Apple Mulls Flat-Rate "Unlimited Music" Option
Mike writes "Apple is in discussions with the big music companies about an 'all you can eat' model for buying music that would give customers free access to its entire iTunes music library in exchange for paying a premium for its iPod and iPhone devices. Finally, it looks like the industry (or at least Apple) is 'getting it'. The real question is not whether the big music companies will go for it, but rather, who will be the first one to get smart and agree to offer it?"
my purchase does not "expire". I want to own my music. And if it doesn't expire and I can get unlimited songs, just how expensive would this premium be? I expect it would be significant.
..who has never paid for any music from iTunes, this is one hook that I would consider biting (besides the hardware I'm already stuck with)
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"free access to its entire iTunes music library in exchange for paying"
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
But I don't know if it will fly, but then again, with a proper payment model to the record labels I think they may take it. I could see them say yes to having a song or album put into the unlimited use catagory once it is 6 months or a year old or something like that. I don't see them agreeing to this with new releases since that kind of is their bread & butter, find the next big thing, sell the krap out of it and move on. Apple is a big player in the music industry but I don't think they have enough power to force the record companies into anything.
The real question is not whether the big music companies will go for it, but rather, who will be the first to one get smart and agree to offer it?
I disagree. Big companies still supply the music. The ITunes store would go out of business overnight of all of the labels pulled their songs from it. There are still some indie bands out there, but in terms of sheer scale, the big companies still hold many of the cards. Granted, it would be foolish of them to cut up a revenue stream, but the big companies still have the product to sell, and their input should not be dismissed.
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I will NEVER give any one company the power to switch off my entire music or movie collection with the push of a button, or because of a computer error, or because their company went bankrupt or got sold.
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You can use that term when they have DRM free content.
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We've all seen this before, and it doesn't work. Nobody wants to pay for all you can eat when it isn't. If you are paying monthly for permanent access to their entire library going forward, lets talk. I'd pay 100 bucks for that.
But to pay 100 bucks to use it "unlimited" as long as you are DRM'd? No thanks.
"Finally, it looks like the industry (or at least Apple) is 'getting it'"
Apple has the most successful internet music distribution system available. From the millions of iPods sold to the billions of songs sold on iTunes. And needless to say, everyone else who has tried the "all you can eat" music pricing model has failed.
So please inform me exactly what Apple is finally getting! Thanks. I won't be holding my breath.
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that got dropped out of the summary, "may". Its still rumor at this point, maybe you shouldn't be trying to pass it off as fact.
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WTF are they talking about?
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Since the average iPod owner buys about 20 tracks from the iTunes, Apple wants to make the premium about $20, arguing that it should cover the average consumer's downloads.
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I think this is a bit naive (and I don't think it's Steve Jobs): people tend to eat more at a smorgasbord than if they have to pay for each entree, and this effect would be even greater when they have room for thousands of entrees in their digital stomachs.
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I never saw the big deal about not "owning" your music. As long as I get to listen to the music I want to when I want to, I don't care who owns or doesn't own it, so I'm perfectly happy with my unlimited subscription to Napster. That's the one thing that's always kept me from buying an iPod- I like to be legal about things, but I don't want to pay $.99 a song to do it. If they were to offer a subscription or even a one-time pay $100-$200 thing for unlimited music forever, I know I'd be all over that, and I'd be purchasing my very first Apple product.
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Entitled to something!? Are you kidding me? Entitled to a middle finger up their ass maybe. Certainly not entitled to stealing the profits of another company's successful product.
I'm not sure it's Apple that's thinking about this but rather the Music companies trying to push this on Apple. What they'd really want is a monthly fee from you every month of every year for the rest of your life. Oh and if you decide to stop paying, well then you're shit out of luck. Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick with paying for the music I want once and keeping it forever.
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What would stop me from getting an unlimited account for one month, downloading the entire iTunes catalog, and then canceling the service?
Even if they DRM the music I can still stream rip it. I mean after all, the data still has to be transmitted to me and stored on an iPod somehow.
I hate to say this because I know it sounds kind of bad, but it's because then you'd be a sucker, and your only buying in ipod just for the sake of having an ipod. If your doing it that way, then buy a diffrent mp3 play and don't pay as much riaa tax.
The music labels already don't care very much for Apple and its iPod + iTunes monopoly. They are losing control of paid distribution (never mind P2P) to their new gatekeeper and key master, Steve Jobs. The following quote is excerpted from an article posted earlier today, How Apple Got Everything Right By Doing Everything Wrong
But not everyone sees Apple's all-or-nothing approach in such benign terms. The music and film industries, in particular, worry that Jobs has become a gatekeeper for all digital content. Doug Morris, CEO of Universal Music, has accused iTunes of leaving labels powerless to negotiate with it. (Ironically, it was the labels themselves that insisted on the DRM that confines iTunes purchases to the iPod, and that they now protest.) "Apple has destroyed the music business," NBC Universal chief Jeff Zucker told an audience at Syracuse University. "If we don't take control on the video side, [they'll] do the same." At a media business conference held during the early days of the Hollywood writers' strike, Michael Eisner argued that Apple was the union's real enemy: "[The studios] make deals with Steve Jobs, who takes them to the cleaners. They make all these kinds of things, and who's making money? Apple!"
