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Wireless Auction Ends With Mixed Feelings

Macworld is reporting that the conclusion of the wireless auction has ended with many participants having mixed feelings. While bigger companies hailed it as a success, including Google who didn't actually bid to win but was able to get open access rules introduced, many smaller companies were left feeling that they were doomed from the start. "A former mail carrier, McBride has been trying his luck at FCC auctions since 1996. He said new rules for the auction favored large companies with deep pockets. For example, the FCC shortened the amount of time that the winners would have to build their networks. "All that did was prevent small businesses from coming in. They were scared of the build-out requirements," he said."

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  1. Reminds me... by downix · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I remember the US Army contract index had this little requirement for some filing cabinets to have "three letter names in the (can't recall) font" which of course limited the contracts to just IBM... until Commodore renamed itself Commodore Business Machines (CBM) and Digital became DEC.

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    1. Re:Reminds me... by Dr.+Cody · · Score: 1

      If you have a source on this, I'd love to pass it around.

    2. Re:Reminds me... by downix · · Score: 1

      Just something my father (former DEC employee) used to tell me.

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    3. Re:Reminds me... by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      I remember the US Army contract index had this little requirement for some filing cabinets to have "three letter names in the (can't recall) font" which of course limited the contracts to just IBM... until Commodore renamed itself Commodore Business Machines (CBM) and Digital became DEC. That's pretty much how earmarks and appropriations work.

      Instead of naming a specific contractor/company, the law is written to include requirements that exclude everyone but your intended recipient. It's one of the maneuvers that makes sorting through spending bills so difficult
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    4. Re:Reminds me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For what possible reason would IBM, Commodore, and Digital want to sell filing cabinets to the US Army?

    5. Re:Reminds me... by downix · · Score: 1

      If you have to ask this, then you would never understand the answer.

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    6. Re:Reminds me... by bofkentucky · · Score: 1

      Our phone company used to do this all the time, the bid spec would call for a 350ci/5.7L engine, which GMC and Chevy were happy to provide but ford's 351/5.8 and dodge's 360/5.9 need not apply.

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    7. Re:Reminds me... by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      They cost $20 to make and the Army buys them for $5000 apiece.

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  2. Sometimes, the tortoise gets hit by a car by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 1

    In the old fable, the tortoise won the race because it was slow but steady. The hare lost because although it was fast, it was also prone to take breaks.

    In today's world, the hare is motorized and is about 1000 time larger than the tortoise.

    If you're going to bet on one of them, bet on the hare. The FCC isn't stupid, they know who is going to do productive things with the airwaves

    1. Re:Sometimes, the tortoise gets hit by a car by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The FCC isn't stupid, they know who is going to do productive things with the airwaves

      Which is kind of a silly remark. The hares in the U.S. (i.e. the big cellular outfits) have done far less with the spectrum they have than their counterparts in other countries. The very last people I want in charge of our rate of progress are the goddamn Telcos, whose sole motivation is to squeeze any threatening innovators out of the market, and then squeeze their existing infrastructure (and us!) for every last drop of blood. That's precisely what this auction was all about, no more and no less. I'm glad the Google got those open access rules in place for some pieces of spectrum, but the reality is that the Telcos know they can pretty much just ignore it and do business as usual. The Feds have teeth, true, but when it comes to the telephone companies they refuse to bite.

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    2. Re:Sometimes, the tortoise gets hit by a car by eln · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think that fits in this case. The smaller companies are more nimble and can adapt faster. So, they are the hare. The large companies are still slow to change and can't get anything done quickly, so they are the tortoise. The only difference now is, rather than winning because the hare is lazy and overconfident, the tortoise wins by using its vast resources to buy itself a race car and hiring goons (ie, the government) to break the hare's legs before the race starts.

    3. Re:Sometimes, the tortoise gets hit by a car by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      If you're going to bet on one of them, bet on the hare. The FCC isn't stupid, they know who is going to do productive things with the airwaves

      Well if the FCC, federal government really, wants productivity then they'd allow the airwaves to be open, homesteaded, instead of licensed. Prior to the creation of the Federal Radio Commission(FRC) in 1927, which became the Federal Communications Commission(FCC) in 1934, the airwaves were homesteaded, ie if someone in a given area started broadcasting on a specific frequency before someone else did they established a legal right to use that frequency in that area. The FRC was created in an era of scarcity of airwaves however with today's technology that scarcity doesn't exist. Ten tymes as many radio stations could exist without interfering with each other today.

