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JP Morgan's Insider Trading How-To On Wikileaks

An anonymous reader writes "In an internal JP Morgan document published recently, Wikileaks exposes JPM's efforts to circumvent insider trading regulations, enabling their wealthy clients to profit even when others are losing. The document reads like a how-to and explains how to take advantage of SEC Rule 10b5-1, which has long been considered ripe for abuse. Now this abuse is publicly documented and will be hard to ignore."

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  1. Re:Not a "leak" ? by esocid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It may not be confidential information but it is however informative about the prevalence of the sort of abuse that goes on with investing. You can't tell me that you were aware of such a blatant tool designed to aid with insider trading. It may be technically legal, but 100% unethical. And even more so for an investment firm to prepare a "how-to for dummies." I'm not sure how aware the SEC is of this problem, but that may get wind of it now if you weren't aware of it before.

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  2. Re:So what's the problem with insider trading anyw by FusionDragon2099 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The benefit of insider trading is information enters the markets quicker. That is good for me. Except for the part where information won't enter the market, as inside investors benefit more from withholding inside information as it profits them.
  3. Re:So what's the problem with insider trading anyw by TheLink · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You want the Casino (or a favored player) to be able to know what the next cards are before other people at the table?

    If there are other Casinos around, nobody will want to play at your "Milton Friedman approved" Casino.

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  4. Re:The loophole by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who said the lawmakers missed anything?

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  5. Re:Not a "leak" ? by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I even doubt that Wikileaks made it public;

    Please point us to other places this document can be found online.

    I mean, they must have some kind of advertisement or at least a publicly available description of this service, no?

    All documents on Wikileaks were distributed somewhere, I don't see what your point is.

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  6. Re:So what's the problem with insider trading anyw by evanbd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're missing the point. The act of trading inherently gives away information -- the information enters the market through the trade records.

    The fact that this is so is easy to determine from careful analysis of stock markets. Whether that makes insider trading any more or less ethical is left as an exercise for the reader...

  7. The Fundamental reason this is legal by Dr+Reducto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The fundamental problem is that the SEC made trading on insider information illegal, they didn't make "not trading" on insider information illegal, and that should never be made illegal.

    1. Re:The Fundamental reason this is legal by pitchpipe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      they didn't make "not trading" on insider information illegal, and that should never be made illegal.

      Maybe you didn't read how the whole thing works.

      They set up a trade to sell at such and such a date in the future. If they get hold of some inside information that is very bad for the company, they let the trade proceed. The SEC says it's OK because the sale was set up before the knowlege of the insider information. If all is A-OK with the company, they cancel the trade, and because there was no stock bought or sold, the SEC says it's OK.

      The scam is in the fact that the sale (or not) of the stock was influenced by insider information, but the SEC says it's OK whether they sell or no.

      Here is my bitch, because I don't have $BIGNUM to invest in individual securities and I also will probably not come into contact with insider info, it is inherently unfair. But more importantly, it lowers my confidence in the system, making me less likely to value this market over any other, maybe even value those markets more. I know that I'm just one guy, but if lots of people start to feel this way, then it devalues the securities that are traded on that market.

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  8. Re:No, you are missing the point by evanbd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'll agree that it's obvious, but not in the way you think. There's plenty of evidence that insider trading occurrs to at least a moderate degree, and not much evidence (as distinct from appeals to intuition) that it does more than minor harm to the market.

    The reasons why someone is selling stock are actually far less interesting than the fact that they're selling it. People regularly look to trade records for information, and don't ask why the trades occurred. Yes, the people with inside info profit from it -- but the information gets out when they do so, even if all the details don't.

    The amount of harm caused by this process is very unclear and a subject of much debate. I'm willing to believe it's non-zero (what can I say, the appeals to intuition work), but there's no evidence it's gigantic. And there's certainly no evidence of outside investors getting scared off by insider trading -- though there's plenty of evidence that they get scared off by bad management, as they should, but that's for other reasons. Pump and dump is a symptom of bad management...

    As I said before, I'll leave the ethics of insider trading to others. But I'm far from convinced there's more than minor harm resulting from it.

  9. Re:So what's the problem with insider trading anyw by TheLink · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah. My brain is not working.

    Anyway point is if players think the Casino isn't fair and there are too many players cheating they might go elsewhere.

    Yes I know a stockmarket isn't like a casino. The top stockmarkets don't operate for 24 hours all year :).

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  10. Re:I disagree by Hemogoblin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One last thing:

    Wikileaks implies that the slide saying "[we can] help insiders with the successful sale of restricted stock", is unethical and illegal. However, I believe that they are misunderstanding what the slide is saying: Rule 10b5 is a way for insiders who do NOT currently possess non-public information to legally sell/collar restricted stock. In other words, the SEC created a way for "innocent" restricted stockholders to liquidate and access some of the value in their portfolios, which JP Morgan is quite happy to help them do so.

    If the SEC could ever prove that someone with insider information was abusing one of these plans, they would come down on them like a ton of bricks.

  11. Re:Not a "leak" ? by afidel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would think that in general JP would have OTHER clients who are shareholders in the companies in question and so by facilitating a backdoor to insider trading they are unfairly enriching one client at the cost of another who happens to have insider information. This is exactly the situation that the insider trading regulations were written to eliminate.

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  12. Re:Not a "leak" ? by SerpentMage · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It does not mean anything if they don't comment. Here are possible scenarios for JPMorgan when confronted with the document.

    1) They don't comment, and people are saying, "this doesn't sound like very "ok" activity." Thus implied is that they are guilty.
    2) They say it is not theirs. People will comment on how this is spin.
    3) They say it is theirs, and as previously noted it's legal, yet people will say, "oh look how unethical JPMorgan is."

    In each of the scenarios JPMorgan is dammed so they take the route of not saying anything which is simplest from a legal perspective...

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  13. Re:Not a "leak" ? by ATMAvatar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or 4) They say it is theirs, demonstrate that it is legal, and use it as advertising. "We can game the rules to get you more money on your investments!"

    Not that many people care about ethics when presented when more money as the alternative - just look at corporations the world over who will circumvent and even break the law, calling it merely a cost of doing business.

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  14. Re:Not a "leak" ? by nolife · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This situation is no more unethical than Mercedes or Volvo building a "safer" automobile that is only available to those wealthy enough to afford it

    It is not the same at all. When the insider takes advantage of this inside information, the money or advantage is not created out of thin air, it comes from the other investors that did not have that inside advantage. This is not paying more for something better like your car example. This is using information that others will not find out about until a future date.

    The second problem is that it is JP Morgan's fiduciary duty to offer the best product available to its clients, including taking advantage of the specifics of SEC regulations,

    Wrong again. I don't think JP Morgans only "clients" are only a few people with inside information. What about JP Morgans other clients? Help a few and screw over every other client they have? Not quite fiduciary duty.

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  15. If I may... by aleph42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I may...

    You had the energy to read the pdf three times, and you sound pretty sure that you found a problem in the current version of the Wikileak page, based on factual and verifiable information... that's the perfect oportunity to edit that article!

    If you're not sure, "be bold" (a wikipedia guideline: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold): edit it anyway, but add some explanations to the discussion thread (actually, your slashdot post would be perfect for that).

    Remember, a wiki is that cool thing were a spotted mistake is a corrected one!

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