and now they by ATMD · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Could that be why music players tend to have flash storage, while most PCs still have hard drives?

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  11. Re:But can I afford them yet? by lagfest · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you're on a workstation, plugging in a few 8 or 16 GB ram modules might be better than using a photoshop scratch disk.

    /not affiliated with metaram btw.

  12. Representational Difference? by lullabud · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I surely trust a man who thinks that moving a comma in an integer signifies a change in actual value. Surely.

    ...about 10,0000 write cycles in 1994, rising to 100,000 in 1997.
  13. Re:Great. I buy a 160GB iPod and now they by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Music players tend to have flash drives because:
    • really low power consumption is rather important when your battery is the size of Bill Gate's Di...git.
    • It's only recently that flash drives have gotten big enough (4-20GB) for most people to seriously consider them as their primary computer storage device. 128KB, on the other hand is acceptable for storing your personal top-80 list (which is more than many music stations will play in a day.. modulo commercials).
    • It was only recently that hard drives got small enough to be able to fit in most MP3 players. Remember the ads about the guy with the 5 pound MP3 player? not too far from the truth if you use 5-year old HD solutions.
    • You write new songs {once a day ~ once a month}, then you listen to them {dozens ~ hundreds} of times. This read-mostly usage works just peachy with flash (which has to go through all sorts of contortions to be able to survive continual writes).
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