      Falcon
  3. I didn't win either by heroine · · Score: 4, Funny

    I didn't win but I wanted open access. Why isn't everyone who didn't win but wanted open access a hero?

    1. Re:I didn't win either by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny


      I didn't win either (Score:2)
      by heroine (1220) Alter Relationship on Friday March 21, @10:37AM (#22821638) Homepage
      I didn't win but I wanted open access. Why isn't everyone who didn't win but wanted open access a hero?


      They have a different word for female heros.

    2. Re:I didn't win either by moderatorrater · · Score: 1

      Perhaps because you and those like you weren't the main driver for getting that open access. Google petitioned to get the requirement put into the FCC rules, then bid large amounts of money to see it happen. It was a very smart move for Google and they had the bulk to pull it off. If only I had a few billion dollar to throw behind my causes. *sigh*

    3. Re:I didn't win either by mweather · · Score: 1

      How much did you bid? You didn't? Well, there is your answer.

    4. Re:I didn't win either by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      Could be worse. At least you are not an hero.

    5. Re:I didn't win either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wanted open access, too. The American public, who owned the frequencies, lost. We quite literally got, "sold out." Now we can pay some company for the use of what we owned. And if we find we need those frequencies for our country's use in the future, we can rent them back for a huge net loss. Brilliant bastar*s.

  4. Breaking News! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Auctions favour those with more money at hand!

    News at 11.

  5. Who? by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 2, Funny

    >A former mail carrier, McBride has been trying his luck at FCC auctions since 1996.

    Darl, is that you?
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    1. Re:Who? by Shagg · · Score: 1

      They're complaining that the auction favored the highest bidder. Yeah, that sounds like Darl's intellectual level.

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    2. Re:Who? by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      >A former mail carrier, McBride has been trying his luck at FCC auctions since 1996.

      Darl, is that you?

      That was my first thought too.

      Falcon
  6. duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the auction favored large companies with deep pockets What would they expect? this was basically a public bribery scheme...
  7. who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what if this small guy couldn't compete like he wanted to? This bandwidth and the rules associated are for the public good. Should he get some special treatment because he doesn't have super deep pockets? How is that good for me? I mean, doesn't that just mean I have to wait longer for technology that will do me good and that successful rollout is at a higher risk since who knows if this small company can survive the implementation financially?

  8. so? by ILuvRamen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Who would want a small company to win a part of the spectrum? By definition, they wouldn't be able to use it universally for all Americans. If some New York only company bought it and never spread across the country or took 10 years to expand that large, the entire rest of the country wouldn't be able to use it immediately. But nationwide cellphone companies can implement it immediately to increase quality and number of available connections to a single tower for just about everyone everywhere. That's even important for when cell towers fail from too much traffic when everyone gets on their cell after an emergency like a natural disaster. That's way better than some company nobody's heard of making 10,000 wireless routers and tunrning great profits but effectively only being able to offer their product to 0.001% of America because of their limited size. That's like being a small patent troll company and sitting on some wonderful technology and not letting anyone else use it. Too bad cell companies are evil, greedy bastards.

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    1. Re:so? by Bieeanda · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I agree totally. A small company in this situation is going to end up doing one of three things:

      a) Roll out to a truly miniscule coverage area, probably bankrupting themselves when they're overlooked in favour of one that isn't a hare-brained startup scheme

      b) garnish themselves with parsley and those little chef-hats you always see on turkeys in cartoons, and hope that one of the big carriers will buy them out for a princely sum

      c) Lie in wait like a patent troll, then threaten to sue someone for trespassing on their section of spectrum, probably in the hopes of an even bigger payoff.

    2. Re:so? by PJ1216 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i'm not sure, but i believe you license it by region, so your first reason is flawed (assuming i'm right, though). and nationwide cellphone companies will can *not* implement it *immediately*. they can implement it fairly quickly. definitely much more quickly than a small company, but not immediately. also, your reasoning that the person who can help the most people should get a specific resource is also faulty. if thats the case, we should take any spectrum ANY small provider has and give it to the biggest cell phone company in the country. it'd help more people that way.

      Nonetheless, I agree with you that it is better for everyone. I just don't think small companies should automatically be shoved out of the way. the big companies would win in the end anyway cause the small ones still won't be able to outbid them.