The labels have already locked themselves into Steve's golden iHandcuffs with DRM on the iPod + iTunes platform with fixed price songs so they will be very careful before they give over even more power to Apple to run their business, or what is left of it anyway. I do not see them agreeing to a monthly subscription for the entire iTunes catalogs, such a move would signal complete and utter desperation on the part of the music labels.
Rhapsody is an all-you-can-eat music service. I have Rhapsody and I love it.
Rhapsody costs $12-$15 a month (depending on your options), and you can listen to the music as long as you keep paying the monthly fee. If Apple can actually talk the big labels into granting unlimited lifetime downloads of music, that you can keep, for $20... I'll be stunned. That's a huge value there. Even at $80 that's a huge value.
I could see the labels going for a $20-per-iPod tax, maybe. I can't see them going for a special model that costs $20 extra. You just know that anyone who buys the $20 extra model is going to actually use the service. Maybe the statistics show that currently the average customer buys $20 worth of songs, but this all-you-can-eat plan slices away any future chance of that dollar amount going up. We're talking about an industry that is pricing CDs at $20... can Apple really get them to do this?
P.S. If you have never tried an all-you-can-eat music service, I suggest you try the two-week free trial for Rhapsody. You will probably see the appeal. It's easy and fun to find new music. Sometimes I don't make up my mind whether I like something until I play it all the way through a few times; it's nice to be able to do that.
http://learn.rhapsody.com/
Disclaimer: I don't work for Rhapsody but I do work for the company that owns it.
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The problem is that once you make it unlimited, a small but not insignificant percentage of users will immediately attempt to download the entire iTunes library. Hey, disk space is cheap, why not try, if there's no additional charge per track?
The only way this might work is if Apple doesn't have to pay even 1 cent to the record companies per download for people who download tracks under the unlimited plan. At least that way their only cost bandwidth.
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Playing this out to its logical (but not necessarily intended or ethical) conclusion in Canada...
1. The Canadian Copyright Act allows one to make a copy, for personal use, of someone else's music.
2. There is no DMCA equivalent to prevent the breaking of DRM in Canada.
3. For the cost of an iPod plus the $20 Apple buffet fee, a single pioneering Canuck could download infinite iTunes.
4. The other 31,000,000 Canadians could leech his entire music collection for free.
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Does anyone else remember when eMusic offered a flat-rate all-you-can-eat service? I found myself listening to a huge variety of music I'd ordinarily avoid, like jazz and blues. It's a very nice way to sample a lot of music and honestly a 30 second clip *is not* a reliable way to review unfamiliar music (or genres).
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Everyone commenting on this thread should state whether they have downloaded music or movie content, within the last 30 days, from a source not authorized by the producer of the content. This disclosure should be made without qualifications or caveats (i.e. "I only downloaded it to sample" or "I intend to buy it later" still count as unauthorized d/l's).
It's just my hunch, but the free as in freedom or beer advocates are just worried about paying for something that they used to get with a five finger discount.
My disclosure: I have not downloaded content from an unauthorized source.
Even though, like the parent, I'm a CD buyer and have never paid for a single downloaded, I was understanding your argument until you reached this point.
People have always shared music. No, I don't consider that it's acceptable that "sharing" on the scale of Bittorrent or Usenet happens and I have over 1200 original CDs in my collection that proves I'm more than happy to pay a fair price for a good piece of music.
However, by purchasing a CD, I reserve the (very important to me) right to play it to a group of friends or lend it to them if they want to hear it in the comfort of their own homes. The music industry might even benefit from another CD sale or two.
I also reserve the right to format change that music in whatever way I please - what I do with that CD for myself is none of the music industry's / RIAA's / BPI's business and they know it; that's why nobody's ever been taken to court for ripping their own CDs.
DRM stops those rights I've reserved - I can't (practically) lend it to someone else to listen to and I can't format change it either. Plus I no longer own anything, I just "rent" it.
If there was a protection system for music such that you could do anything with it apart from upload it to the Internet, it wouldn't bother me. I might even support it on the basis that if I take the trouble to buy every CD, why should a whole load of other people get it for free?
Unfortunately, DRM does that but also affects me. Some of the reasons I buy music for are taken away with DRM. So not only do I have to accept that even though I don't copy music for other people, I am treated like someone who does, but also some of the reasons I buy music for in the first place are taken away from me. Plus, with DRM, if someone somewhere deems that I've listened to the music for long enough or enough times, they can use DRM to just stop me listening to it until I pay more money. (I believe the Mafia used to have a similar policy with small businesses and protection money and they were criminalised as a result.)
So please stop being so naive - if you pay for music, DRM is bad. It may be being touted as a weapon against piracy but, as usual, it's real use is to target the honest saps like you and me that already pay for our music and squeeze a bit more money out of us - that's it's prime goal.
Don't support DRM and don't buy DRM-ed products because ultimately all you are doing is making music a whole lot more expensive and restrictive for you.
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