    3. Re:so? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot "d) go bankrupt and sell the spectrum to a large company without every paying the government for it". I was all in favor of the small company bias in a previous auction, but after NextWave effectively stole spectrum from the tax payer, I've entirely switch sides. It's obvious the FCC did to and won't make that mistake again.

    4. Re:so? by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Who would want a small company to win a part of the spectrum? By definition, they wouldn't be able to use it universally for all Americans.

      Except not all of the airwaves auctioned off were nationwide. Some of those auctions were for specific locations, like NYC.

      Falcon
    5. Re:so? by kd3bj · · Score: 1
      Who would want a small company to win a part of the spectrum? By definition, they wouldn't be able to use it universally for all Americans.


      "What's good for General Motors is good for the country."

      I can think of zillions of product ideas that a small company could develop and market that require spectrum allocation. And small companies are where true innovation comes from. Innovation breeds competition and competition benefits everyone. On the other hand, what benefits big companies largely benefits only the stockholders in those big companies.

      Personally, I think the concept of owning spectrum is bankrupt. It's an early 20th century holdover from days when frequency multiplexing was the only technology available. The FCC should move to a different model where no one monopolistic entity controls the airwaves.

  9. Auctions by Freeside1 · · Score: 0

    Maybe my definition of 'auction' is wrong, but I thought that all auctions favored deep pockets, regardless of attached rules.
    Can a former mail carrier really bring the $ to the table to beat Verizon?

  10. Do you think they will simply not use it? by erroneus · · Score: 1

    See, "they" (Big Communications) were rather afraid of what Google might do with it. It would mean a LOT of changes to them, not to mention unpredictable competition.

    But now that these spectrum have been sold to them, might they then be inclined to simply NOT use it? After all, they are not going to be able to use it in a way they want to. And they have succeeded in preventing their worst fears from coming to light. It would be rather typical of them to sit on their hands and do nothing now that they've got what they want. They don't have to make changes or improvements to continue growing and making money. All they have to do is what they've always done.

    I'd be a little surprised if they didn't find a way around the "open access" rules or used the spectrum they paid for.

    1. Re:Do you think they will simply not use it? by PJ1216 · · Score: 1

      i'm pretty sure they're required to use it within a certain timeframe.

    2. Re:Do you think they will simply not use it? by religious+freak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think explaining to Wall Street why you just plunked down $19 billion for something you're not using would be a pretty tough sell.

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    3. Re:Do you think they will simply not use it? by erroneus · · Score: 1

      Wall Street doesn't have much in the way of a short term memory, let alone a long term memory. (If they did, it would be evidenced by their learning from their mistakes which they never seem to do.)

    4. Re:Do you think they will simply not use it? by erroneus · · Score: 1

      Since when do big companies do what they are 'required' to do if they believe it's in their best interests not to? Stalling tactics would likely come into play there... 'new technology testing and development' could take about as long as you can imagine... and longer.

    5. Re:Do you think they will simply not use it? by PJ1216 · · Score: 1

      well, they had to agree to a time frame to even be allowed to bid. if they say they can't do it, they shouldn't have agreed in the first place. if they do that, they should take away the license (probably won't happen). so yea, this might happen. THOUGH, it'd really only be in their best interest to not use the c-block with the open access restrictions. even then, its a trade off. the c-block spectrum is great at penetrating walls, etc. so, to not use it, sucks. however, if they DO decide to not use it, i wouldn't be surprised to see Google get all huffy puffy about it. i have a feeling too many eyes will be on the c-block spectrum for them to do anything shady with it.

    6. Re:Do you think they will simply not use it? by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      Because you just paid $19 billion to ensure that no one else uses it, either.

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    7. Re:Do you think they will simply not use it? by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      But now that these spectrum have been sold to them, might they then be inclined to simply NOT use it?

      I could see a lawsuit if they didn't use the airwaves. As an example if I were a stockholder in one of these companies and it didn't try to use the license they won to create a market then I'd be tempted to sue, instead of paying billions of dollars they could have paid me a dividend. Though not always shareholder activism can get things done.

      Falcon
  11. Mixed feelings? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    Wireless Auction Ends With Mixed Feelings

    Let's see now. I kinda like Google better since they got those open-access rules in ... and I still hate the Telcos.

    Yep, mixed it is.

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  12. Aha by chemindefer · · Score: 1

    "A former mail carrier, McBride has been trying his luck at FCC auctions since 1996." Nice try, Darl.
  13. Who cares? by morphizm · · Score: 1

    Small or large is missing the point. The point as I see it is that the same telecoms that own the pipes now own the waves. If you want to extricate yourself from a relationship with them, who are you going to turn to? Am I going to have to move to the PacNorth and set up a Clearwire account? Weak sauce.

  14. Really? by Yaa+101 · · Score: 1

    Like anything in the US, it's fixed to serve the rich, what else is new?

    1. Re:Really? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Like anything in the US, it's fixed to serve the rich, what else is new?

      Why pick on us? Like everything else in the world it's fixed to serve the rich, and will always be fixed to serve the rich. At least the Founders made more of an attempt to serve the citizen than most. But that time is over, I can agree to that.

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  15. Speculation by Guppy · · Score: 1

    For example, the FCC shortened the amount of time that the winners would have to build their networks. "All that did was prevent small businesses from coming in. They were scared of the build-out requirements," he said." It probably also prevents speculators with no intention of building a network from camping on bandwidth in hopes of flipping it for a profit.

    1. Re:Speculation by Crazy+Taco · · Score: 1

      I agree. I think that's the most reasonable thing I've read yet. Think of it as the anti-patent troll measure, only on the airwaves.

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  16. Trying to avoid the Nextwave fiasco. by R2.0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In 95-96, the FCC bid out a bunch of frequencies, and there were special Congressional mandates to allow "small businesses" to compete - mainly, very little deposit. Nextwave bought up a whole lot of licenses, and other companies did as well. Then the market took a downturn, and the value of the licenses dropped, and a lot of the participants declared bankruptcy. In Nextwave's case, the FCC "repossessed" the licenses for non-payment, but it was reversed by the court, and Nextwave was given relief. Then the business cycle turned again, and the licenses were worth 3x as much as Nextwave paid for them. The speculation was that they were going to sell them off for an insane profit. The word around the communications industry was they were really just a shell company and never intended to build, just to sell them off later. It looks like they kept the frequencies and are rolling out WiMax on it - *10 YEARS* after the frequencies were auctioned.

    The construction provisions are there to make sure that the spectrum actually gets used and not held as an investment. In addition, most S/W/DBE's that get involved in government doings are a fraud: 50.5% of the company is "owned" by a woman, who just happens to be the wife of the CEO and owner of the other 49.5%. Or construction "general contractors" who hire's a "prime subcontractors" - i.e the real general contractor - to do 100% of the scope. Their price to the government? The price that the GC bid plus 1%. So on a $10,000,000 Baltimore City school job, some guy sitting in an office made $100,000, never set foot on site, and never dealt with the city or the other subcontractors.

    There is a Nextwave in existence now, but if the WiMax service they are

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  17. Re:Slashdot Users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would never socialize with a Slashdot user. Never, never, never. Sorry guys :/ Yet you still continue to show up here and post that same stupid message over and over again.

    You only have yourselves to blame. You only have yourselves to thank. There, fixed that for you, retard.
  18. I will tell you something by Gizzmonic · · Score: 1

    Many of my relationships end with mixed feelings as well!

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    1. Re:I will tell you something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many of my relationships end with mixed feelings as well!

      You mean sadness and devastation for you, and relief and jubilation for the other party?

  19. How long do the licenses last? by JSBiff · · Score: 1

    First, let me point out that it appears you accidentally submitted before you had finished the full text of your post. It just kind of ends mid-sentence.

    Anyhow, I've wondered, are spectrum auctions time-limited, or for posterity? If I were the government, I'd only auction spectrum for like 10 (well, maybe 15, because forcing companies to be in a situation where they must build a network, recover the costs, and make a profit in only 10 years might be a bit too short of a time) years at a time, then recover the spectrum rights after that time to either re-auction, or potentially do something else with.

    1. Re:How long do the licenses last? by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Anyhow, I've wondered, are spectrum auctions time-limited, or for posterity? If I were the government, I'd only auction spectrum for like 10 (well, maybe 15, because forcing companies to be in a situation where they must build a network, recover the costs, and make a profit in only 10 years might be a bit too short of a time) years at a time, then recover the spectrum rights after that time to either re-auction, or potentially do something else with.

      It's relatively easy to fix it so a company can make a profit. Require the buyer to show they are building a system say within 2 years then have periods of tyme wherein they have to show progress. If they don't make the required progress then the airwaves revert can to the FCC. If however they do build it then the clock starts and they get that 10 years.

      Personally I oppose the FCC and licensing, instead I believe that like in the beginning of broadcasting the airwaves should be homesteaded.

      Falcon
  20. Suggestion of a new way of auctioning spectrum by JSBiff · · Score: 1


          I doubt my idea will ever be heard by anyone in power, or if it were, taken seriously but. . . wireless spectrum is kind of a public resource. Because, of course, bandwidth is relatively limited, there does need to be some sort of regulation of the spectrum, and generally, I think the FCC has done a pretty good job of that. But, these spectrum auctions bother me somewhat. They basically come down to an agreement between the arbiter of monopoly power (the Government/FCC) and private parties to charge the public the maximum amount of money possible to use the spectrum, which is, as I mentioned, a public resource - the government has no 'inherent' claim to it, only the claim that they assert by power (police/military - the power to bust down your door, seize equipment, and throw people in jail).

          Because, a highest-bidder auction guarantees that whoever bids the most will have to charge the most to customers in order to cover their 'costs'. In any other area of business, US law forbids monopolies from price gouging. But in wireless communications, the government grants a monopoly to whatever organization wins the bid.

          I think the FCC, in future auctions, should try to use a different model for bidding: service price bidding. That is, you award the auction to whatever company agrees to the lowest price to customers for the services provided on that spectrum. Admittedly, this is a *much* more difficult way to run an auction, because it could be hard to figure out exact price equivalencies for different types of services. Maybe you define a standard of like a khz/second, similar to how electricity is rated, which would ignore the specific service being offered on a segment of spectrum, and instead defines the price charged to end users based on how much bandwidth is used by their communications per second of time. I suppose even that could be difficult because some companies might offer un-metered services, like the all-you-can talk for $100/mo plans that Cell-carriers are currently rolling out (even that, though, I think could still be broken down to a khz/second price, based on the average number of minutes per month that the carriers expect users to actually be talking - and which could later be compared against actual usage data across the entire pool of users).

            I don't know for sure what the answer is, but the idea of a highest-bidder auction for spectrum just doesn't sit well with me as a citizen and tax payer. I just think it's corrupt, and doesn't serve the public as well as it should, because it simply drives prices up. Sure, the government gets additional revenue, which theoretically could be used for the public good. But yeah, I've seen how well my government usually spends my money. I doubt we'll see any tax rate reductions from this revenue (compared to the Federal Budget, I think the money brought in by the auction is fairly puny, anyhow), so the money will probably just be spent on pork-barrel projects for well-connected companies with friends in Congress and the Executive Branch, anyhow).

    1. Re:Suggestion of a new way of auctioning spectrum by Bombula · · Score: 1
      The spirit of your idea is commendable, but in practice it is difficult to motivate any major for-profit enterprise to voluntarily lower its prices. There would have to be a direct line to profit in doing so, otherwise it just isn't going to happen. I can't think of any way to keep profit in the equation while lowering prices other than flat-out government subsidy, and the last thing you want is the government providing more corporate welfare.

      The obvious solution is to remove profit from the equation. As for how, well, that's the tricky part.

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    2. Re:Suggestion of a new way of auctioning spectrum by Orestesx · · Score: 1

      Why wouldn't this work? He's not trying to get companies to voluntarily reduce prices. It's essentially the same thing as an auction...He just wants the gov't to say "We will give the rights to this spectrum to the company who's proposal is best." instead of "We will give the rights to this spectrum to the company who gives us the most money."

      It's really simple actually, break it down by state. Then you collect the proposals, draw up some contracts. Maybe you could even have a vote (gasp!) about which service gets selected. I think it's brilliant, and it is a better use of a public resource.

    3. Re:Suggestion of a new way of auctioning spectrum by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1
      I don't think he's suggesting removing profit; he's suggesting they compete on having the smallest margin.

      it is difficult to motivate any major for-profit enterprise to voluntarily lower its prices
      Happens all the time, when there's competition. The difference is that they'd be competing at bid time, rather than month by month.

      I think it's a clever idea. JSBiff for FCC chairman.

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    4. Re:Suggestion of a new way of auctioning spectrum by JSBiff · · Score: 1

      To add to Orestex's reply, I'd like to add that you have to keep one thing in mind - in the scheme I propose, I would expect that either the companies would pay no license fees at all (since the idea is to auction based on best proposal) or a relatively small, flat licensing fee (something significantly cheaper than the current auction rates).

      Since none of the companies would have to build the cost of a $6 billion bid into their pricing, they can offer a proposal that is $6 billion cheaper. There's still room for profit since they aren't giving such massive sums of money to the government.

      I want to add one more thing to my suggestion, however. That is, the proposal should not only take money into consideration (though that should be a significant part of the consideration). It should also take into account factors such as what type of service is being proposed on that spectrum. If in a particular region, there are already 3 or more mobile-phone companies operating, I'd rather see the spectrum allocated to, e.g. a new wireless TCP/IP data service for computing devices, or some other innovative new use for spectrum, rather than more of the same. So, some kind of weighting should be given to proposals that introduce new service, or introduce new competitors into an insufficiently competitive market.

      Yeah, Ok, so it's getting even more complex. I still think that if people wanted to make it work, someone could come up with some very smart solutions for some of these problems. Maybe the answer is like Orestex suggested - have committees at the state level review proposals, with the criteria I mentioned in mind, and let them vote. The only problem I foresee with that is that, well, committees have known to be corrupted by powerful interests, to serve their own agendas at the expense of the public, so I'm kind of reluctant to let politicians or appointees make such decisions.

    5. Re:Suggestion of a new way of auctioning spectrum by Bombula · · Score: 1
      Probably you've not worked in a contract bidding environment before. Awarding contracts to the lowest bidder is usually a recipe in disaster, whether for a goods or for a services order. If you're NYC and you want a new bridge built, for example, do you just automatically award the contract ot the lowest bidder? Of course not. Why? Because companies underbid and lowball each other to get the job, then get halfway through and say, "sorry, we need more money." Then what do you do? You're stuck. You have to hire the company that you really think is going to get the job done best. A tiny three man firm that bids $10,000 to refurbish the entire Brooklyn Bridge is probably not going to be able to get the job done. Similar logic applies to the idea mentioned in the above post about the investment required to adequately serve the market using the bands available at auction, and that's one reason why the idea probably wouldn't work.

      The other big reason I mentioned already is that there is not going to be motivation for companies to lower their prices as long as profit is in the equation. The parent poster did say it was about pricing, since the main criteria for 'best' proposal was outlines as the one that is cheapest for consumers.

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    6. Re:Suggestion of a new way of auctioning spectrum by Bombula · · Score: 1

      Again, the spirit of your ideas is commendable, but you're getting away from what the intention of a public auction is. In the latest round of complexity you've introduced, you're essentially suggesting that instead of companies bidding on a public resource they would like to use, they are instead bidding on a government contract - in this case, the government wants consumers to have telecom services and is shopping out the contract to a private services company. An analogy would be roads: the government wants the public to have roads, so they hire a private contractor to build and maintain them according to spec. This is a perfectly acceptable way of doing things; it is quite common; and it is very much like what you are suggesting. Frankly, the reason why the government chose to auction the public airwaves instead of hiring contractors, I honestly don't know. America does things a bit differently. In most other developed nations, telecoms are either contracted as described above just like other utilities, or they are state-owned just like other utilities. You can visit Sweden or Korea or Japan or France and decide for yourself whether public utilities and telecoms are superior to the private ones we have in the US.

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    7. Re:Suggestion of a new way of auctioning spectrum by Orestesx · · Score: 1

      I agree that the lowest bidder cannot be trusted, which is why you have to make a value judgment. I don't see what's wrong with having some sort knowledge before hand of what service the company plans on offering and at what price. Maybe you also factor in the amount of money they're willing to pay.

      The original poster's main point was that by awarding to the highest bidder, you are pretty much ensuring that the service will be as expensive as possible and all you get in return is extra money in the federal budget which they will probably waste anyway. I don't see what is wrong about knowing more up front about what the companies are proposing. I think it is nearly as foolish to give the spectrum to the company willing to pay the most as it is to give it to the company proposing the lowest pricing structure.

      I don't know what will happen with the spectrum. Maybe it will drive down broadband prices, but my guess it will simply be a faster cell phone data network that is not an adequate replacement for cable or dsl to the home, at a price that will make it a luxury that most people could not justify. If we didn't simply give it to the highest bidder, we could have heard what Google was proposing and perhaps pressured our representatives to award it to Google at the price they were willing to pay, instead of forking it over to AT&T for in exchange for the giant sums they were willing to fork out.

    8. Re:Suggestion of a new way of auctioning spectrum by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      The obvious solution is to remove profit from the equation. As for how, well, that's the tricky part.

      I can't say "obvious" because most haven't even thought of it but I believe the best solution is to go back to homesteading the airwaves.

      Falcon